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Post by donut on Apr 27, 2021 9:03:09 GMT -5
I mean Jordan Larson never hit .345 on a season And this is coming from the biggest Larson fan on this board To be fair, Larson played against better competition through the course of her season than stumler did. That doesn't explain .100 hitting percentage difference. Also, it was the Big 12 - there was a pretty big drop off after Iowa State (and maybe Kansas State) those years. Not convinced it was significantly better than today's SEC. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 27, 2021 9:15:14 GMT -5
To be fair, Larson played against better competition through the course of her season than stumler did. That doesn't explain .100 hitting percentage difference. Also, it was the Big 12 - there was a pretty big drop off after Iowa State (and maybe Kansas State) those years. Not convinced it was significantly better than today's SEC. I’m all for stumler and I think she’s as good as just about any OH2 the ncaa has seen, but I just don’t think comparing their hitting percentages is fair without taking into account other things. Stumler also had a better setter than Larson did. I’ll be interested to see how much of stumler success was attributed to lilley. Obviously stumler put up those numbers because she’s very good, but will she turn out like quade did after poulter left ? |
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Post by donut on Apr 27, 2021 9:23:58 GMT -5
That doesn't explain .100 hitting percentage difference. Also, it was the Big 12 - there was a pretty big drop off after Iowa State (and maybe Kansas State) those years. Not convinced it was significantly better than today's SEC. I’m all for stumler and I think she’s as good as just about any OH2 the ncaa has seen, but I just don’t think comparing their hitting percentages is fair without taking into account other things. Stumler also had a better setter than Larson did. I’ll be interested to see how much of stumler success was attributed to lilley. Obviously stumler put up those numbers because she’s very good, but will she turn out like quade did after poulter left ? I didn't start the comparison. Even when you take other things into account, Larson just never had the offensive year that Stumler had this year. Why is that hard for you to admit? I'm not saying Stumler is a better player. |
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Post by vbsam16 on Apr 27, 2021 9:57:58 GMT -5
That doesn't explain .100 hitting percentage difference. Also, it was the Big 12 - there was a pretty big drop off after Iowa State (and maybe Kansas State) those years. Not convinced it was significantly better than today's SEC. I’m all for stumler and I think she’s as good as just about any OH2 the ncaa has seen, but I just don’t think comparing their hitting percentages is fair without taking into account other things. Stumler also had a better setter than Larson did. I’ll be interested to see how much of stumler success was attributed to lilley. Obviously stumler put up those numbers because she’s very good, but will she turn out like quade did after poulter left ? This is what I'm most curious about for next season. Kentucky will still be very good, but Illinois is a perfect example of a setter making the team elite. I think Kentucky has a better supporting cast returning than Illinois did after Poulter's departure, so I don't expect any kind of drop off like that. Hopefully we get some nonconference play at the beginning of the fall season to get a good gauge of what this team will look like. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 27, 2021 10:04:35 GMT -5
I’m all for stumler and I think she’s as good as just about any OH2 the ncaa has seen, but I just don’t think comparing their hitting percentages is fair without taking into account other things. Stumler also had a better setter than Larson did. I’ll be interested to see how much of stumler success was attributed to lilley. Obviously stumler put up those numbers because she’s very good, but will she turn out like quade did after poulter left ? I didn't start the comparison. Even when you take other things into account, Larson just never had the offensive year that Stumler had this year. Why is that hard for you to admit? I'm not saying Stumler is a better player. No i fully admit that stumler had a better offensive season you can’t deny that with the numbers. I’m just saying the comparison has other factors that contribute and I don’t see it as just “Larson vs stumler”. Volleyball is a team sport and the people around you affect how you play as well. I’m not saying either player was better either and I’m much more of a stumler fan than I am a Larson fan. But I’m also going to be fair and point out some advantages one has over the other with the personnel around them |
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Post by donut on Apr 27, 2021 10:06:58 GMT -5
