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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 11:29:55 GMT -5
It’s really not. Why are we making things about color again? lots of programs are pushing diversity initiatives (better late than never) as well as mentorship and career path programs at the coach level for underrepresented individuals. It’s relevant and important. No it’s not. Talking about race all the time divides people more. It doesn’t bring people together. This should be about volleyball. Stop incorporating race into everything. |
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Post by vbjustice on May 15, 2021 11:32:44 GMT -5
lots of programs are pushing diversity initiatives (better late than never) as well as mentorship and career path programs at the coach level for underrepresented individuals. It’s relevant and important. No it’s not. Talking about race all the time divides people more. It doesn’t bring people together. This should be about volleyball. Stop incorporating race into everything. makes you uncomfortable huh? Oh well |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 11:34:01 GMT -5
No it’s not. Talking about race all the time divides people more. It doesn’t bring people together. This should be about volleyball. Stop incorporating race into everything. makes you uncomfortable huh? Oh well No it just starts arguments that are unnecessary. If you want to talk about social justice stuff do it off thread |
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Post by vbjustice on May 15, 2021 11:41:24 GMT -5
makes you uncomfortable huh? Oh well No it just starts arguments that are unnecessary. If you want to talk about social justice stuff do it off thread there is always unnecessary arguments on here about volleyball. The relevance here is volleyball talent. We shouldn’t have to argue about it. |
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Post by vbjustice on May 15, 2021 11:43:05 GMT -5
No it just starts arguments that are unnecessary. If you want to talk about social justice stuff do it off thread there is always unnecessary arguments on here about volleyball. The relevance here is volleyball talent. We shouldn’t have to argue about it. talent meaning personnel , people |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 11:47:10 GMT -5
there is always unnecessary arguments on here about volleyball. The relevance here is volleyball talent. We shouldn’t have to argue about it. talent meaning personnel , people We shouldn’t have to make things about color. It’s unneccesaary. “Indiana can’t get any players of color for their program”. In my eyes that’s considered race baiting. No place here for that |
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Post by badgerbreath on May 15, 2021 11:58:50 GMT -5
lots of programs are pushing diversity initiatives (better late than never) as well as mentorship and career path programs at the coach level for underrepresented individuals. It’s relevant and important. No it’s not. Talking about race all the time divides people more. It doesn’t bring people together. This should be about volleyball. Stop incorporating race into everything. Not talking about it also divides people. Race exists. It divides people in this country. It's not going to go away. We have to figure it out Boof. Programs definitely worry about it, and for good reason. That said, what can you take from a single year's roster? Indiana has had african american athletes recently. Some pretty good ones. Aird has coached them elsewhere. Recruitment is a small numbers game subject to all sorts of vagaries. Who knows who was recruited and why kids didn't go there. Indiana has to do some better recruiting in state, but the club programs are top notch so they face a lot of competition from outside state. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 12:05:27 GMT -5
No it’s not. Talking about race all the time divides people more. It doesn’t bring people together. This should be about volleyball. Stop incorporating race into everything. Not talking about it also divides people. Race exists. It divides people in this country. It's not going to go away. We have to figure it out Boof. Programs definitely worry about it, and for good reason. That said, what can you take much from a single year's roster? Indiana has had african american athletes recently. Some pretty good ones. Aird has coached them elsewhere. Recruitment is a small numbers game subject to all sorts of vagaries. Who knows who was recruited and why kids didn't go there. Indiana has to do some better recruiting in state, but the club programs are top notch so they face a lot of competition from outside state. Depends what you believe. In any case that statement about Indiana was unnecessary. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2021 7:38:57 GMT -5
Not talking about it also divides people. Race exists. It divides people in this country. It's not going to go away. Race itself is not an actual, legitimate concept in biology. It was created as a fake way to categorize humans, by unscientifically declaring that things like skin pigment, hair type, and shapes of lips and noses could tell you if someone was a "proper" human or a "sub" human. That said, racial discrimination absolutely exists and has for many years (decades, centuries). And we have a long way to go still. Which I think is what you were really getting at. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 16, 2021 9:22:24 GMT -5
