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Post by huskersrule95 on Apr 28, 2021 23:23:42 GMT -5
Russ making me work for that bag tonight. OP updated.  You are no Salima At least not yet |
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Post by vbcoltrane on Apr 28, 2021 23:33:14 GMT -5
oh.... I guess we'll just be rivals of programs that can win natty's... what's good donut  Big XII was and still is the correct conference for Nebraska. Simple as that.
If I had the power to undo Jim Delaney's folly, I'd do it in a second.
If you're referring to Texas, then my hat's off to you and them. Solid academic school, actually would qualify for the Big Ten academically, and actually has a football team that might accomplish something meaningful *ever again*. Would welcome them, but I think they'd prefer to be independent in football, frankly.
If you're referring to Kentucky ... a state that mostly cares about looking the other way when college men's basketball coaches cheat their faces off to win games, and race horses, well then I'm not sure what to tell you. Also a school not good enough academically to qualify for the Big Ten.
Assuming Rutgers and Maryland had to happen, I always thought the best candidates for 14th member (or 12th if it predated Rutgers and Maryland) were:
1. Notre Dame - of course. Academics, geography, rivalries, huge national attention/pull. But that was probably never gonna happen.
2. Mizzou - this almost made too much sense to me, but they couldn't say no to the SEC without even an offer on the table from the B1G
3. Pitt - I never heard Pitt mentioned much. Excellent school, geography, a great local rival/travel partner with Penn St. But, the downfall was that it doesn't open a new media market as it overlaps with PSU. Plus, PSU probably wouldn't have wanted it.
3. Iowa State - See Pitt. ISU adds zilch media-wise and I've heard Iowa didn't want it, but that's just hearsay.
Once we had the current 14, I heard Texas and Georgia Tech if the B1G went to 16 schools - great choices as schools, but that would be the end of any pretense of a geographic conference. Obviously it's already strained with NE, Rutgers, and Maryland, but all the states where Big 10 schools are located touch at least one other B1G-school state.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Apr 28, 2021 23:35:37 GMT -5
Rollins to Penn State.... *insert "traitor" commentary* I'm a MN fan; she'll be missed. But, I'm happy for her.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Apr 28, 2021 23:39:39 GMT -5
And the Sweet 16 is the correct tournament finish for Minnesota. Ok this is such a good response I'm sorry. I laughed and I'm a MN fan. |
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Post by HappyVolley on Apr 29, 2021 0:05:37 GMT -5
Russ really wants a championship with this class...and I can't blame him. with Pritchard and Rollins? lol Keep sticking your head in the corn. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 8:23:32 GMT -5
Assuming Rutgers and Maryland had to happen, I always thought the best candidates for 14th member (or 12th if it predated Rutgers and Maryland) were: 1. Notre Dame - of course. Academics, geography, rivalries, huge national attention/pull. But that was probably never gonna happen.
2. Mizzou - this almost made too much sense to me, but they couldn't say no to the SEC without even an offer on the table from the B1G 3. Pitt - I never heard Pitt mentioned much. Excellent school, geography, a great local rival/travel partner with Penn St. But, the downfall was that it doesn't open a new media market as it overlaps with PSU. Plus, PSU probably wouldn't have wanted it. 3. Iowa State - See Pitt. ISU adds zilch media-wise and I've heard Iowa didn't want it, but that's just hearsay. Once we had the current 14, I heard Texas and Georgia Tech if the B1G went to 16 schools - great choices as schools, but that would be the end of any pretense of a geographic conference. Obviously it's already strained with NE, Rutgers, and Maryland, but all the states where Big 10 schools are located touch at least one other B1G-school state.
All four mentioned here would've been head and shoulders better fits for the Big Ten over Neb, when evaluated institutionally holistically, even back in 2010/2011. My choice would've been Pitt, but my guess is that Penn St would've threatened to leave or who knows what. Teeth gnashing similar to how you describe Iowa. Notre Dame would be a dream, but they hate the Big Ten and will never join. Mizzou badly wanted to be the 12th, and publicly said so.
But of course that was not the measure. It was entirely about football and the hope that adding Neb would: 1) bring more national interest & cachet to the Big Ten in football, 2) bring more bowl wins and hopefully national championships in the long run, and 3) (most importantly) bring more national viewership to Big Ten football telecasts, both on BTN and on the tier 1 rights holders' networks (ESPN & FOX currently).
