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Post by robtearle on Sept 14, 2021 12:20:58 GMT -5
It's hard to assess those dig numbers without considering where she is playing in D and the percentage of attacks she is touching... Also to be considered is who is playing back with who. I know Civita was subbing for Robinson last year, meaning she was back row while Hilley was front, in turn meaning more likely to be a three person serve receive. This year Boyer (I think) is subbing for Robinson? And then there are 'Orzol' matches and 'non Orzol' matches, when Izzy is playing across the back and, like Hilley, also not part of the serve-receive pattern(s). (There was at least one or two times vs Kentucky late in sets when UW was out of subs and the back row was Loberg, Barnes and Demps... and UK hit the serve right to Barnes! :-o )
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 14, 2021 12:23:07 GMT -5
just a quick tease...here some stats about difense and SR: Passing Stats (3pt. scale) - 2020 volleymetrics: Barnes: 2.18 on 217 attempts Civita: 2.26 on 122 attempts Kraft: 2.00 on 107 attempts Passing Stats (3pt. scale) – 2021 volleymetrics: Barnes: 2.37 on 71 attempts Civita: 2.53 on 54 attempts Boyer: 2.14 on 63 attempts Match by Match stas (on 3pt. Scale) TCU: Barnes 2.87 – Civita: 2.57 – Boyer: 2.20 Baylor: Barnes 2.19 – Civita: 2.50 – Boyer: 2.56 Dayton 1: Barnes 2.17 – Civita: 2.60 – Boyer: 2.25 Dayton 2: Barnes 2.42 – Civita: 2.20 – Boyer: 2.41 Kentucky: Barnes: 2.18 – Civita: 2.92 – Boyer: 1.55 Defense Stats – 2021 volleymetrics: Barnes: 53digs (79% on balls touched) 64% Digs converted in attacks and 18% converted into points Civita: 39digs (90% on balls touched) 80% Digs converted in attacks and 41% converted into points Boyer: 31digs (81% on balls touched) 68% Digs converted in attacks and 23% converted into points this numbers may show, partially, the difference, so far, compared to last year on less Out Of Systems plays and the incrase on middles' attacks efficiencies. when Badgers will face top 4 teams (i.e. Kentucky, Texas etc..) a match won or lost can depends on very small details and Dana is clearly the best asset to leverage on and must be put on her best conditions to score. By reading figures: Civita looks the most consistent among the 3 littles but playing as DS is out of the court for 50% of the rotations. Dominating the set you won't see this affecting the results at all but when fighting a set point by point can be very different (i.e. with Kentucky on 3rd set on 24-24 without subs left on the back court only Barnes was there and got aced) I'm really interested in Civita moving to libero, but I'm not sure that's in the cards. I think the spectacular and tenure might be valued over consistency.
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Post by robtearle on Sept 14, 2021 12:35:34 GMT -5
just a quick tease...here some stats about difense and SR: Passing Stats (3pt. scale) - 2020 volleymetrics: Barnes: 2.18 on 217 attempts Civita: 2.26 on 122 attempts Kraft: 2.00 on 107 attempts Passing Stats (3pt. scale) – 2021 volleymetrics: Barnes: 2.37 on 71 attempts Civita: 2.53 on 54 attempts Boyer: 2.14 on 63 attempts Match by Match stas (on 3pt. Scale) TCU: Barnes 2.87 – Civita: 2.57 – Boyer: 2.20 Baylor: Barnes 2.19 – Civita: 2.50 – Boyer: 2.56 Dayton 1: Barnes 2.17 – Civita: 2.60 – Boyer: 2.25 Dayton 2: Barnes 2.42 – Civita: 2.20 – Boyer: 2.41 Kentucky: Barnes: 2.18 – Civita: 2.92 – Boyer: 1.55 Defense Stats – 2021 volleymetrics: Barnes: 53digs (79% on balls touched) 64% Digs converted in attacks and 18% converted into points Civita: 39digs (90% on balls touched) 80% Digs converted in attacks and 41% converted into points Boyer: 31digs (81% on balls touched) 68% Digs converted in attacks and 23% converted into points this numbers may show, partially, the difference, so far, compared to last year on less Out Of Systems plays and the incrase on middles' attacks efficiencies. when Badgers will face top 4 teams (i.e. Kentucky, Texas etc..) a match won or lost can depends on very small details and Dana is clearly the best asset to leverage on and must be put on her best conditions to score. By reading figures: Civita looks the most consistent among the 3 littles but playing as DS is out of the court for 50% of the rotations. Dominating the set you won't see this affecting the results at all but when fighting a set point by point can be very different (i.e. with Kentucky on 3rd set on 24-24 without subs left on the back court only Barnes was there and got aced) I'm really interested in Civita moving to libero, but I'm not sure that's in the cards. I think the spectacular and tenure might be valued over consistency. Barnes was second team All-American 'last season'. And there was no libero listed as first team. That is to say, Barnes was THE top rated libero in the country last season. And you wanna replace her!?!