I didn't start the comparison. Even when you take other things into account, Larson just never had the offensive year that Stumler had this year. Why is that hard for you to admit? I'm not saying Stumler is a better player. No i fully admit that stumler had a better offensive season you can’t deny that with the numbers. I’m just saying the comparison has other factors that contribute and I don’t see it as just “Larson vs stumler”. Volleyball is a team sport and the people around you affect how you play as well. I’m not saying either player was better either and I’m much more of a stumler fan than I am a Larson fan. But I’m also going to be fair and point out some advantages one has over the other with the personnel around them lol ok I never did any of that but go off sis. |
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Post by donut on Apr 27, 2021 10:11:24 GMT -5
I’m all for stumler and I think she’s as good as just about any OH2 the ncaa has seen, but I just don’t think comparing their hitting percentages is fair without taking into account other things. Stumler also had a better setter than Larson did. I’ll be interested to see how much of stumler success was attributed to lilley. Obviously stumler put up those numbers because she’s very good, but will she turn out like quade did after poulter left ? This is what I'm most curious about for next season. Kentucky will still be very good, but Illinois is a perfect example of a setter making the team elite. I think Kentucky has a better supporting cast returning than Illinois did after Poulter's departure, so I don't expect any kind of drop off like that. Hopefully we get some nonconference play at the beginning of the fall season to get a good gauge of what this team will look like. There's no way it's an Illinois-level drop. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Apr 27, 2021 10:16:43 GMT -5
I’m all for stumler and I think she’s as good as just about any OH2 the ncaa has seen, but I just don’t think comparing their hitting percentages is fair without taking into account other things. Stumler also had a better setter than Larson did. I’ll be interested to see how much of stumler success was attributed to lilley. Obviously stumler put up those numbers because she’s very good, but will she turn out like quade did after poulter left ? This is what I'm most curious about for next season. Kentucky will still be very good, but Illinois is a perfect example of a setter making the team elite. I think Kentucky has a better supporting cast returning than Illinois did after Poulter's departure, so I don't expect any kind of drop off like that. Hopefully we get some nonconference play at the beginning of the fall season to get a good gauge of what this team will look like. Lilley is a reason Kentucky is elite, not THE reason. They had great passing and ball handling, balanced offensive talent, players ALL improved over their careers with great coaching. Kentucky vb is going to be a fixture as a top level team. |
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Post by vbsam16 on Apr 27, 2021 10:35:10 GMT -5
This is what I'm most curious about for next season. Kentucky will still be very good, but Illinois is a perfect example of a setter making the team elite. I think Kentucky has a better supporting cast returning than Illinois did after Poulter's departure, so I don't expect any kind of drop off like that. Hopefully we get some nonconference play at the beginning of the fall season to get a good gauge of what this team will look like. Lilley is a reason Kentucky is elite, not THE reason. They had great passing and ball handling, balanced offensive talent, players ALL improved over their careers with great coaching. Kentucky vb is going to be a fixture as a top level team. Yeah I agree. I think there will be a slight drop off, but nothing insane. Curious to see what this team's offense and tempo looks like next season. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 27, 2021 10:36:41 GMT -5
No i fully admit that stumler had a better offensive season you can’t deny that with the numbers. I’m just saying the comparison has other factors that contribute and I don’t see it as just “Larson vs stumler”. Volleyball is a team sport and the people around you affect how you play as well. I’m not saying either player was better either and I’m much more of a stumler fan than I am a Larson fan. But I’m also going to be fair and point out some advantages one has over the other with the personnel around them lol ok I never did any of that but go off sis. I’m not saying you did and it seems like your viewing this as an argument it’s confusing me. I’m stating my reasoning for what I’m saying and you’re taking it as tho I’m talking about you when I’m actually talking about me. I never claimed you said or did anything you’re just taking it that way |
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Post by donut on Apr 27, 2021 10:48:54 GMT -5
lol ok I never did any of that but go off sis. I’m not saying you did and it seems like your viewing this as an argument it’s confusing me. I’m stating my reasoning for what I’m saying and you’re taking it as tho I’m talking about you when I’m actually talking about me. I never claimed you said or did anything you’re just taking it that way  |
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Post by madonna on Apr 27, 2021 11:11:45 GMT -5