Those three of course have mostly never happened and are taking a turn for the worse, and at this rate Neb is headed for the bottom in the West division (football). All while siphoning off their share of the media rights treasure chest each year. And of course, were immediately booted from the AAU for being a non-competitive research institution for federal funding (other than USDA, which gives approx the same to each state's Ag schools regardless). Syracuse then voluntarily exited the group, rather than receive the stout a__kick to the curb that Neb got.
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Post by stats1st on Apr 29, 2021 8:41:48 GMT -5
I already don't like the way this thread is going. There has not been enough discussion about Rutgers!  Is there enough discussion about Maryland becoming the next Rutgers? If that's the case, perhaps we should talk about the team Maryland WOULD'VE had if Aird didn't leave and he kept that famous class intact? Might be a different story altogether... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 13:54:58 GMT -5
Maryland and Minnesota's roster page stats has Pritchard at more career kills, aces, and blocks per set while Rollins has more digs and a higher hit %. Also, Pritchard was Maryland's best player while Rollins offensively has probably been a third priority behind Samedy and Hart/Landfair imo. I think most would take Pritchard over Rollins as far as we've seen. Fair enough. And I'm not arguing that Rollins is better overall. But, for her career, Pritchard is a below .200 hitter. She hit .176 in 2021, .199 in 2019, .213 in 2018, and .194 in 2017. Rollins hit .250 as a freshman in 2018, .226 as a sophmore, and .255 this season. It wasn't hard for opponents to game plan against Maryland. Pritchard was the main offensive threat and took the majority of swings. Whereas, Rollins could go off at times because of the pieces that surrounded her. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 13:58:33 GMT -5
How do scholarships work with returning seniors (due to COVID)?
Do returning (5th year) seniors count towards the 12 scholarship limit?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 14:20:22 GMT -5
How do scholarships work with returning seniors (due to COVID)? Do returning (5th year) seniors count towards the 12 scholarship limit? Returning 5th year players don't count against the scholarship limit. 5th year/grad transfers do. |
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Post by n00b on Apr 29, 2021 14:51:02 GMT -5
Assuming Rutgers and Maryland had to happen, I always thought the best candidates for 14th member (or 12th if it predated Rutgers and Maryland) were: 1. Notre Dame - of course. Academics, geography, rivalries, huge national attention/pull. But that was probably never gonna happen.
2. Mizzou - this almost made too much sense to me, but they couldn't say no to the SEC without even an offer on the table from the B1G 3. Pitt - I never heard Pitt mentioned much. Excellent school, geography, a great local rival/travel partner with Penn St. But, the downfall was that it doesn't open a new media market as it overlaps with PSU. Plus, PSU probably wouldn't have wanted it. 3. Iowa State - See Pitt. ISU adds zilch media-wise and I've heard Iowa didn't want it, but that's just hearsay. Once we had the current 14, I heard Texas and Georgia Tech if the B1G went to 16 schools - great choices as schools, but that would be the end of any pretense of a geographic conference. Obviously it's already strained with NE, Rutgers, and Maryland, but all the states where Big 10 schools are located touch at least one other B1G-school state.
All four mentioned here would've been head and shoulders better fits for the Big Ten over Neb, when evaluated institutionally holistically, even back in 2010/2011. My choice would've been Pitt, but my guess is that Penn St would've threatened to leave or who knows what. Teeth gnashing similar to how you describe Iowa. Notre Dame would be a dream, but they hate the Big Ten and will never join. Mizzou badly wanted to be the 12th, and publicly said so.
But of course that was not the measure. It was entirely about football and the hope that adding Neb would: 1) bring more national interest & cachet to the Big Ten in football, 2) bring more bowl wins and hopefully national championships in the long run, and 3) (most importantly) bring more national viewership to Big Ten football telecasts, both on BTN and on the tier 1 rights holders' networks (ESPN & FOX currently). Those three of course have mostly never happened and are taking a turn for the worse, and at this rate Neb is headed for the bottom in the West division (football). All while siphoning off their share of the media rights treasure chest each year. And of course, were immediately booted from the AAU for being a non-competitive research institution for federal funding (other than USDA, which gives approx the same to each state's Ag schools regardless). Syracuse then voluntarily exited the group, rather than receive the stout a__kick to the curb that Neb got.