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 14, 2021 12:44:48 GMT -5
It's hard to assess those dig numbers without considering where she is playing in D and the percentage of attacks she is touching... (There was at least one or two times vs Kentucky late in sets when UW was out of subs and the back row was Loberg, Barnes and Demps... and UK hit the serve right to Barnes! :-o ) It's these critical scenarios late in sets where I think Orzol really helps the badgers by either being effective in the passing rotation and reducing the number of subs needed through a set. Honestly though, Loberg and Demps just have to pass better too.
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Post by badgerbill on Sept 14, 2021 12:52:27 GMT -5
I am a little less worried about recruiting for 2022 and 2023. It's Gorham's retirement and Anthouli's change-of-mind that hurt us. I am sure Sheff and Company were counting on having these two athletes on the roster and therefore hadn't really been hot-on-the-trail for other recruits, until Gorham and Anthouli were no longer going to play. It would be nice if we can get a couple other players for 2022 or 2023, whether they ar transfers or international recruits, if not, then 2024 will be a potentially lucrative year and we could be primed to sign a high-ranking class
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 14, 2021 12:54:57 GMT -5
There is an argument for Civita as libero, but my point is that there are other factors that go into that decision than simply those numbers.
Civita is also coming off her 3rd ACL. She seems pretty much healed, but they may not want to risk the extra work load.
Finally, the badgers are lucky to have both either way. I don't think this particular decision is that critical to their success.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 13:10:08 GMT -5
Barnes was second team All-American 'last season'. And there was no libero listed as first team. That is to say, Barnes was THE top rated libero in the country last season. And you wanna replace her!?! Top rated libero in the country? She wasn't even the "top rated" libero by the coaches in her own conference! Barnes is solid but as others have said, she might not even the best small in her own gym. She was not the best in the country. AA as a libero is about how far your team goes in the tournament.
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Post by robtearle on Sept 14, 2021 13:13:45 GMT -5
Barnes was second team All-American 'last season'. And there was no libero listed as first team. That is to say, Barnes was THE top rated libero in the country last season. And you wanna replace her!?! Top rated libero in the country? She wasn't even the "top rated" libero by the coaches in her own conference! Barnes is solid but as others have said, she might not even the best small in her own gym. She was not the best in the country. AA as a libero is about how far your team goes in the tournament. www.ncaa.com/news/volleyball-women/article/2021-04-21/womens-di-college-volleyball-all-americans-spring-2021-season
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 13:16:11 GMT -5
So you didn't understand my post?
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Post by robtearle on Sept 14, 2021 13:21:05 GMT -5
So you didn't understand my post? I posted the link to where you could see that what I had said regarding Barnes' ranking nationally was correct and accurate.
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 14, 2021 13:23:45 GMT -5
I'm really interested in Civita moving to libero, but I'm not sure that's in the cards. I think the spectacular and tenure might be valued over consistency. Barnes was second team All-American 'last season'. And there was no libero listed as first team. That is to say, Barnes was THE top rated libero in the country last season. And you wanna replace her!?! Yes. Barnes had a good season but she was not the top libero in the country. Curry was better. That said, if the passing and digging numbers are better and that is something that bears itself out over repetition, I'd like to see that change. Wouldn't you?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 13:35:06 GMT -5
So you didn't understand my post? I posted the link to where you could see that what I had said regarding Barnes' ranking nationally was correct and accurate. An AA isn't a national ranking. It is an award that, for liberos, is about how far your team goes in the tournament. If you think awards are rankings, Barnes wasn't DPOY (Otec) or B1G first team (Kuper) according to the B1G coaches and I'd take Civita over all three! Awards aren't a good way of ranking liberos.
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Post by robtearle on Sept 14, 2021 13:41:10 GMT -5
Well, you guys need to convince Sheffield and the AVCA, not me.
But no, I would not make that change.
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 14, 2021 13:56:02 GMT -5
Well, you guys need to convince Sheffield and the AVCA, not me. But no, I would not make that change. Trust your eyes, not the numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 14:00:51 GMT -5
Well, you guys need to convince Sheffield and the AVCA, not me. But no, I would not make that change. But you're the one who thinks the AAs are rankings... Is Lauren Matthews better than Kaitlyn Hord? Avery Skinner better than Mac May? Of course not. AA are just awards and they are subject to the same bias as any other awards. To know who the best liberos are, you'd have to watch more than just B1G volleyball.
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