Congrats to the Kentucky Wildcats. Now it once again gives me hope that any school can accomplish what the Kentucky Wildcats did by winning the N.C.. Other than a pro-Kentucky fan, who would have thought that the newest school to win the N.C. was going to be Kentucky? Thanks...I guess? Not really sure how Kentucky winning the NC makes you believe that anyone can win a national championship. Lilley is a generational type player and the Skinner sisters are absolute studs. Kentucky had weapons at every position and this was the year after losing their highest ranked recruit up until 2017. You make it seem like Kentucky won with a group of walk ons/underrated recruits lol My reasoning is, before Kentucky won it this year, you could count how many schools won the NCAA women's VB title on two hands. And after Washington won it in 2005, it's just been basically Nebraska, Stanford and Penn St, with Texas playing several times for the title and winning it once within that span. Even if Kentucky had all the weapons they needed to win this particular year, I'm sure that type of lightning in a bottle could happen for other schools that have yet to win the title, too. So if you feel that I am saying Kentucky is "a group of walk ons/underrated recruits", then you're wrong. I highly doubt that a team consisted only of "walk ons/underrated recruits" could win the N.C. title. |
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Post by stanfordvb on Apr 27, 2021 11:20:26 GMT -5
Thanks...I guess? Not really sure how Kentucky winning the NC makes you believe that anyone can win a national championship. Lilley is a generational type player and the Skinner sisters are absolute studs. Kentucky had weapons at every position and this was the year after losing their highest ranked recruit up until 2017. You make it seem like Kentucky won with a group of walk ons/underrated recruits lol My reasoning is, before Kentucky won it this year, you could count how many schools won the NCAA women's VB title on two hands. And after Washington won it in 2005, it's just been basically Nebraska, Stanford and Penn St, with Texas playing several times for the title and winning it once within that span. Even if Kentucky had all the weapons they needed to win this particular year, I'm sure that type of lightning in a bottle could happen for other schools that have yet to win the title, too. So if you feel that I am saying Kentucky is "a group of walk ons/underrated recruits", then you're wrong. I highly doubt that a team consisted only of "walk ons/underrated recruits" could win the N.C. title. Wasn’t stumler underrated tho ? I’m from her hometown and saw her a lot in club in high school. She was practically non existent in her 18s club AAU championship match. Like maybe 2 kills. And then 5 months later she’s sec freshman of the year and sent the previous sec freshman of the year (skinner) to the bench. I was completely shocked. Anyone know what # recruit stumler was coming out of hs ? |
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Post by vbkahuna on Apr 27, 2021 11:32:40 GMT -5
My advice to Kentucky fans: Just enjoy your moment in the sun. You earned it. Enjoy it. But stop losing sleep and endless squabbles about whether this means it's the start of a dynasty. Yes, you've still got the major pieces of an excellent team going forward. But you're going to find out that you're really going to miss the pieces you're losing, and how much the remaining pieces don't quite have that same magic you just saw in the NC.
Lilley was indeed the magic-maker. Her athleticism, ball-delivery, decision-making, and leadership essentially choreographed the entire team into a high-speed power ballet. They drew on her energy and amped up their own. You'll find out soon enough how significant that was. Ask those who experienced Poulter, SSS, and Carlini, and who saw the before-and-after effects.
As I said, enjoy, savor the moment.
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Post by donut on Apr 27, 2021 11:58:40 GMT -5
My advice to Kentucky fans: Just enjoy your moment in the sun. You earned it. Enjoy it. But stop losing sleep and endless squabbles about whether this means it's the start of a dynasty. Yes, you've still got the major pieces of an excellent team going forward. But you're going to find out that you're really going to miss the pieces you're losing, and how much the remaining pieces don't quite have that same magic you just saw in the NC. Lilley was indeed the magic-maker. Her athleticism, ball-delivery, decision-making, and leadership essentially choreographed the entire team into a high-speed power ballet. They drew on her energy and amped up their own. You'll find out soon enough how significant that was. Ask those who experienced Poulter, SSS, and Carlini, and who saw the before-and-after effects. As I said, enjoy, savor the moment. lol "savor the moment" but here's a list of reasons why it won't happen again to you Savoring the moment means getting excited about what this means for the program. Look at all of the player interviews after the game -- almost all of them said "UK will win another one" or "this is huge for the UK program." If you don't like it, go back to the Hawaii thread. But only bitter trolls would suggest that "savoring the moment" doesn't mean getting excited for the future, especially given how rare it is for a new program to win the Championship. |
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