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Post by eazy on Sept 25, 2021 20:33:55 GMT -5
So, somebody who knows more about serve receive patterns etc (and that won't be hard, believe me) tell me if this is somehow 'normal' or readily explainable. I'm having a quick look at the Rutgers stats with Civita at libero instead of Barnes. And the stats show that Civita had nine serve receptions (with one error) while receiving in six rotations, while Barnes had eight receptions (with one error) in only three rotations and Boyer had fourteen (with two errors) in three rotations. Wouldn't it generally be the case that the libero has more receptions than any others, if for no other reason than she's back there twice as much? Does the other team try that hard to avoid the libero, no matter who it is who's wearing the jersey? The libero gets fewer than I might expect because she's middle-back, and the other team is serving the lines? I'm trying to understand the decision to switch Barnes and Civita. They're both great, and I don't have any particular problem with the decision, I'm just curious about why, and why now? TIA It depends on the libero. Opposing teams will typically try hard to avoid the best passer on the floor. If Civita has the least amount of receptions per rotation, that would imply that Sheffield is playing the libero that teams want to serve at the least. Obviously there are other factors sometimes, but looking purely at SRA/G would approve of the lineup decision.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 25, 2021 21:05:27 GMT -5
So, somebody who knows more about serve receive patterns etc (and that won't be hard, believe me) tell me if this is somehow 'normal' or readily explainable. I'm having a quick look at the Rutgers stats with Civita at libero instead of Barnes. And the stats show that Civita had nine serve receptions (with one error) while receiving in six rotations, while Barnes had eight receptions (with one error) in only three rotations and Boyer had fourteen (with two errors) in three rotations. Wouldn't it generally be the case that the libero has more receptions than any others, if for no other reason than she's back there twice as much? Does the other team try that hard to avoid the libero, no matter who it is who's wearing the jersey? The libero gets fewer than I might expect because she's middle-back, and the other team is serving the lines? I'm trying to understand the decision to switch Barnes and Civita. They're both great, and I don't have any particular problem with the decision, I'm just curious about why, and why now? TIA It depends on the libero. Opposing teams will typically try hard to avoid the best passer on the floor. If Civita has the least amount of receptions per rotation, that would imply that Sheffield is playing the libero that teams want to serve at the least. Obviously there are other factors sometimes, but looking purely at SRA/G would approve of the lineup decision. robtearle I can't tell you how many times I'll look at stats for set/match and the 6 rotation hitter for a team has the most serve receives. If you have two specialist defenders plus an offensive player who also digs, it only makes sense to go after the latter off of the serve. For one, except in VERY special cases she's not going to be as effective with her digs/passing. Two, it helps affect her availability on some level to hit out of the back row. It can not only be effective in terms of short term scoring, it can also be a factor psychologically. Unless they're outstanding and simply thrive in their 3 back row rotations, knowing they're going to be targeted for every single serve can have an impact on their game. Oftentimes you'll see coaches start sliding the libero or DS over to help cover if this is the case, and that too can affect what the receiving team is trying to do overall on each point.
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Post by dodger on Sept 25, 2021 21:14:03 GMT -5
So, somebody who knows more about serve receive patterns etc (and that won't be hard, believe me) tell me if this is somehow 'normal' or readily explainable. I'm having a quick look at the Rutgers stats with Civita at libero instead of Barnes. And the stats show that Civita had nine serve receptions (with one error) while receiving in six rotations, while Barnes had eight receptions (with one error) in only three rotations and Boyer had fourteen (with two errors) in three rotations. Wouldn't it generally be the case that the libero has more receptions than any others, if for no other reason than she's back there twice as much? Does the other team try that hard to avoid the libero, no matter who it is who's wearing the jersey? The libero gets fewer than I might expect because she's middle-back, and the other team is serving the lines? I'm trying to understand the decision to switch Barnes and Civita. They're both great, and I don't have any particular problem with the decision, I'm just curious about why, and why now? TIA So are the OH’s for UW only playing from row? Or are the playing all 6 rotations? If they are playing 6 rotations and not being sub’d out than they are rec’ving serve as often as Lib. If being DS’d for who is the sub??