Despite Nebraska being bad a football lately, they were still 9th in average attendance in 2019. Iowa State was 21st, Missouri was 29th , Pitt wasn't in the Top 30. Nebraska football still generates the most interest and viewers out of that group. The Big Ten will expand again if and only if Texas and/or Notre Dame want to join. I think spots #15 and #16 are permanently reserved for them. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2021 18:00:12 GMT -5
Despite Nebraska being bad a football lately, they were still 9th in average attendance in 2019. Iowa State was 21st, Missouri was 29th , Pitt wasn't in the Top 30. Nebraska football still generates the most interest and viewers out of that group. The Big Ten will expand again if and only if Texas and/or Notre Dame want to join. I think spots #15 and #16 are permanently reserved for them. Not that you were implying this ... but just to make clear: strong stadium attendance does not mean strong national causal viewership. For example, Nebraska's home attendance is not significantly better than Iowa's. But I guarantee that few people who tune into CFB games around the nation, who aren't Iowa fans/alumni, care about about them. It's a strongly "in-state" thing.
It's very quickly becoming the exact same situation in Neb.
I agree that Nebraska, on it's own, probably still generates more national casual fan interest than those three you listed. That rule probably wouldn't have worked last year when Iowa State was ranked so highly, I guess. But whatever delta Neb has had ... well that is trending down to zero, with every year that clicks off farther away from the glory days. It won't be long now when we're talking 30 years since Nebraska football mattered, in terms of the national championship contenders. Agree about ND and Texas, and I doubt that either will ever join, unless there are very radical changes. In which case "join" probably doesn't have the same meaning. |
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Post by volleyball303 on Apr 29, 2021 19:16:50 GMT -5
Look at this: S: Blossom (Senior) L1: Pritchard (Senior) L2: Rollins (Senior) M1: Gray (Senior) M2: Hord (Senior) RS: Parker (Senior) L: Hampton (Senior) Will they have to announce if they will plan to play two more seasons before the fall season starts or can they decide after the season is over? Like if one decides to stay before season will they be listed as a junior or senior? |
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Post by b1gnetwerth on Apr 29, 2021 22:47:59 GMT -5
If that's the case, perhaps we should talk about the team Maryland WOULD'VE had if Aird didn't leave and he kept that famous class intact? Might be a different story altogether... I seriously doubt it. What is Aird’s accumulative record in Big Ten play? Also the fact some of those players were half way out the door before he left. |
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Post by vbcoltrane on Apr 30, 2021 1:29:58 GMT -5
All four mentioned here would've been head and shoulders better fits for the Big Ten over Neb, when evaluated institutionally holistically, even back in 2010/2011. My choice would've been Pitt, but my guess is that Penn St would've threatened to leave or who knows what. Teeth gnashing similar to how you describe Iowa. Notre Dame would be a dream, but they hate the Big Ten and will never join. Mizzou badly wanted to be the 12th, and publicly said so.
But of course that was not the measure. It was entirely about football and the hope that adding Neb would: 1) bring more national interest & cachet to the Big Ten in football, 2) bring more bowl wins and hopefully national championships in the long run, and 3) (most importantly) bring more national viewership to Big Ten football telecasts, both on BTN and on the tier 1 rights holders' networks (ESPN & FOX currently). Those three of course have mostly never happened and are taking a turn for the worse, and at this rate Neb is headed for the bottom in the West division (football). All while siphoning off their share of the media rights treasure chest each year. And of course, were immediately booted from the AAU for being a non-competitive research institution for federal funding (other than USDA, which gives approx the same to each state's Ag schools regardless). Syracuse then voluntarily exited the group, rather than receive the stout a__kick to the curb that Neb got.
Despite Nebraska being bad a football lately, they were still 9th in average attendance in 2019. Iowa State was 21st, Missouri was 29th , Pitt wasn't in the Top 30. Nebraska football still generates the most interest and viewers out of that group. The Big Ten will expand again if and only if Texas and/or Notre Dame want to join. I think spots #15 and #16 are permanently reserved for them. Right. I would have preferred other schools, but I get Nebraska. It's not necessarily about being a great or good football program (though that would be a plus), but about the media market and the fact that NE gets viewers. It's the only big-time college team in the state, plus there's no pro team. People watch even when they're not great (though an extended period of being not great may negatively effect that a little).
My understanding is that the B1G would not have invited non-AAU Nebraska. It's a big deal to the conference whether anyone agrees with it or not. But, there's not much you can do when a brand new member gets booted because of a reconsideration of whether to include the med school (not located in Lincoln) and its research dollars, and maybe some other things relating to how the AAU determines if schools are eligible.
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