Not talking about it also divides people. Race exists. It divides people in this country. It's not going to go away. Race itself is not an actual, legitimate concept in biology. It was created as a fake way to categorize humans, by unscientifically declaring that things like skin pigment, hair type, and shapes of lips and noses could tell you if someone was a "proper" human or a "sub" human. That said, racial discrimination absolutely exists and has for many years (decades, centuries). And we have a long way to go still. Which I think is what you were really getting at. Racism is of course a social construct |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2021 9:24:32 GMT -5
Race itself is not an actual, legitimate concept in biology. It was created as a fake way to categorize humans, by unscientifically declaring that things like skin pigment, hair type, and shapes of lips and noses could tell you if someone was a "proper" human or a "sub" human. That said, racial discrimination absolutely exists and has for many years (decades, centuries). And we have a long way to go still. Which I think is what you were really getting at. Racism is of course a social construct Many people think race classification is as scientific as real biological taxonomy. |
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Post by badgerbreath on May 16, 2021 13:27:48 GMT -5
Racism is of course a social construct Many people think race classification is as scientific as real biological taxonomy. I probably should have been clearer. It exists as a social construct that has clear consequences on people's lives in the here and now. As a biologist, I know the term does have a long and confusing history in taxonomy as a rank at or below subspecies. It's a term handed down from animal and plant breeders, as I remember. We talk about races of common flicker, for example, or races of plants and plant pathogens. Its use isn't really standardized across subdisciplines and often doesn't cohere with the more objective (and currently preferred) method of categorizing spp based on genetic or phylogenetic relatedness. It's all a bit sloppy. What we know about human genetics tells us that attempts to categorize humans into races based primarily on skin color don't fit ANY of the standard uses of the term race. To classify people from Africa as a single race is crazy given there is so much more genetic diversity among humans from that continent then the total amount in humans from everywhere else. You'd need to have a lot more than one race (possibly 10!) for that continent alone if you were being objective. That's not even touching the fact that melanin expression appears highly evolvable, and that we now know interbreeding and backbreeding was rampant among ancient peoples and subspecies or spp of the genus Homo- which is why we all have neanderthal genes, including Africans. Those attempts (admittedly often by biologists) to assign race based on skin color were freighted with all manner of self-serving presumptions and stereotypes and basically constituted a way to legitimize those preexisting prejudices using the language of biology as a scientific justification. Frankly, biology and medicine are both still trying to dig out from under that history. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 6:46:04 GMT -5
Many people think race classification is as scientific as real biological taxonomy. I probably should have been clearer. It exists as a social construct that has clear consequences on people's lives in the here and now. As a biologist, I know the term does have a long and confusing history in taxonomy as a rank at or below subspecies. It's a term handed down from animal and plant breeders, as I remember. We talk about races of common flicker, for example, or races of plants and plant pathogens. Its use isn't really standardized across subdisciplines and often doesn't cohere with the more objective (and currently preferred) method of categorizing spp based on genetic or phylogenetic relatedness. It's all a bit sloppy. What we know about human genetics tells us that attempts to categorize humans into races based primarily on skin color don't fit ANY of the standard uses of the term race. To classify people from Africa as a single race is crazy given there is so much more genetic diversity among humans from that continent then the total amount in humans from everywhere else. You'd need to have a lot more than one race (possibly 10!) for that continent alone if you were being objective. That's not even touching the fact that melanin expression appears highly evolvable, and that we now know interbreeding and backbreeding was rampant among ancient peoples and subspecies or spp of the genus Homo- which is why we all have neanderthal genes, including Africans. Those attempts (admittedly often by biologists) to assign race based on skin color were freighted with all manner of self-serving presumptions and stereotypes and basically constituted a way to legitimize those preexisting prejudices using the language of biology as a scientific justification. Frankly, biology and medicine are both still trying to dig out from under that history. Great post |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 8:50:33 GMT -5
Is the B1G scheduled to have a normal inter-conference period this upcoming season, and will the Fall matches start on time?
Also, will the upcoming season be subject to Covid protocols (i.e., testing, cancellations, masks, etc.)?
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 17, 2021 9:20:11 GMT -5
Is the B1G scheduled to have a normal inter-conference period this upcoming season, and will the Fall matches start on time? Also, will the upcoming season be subject to Covid protocols (i.e., testing, cancellations, masks, etc.)? I do t think anyone knows what protocols they will or won’t have. 4 months is a long time. |
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