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Post by robtearle on Sept 25, 2021 21:16:58 GMT -5
It depends on the libero. Opposing teams will typically try hard to avoid the best passer on the floor. If Civita has the least amount of receptions per rotation, that would imply that Sheffield is playing the libero that teams want to serve at the least. Obviously there are other factors sometimes, but looking purely at SRA/G would approve of the lineup decision. robtearle I can't tell you how many times I'll look at stats for set/match and the 6 rotation hitter for a team has the most serve receives. If you have two specialist defenders plus an offensive player who also digs, it only makes sense to go after the latter off of the serve. For one, except in VERY special cases she's not going to be as effective with her digs/passing. Two, it helps affect her availability on some level to hit out of the back row. It can not only be effective in terms of short term scoring, it can also be a factor psychologically. Unless they're outstanding and simply thrive in their 3 back row rotations, knowing they're going to be targeted for every single serve can have an impact on their game. Oftentimes you'll see coaches start sliding the libero or DS over to help cover if this is the case, and that too can affect what the receiving team is trying to do overall on each point. "...that would imply that Sheffield is playing the libero that teams want to serve at the least..." But that's part of the question, I guess. Was that Civita tonight because it was Civita, or was it because she happened to be the one wearing the white jersey? When I get a chance tomorrow, I'll look at a couple other matches to see what the relationship to number of receptions for Burnes and Civita has to who is wearing which color jersey (though I hesitate to look at last night, it was such an anomaly in so many ways). Thanks for the responses.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Sept 27, 2021 7:15:41 GMT -5
Good morning, Sconnies. How’s everyone doing? Where do we go from here?
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Post by ndodge on Sept 27, 2021 11:37:23 GMT -5
Good morning, Sconnies. How’s everyone doing? Where do we go from here? Dev in the middle is something to ponder, for sure. Not sure if that was temporary due to unavailability of Smrek.
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Post by mnbadger on Sept 27, 2021 12:05:15 GMT -5
Generally, a rough weekend to be a Badger fan, but in terms of volleyball, what happened in Maryland happened. I don't understand the personnel decisions to start off the weekend. If they start getting Devyn reps in the middle, I'm not worried about her hitting her stride as the B1G bloodbath rolls. She may be one of the best athletes to come through this program. If that move is season-long, it seems like an open question as to who the starting oppo is. Could go in a lot of different directions. I did NOT think that we'd go the conference season undefeated, just didn't think Maryland would be a loss, but I haven't followed the terps at all. This loss felt like a pre-conference 2019 loss. They'll get things figured out. Even if they don't, I'll be cheering for them.
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 27, 2021 12:06:40 GMT -5
Good morning, Sconnies. How’s everyone doing? Where do we go from here? I'm challenged. I know I'm all over the place, but I'm in meetings, per usual, so bear with me. Regarding Friday, our backrow was not good and that has nothing to do with serving. We struggling with pin play and Robinson looking nothing like the player I've seen the past several years. What's up with Orzol's falling backward on her hits? Over-approaching? Sets misplaced? Hilley was not on her game and made some interesting decisions. Saturday was better, but not great. Passing was better but a lot more running than we need. Dana and Devyn were great. Not sure Demps belongs on the right, but short of another outside there, no one else capable. Not good that we cannot have a 4 year player step up into that position. Joslyn was puzzling this weekend. Serve was off. Passing was not great, particularly Friday. We lost the defensive battle, in large part because we made so many errors in all phases of the game, but it was more than that. We weren't digging balls to 10' line. We weren't digging diggable balls. Perhaps the stress of being challenged?
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Post by jkvolley13 on Sept 27, 2021 12:08:27 GMT -5
why was smrek missing?
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Post by greatlakesvballer on Sept 27, 2021 12:25:04 GMT -5
Good morning, Sconnies. How’s everyone doing? Where do we go from here? Perhaps the stress of being challenged? If so, my god, I hope they get over that quickly and get some clear-headed, calm leadership on the court (it's not Rettke, and it wasn't Hilley on Friday) before the Gophers show up this week. I expect Barnes to be that presence. Or we have to pray Samedy is blinded by the Field House lights, Wenaas can't hear anything and CC forgets how to serve. An ass-whuppin' in the Field House might help, however. (Or maybe a debriefing with Graham Mertz...?)
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Post by robtearle on Sept 27, 2021 12:37:42 GMT -5
Other than "it wasn't COVID", we know nothing. She was there on "the bench" Saturday, but not dressed to play. That is, even if some "emergency" arose, she wasn't going in. ------------------ Wiith regard to Devyn playing in the middle and who would play on the right, I noted this on the Rutgers match comment thread: I went back and looked at the last time Smrek was on the floor during Maryland, to she if she obviously had twisted or pulled anything, and I didn't see anything. What I did notice was that through a number of points and rotations played during the 4th and 5th sets, when Smrek and Devyn were on the floor together, they switched positions: Devyn was playing middle and Smrek was playing right. And I don't mean a criss-cross during a slide. Hilley went on an extended serving run during the 4th set and for each point, the defensive allignment was Devyn middle and Smrek right. (I did a quick spot-check of the 1st and 2nd sets and did not see that switch) So, when Smrek is available again - fingers crossed, Friday - will we see that switch "formalized"? Will we se it less formally as an occasional "surprise" for the other teams? Will it depend on the relative strengths of a particular opponent? Stay tuned...
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Post by northwoods on Sept 27, 2021 13:08:11 GMT -5
I thought I noticed Smrek limping a bit as they left the court Saturday, but who knows… if she is a bit dinged up & you still need her size/block in the lineup I’d expect her to be on the Right.
The back row issues were baffling to me, because they were operating about as well as any unit I’ve ever seen thru the first 7 matches. Just no clue why a shuffling of the L jersey and changing roles & communication that goes with it needed to be made?
Regardless, if the goal is to win this league then this weekends matches have become must win affairs & all involved better get it together quickly.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Sept 27, 2021 13:53:50 GMT -5
Good morning, Sconnies. How’s everyone doing? Where do we go from here? What's up with Orzol's falling backward on her hits? Over-approaching? Sets misplaced? Rainbowspouse has commented on several occasions that Orzoł’s landings are a hot mess. Reminds him of Haggerty her freshman year. Hoping she gets whatever it is sorted.
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Post by bucky415 on Sept 27, 2021 17:50:20 GMT -5
I am hoping Smrek is available Friday. I think the middle/right situation is the greatest concern due to lack of depth in the middle and the Badgers' strength of the offense having been from those positions basically forever. The serving and back row play had been pretty good usually and just went wonky, so I think those things will move back toward the median. I think both Robinson and Smrek have the potential to be good to very good middles, but I don't want the Badgers going with a right side they don't trust to set a lot against very good teams. The left sides, all of them, are capable of big matches against good teams, but when that doesn't happen, there is a problem.
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 27, 2021 19:05:59 GMT -5
Other than "it wasn't COVID", we know nothing. She was there on "the bench" Saturday, but not dressed to play. That is, even if some "emergency" arose, she wasn't going in. ------------------ Wiith regard to Devyn playing in the middle and who would play on the right, I noted this on the Rutgers match comment thread: I went back and looked at the last time Smrek was on the floor during Maryland, to she if she obviously had twisted or pulled anything, and I didn't see anything. What I did notice was that through a number of points and rotations played during the 4th and 5th sets, when Smrek and Devyn were on the floor together, they switched positions: Devyn was playing middle and Smrek was playing right. And I don't mean a criss-cross during a slide. Hilley went on an extended serving run during the 4th set and for each point, the defensive allignment was Devyn middle and Smrek right. (I did a quick spot-check of the 1st and 2nd sets and did not see that switch) So, when Smrek is available again - fingers crossed, Friday - will we see that switch "formalized"? Will we se it less formally as an occasional "surprise" for the other teams? Will it depend on the relative strengths of a particular opponent? Stay tuned... Why would they repeat a losing strategy?
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