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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 7:04:42 GMT -5
I was coming at it from the perspective of not being successful in recruiting diverse talent. Wasn't obvious at all. So you think IU has been trying to recruit players of color, but for some reason have been unsuccessful? If so, why do you speculate that is true? |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 7:05:34 GMT -5
Maybe it is a win-win-win if you are a top program. Makes it especially challenging if you are not. I'm curious, how do you classify a 'top program'? One capable of stealing Rollins and Pritchard? 😉 |
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Post by vbjustice on May 18, 2021 7:15:47 GMT -5
I was coming at it from the perspective of not being successful in recruiting diverse talent. Wasn't obvious at all. So you think IU has been trying to recruit players of color, but for some reason have been unsuccessful? If so, why do you speculate that is true? I would assume any program would want a diverse slate of great players on their roster. Shame on me if my assumptions and speculations are incorrect. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 8:18:13 GMT -5
I would assume any program would want a diverse slate of great players on their roster. There isn't a single program that doesn't want that. You have proof to the contrary? As you said yourself: nope. |
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Post by HappyVolley on May 18, 2021 9:16:56 GMT -5
Wasn't obvious at all. So you think IU has been trying to recruit players of color, but for some reason have been unsuccessful? If so, why do you speculate that is true? I would assume any program would want a diverse slate of great players on their roster. Shame on me if my assumptions and speculations are incorrect. Would you rather win with a non-diverse roster or lose with a diverse roster? Winning is the name of the game. Diversity shouldn't even be a consideration. If a team can win with a diverse roster, fine. If they can win with a non-diverse roster, that's also fine. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 18, 2021 10:27:59 GMT -5
I would assume any program would want a diverse slate of great players on their roster. Shame on me if my assumptions and speculations are incorrect. Would you rather win with a non-diverse roster or lose with a diverse roster? Winning is the name of the game. Diversity shouldn't even be a consideration. If a team can win with a diverse roster, fine. If they can win with a non-diverse roster, that's also fine. I understand your point but you aren’t winning at the highest levels without diversity. I’d also argue diversity creates a greater and fuller experience for individuals and teams, helps us understand one another, develop empathy, see the world through a different lens..... |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 10:36:08 GMT -5
Maybe it is a win-win-win if you are a top program. Makes it especially challenging if you are not. I'm curious, how do you classify a 'top program'? This a real question? If you want me to be pedantic about it, I could propose a tiered system of "top program" where you could say, generally, Power 5 is superior to non-Power 5. B1G and PAC are the top tier of Power 5, along with Texas, Kentucky and Florida and, potentially, Baylor. Within each conference you have a heirarchy as well. In the B1G, Nebraska, Penn State, Wisconsin, Minnesota are top programs at present. Iowa, Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers are not that. In the PAC, Stanford stands alone at the top. But, USC and UCLA have appeal as well. The point is, great talent flows up to the top programs. Yes, they also recruit the top talent out of high school. If you're a program from a smaller conference, or a program in the bottom half of a power conference, and you happen to get a great player, there's a good chacne you'll lose that player via transfer to a bigger program. Hell, how many people really wanted to see Jordan Thompson transfer her senior year to get into a more competitive conference? This is a very top heavy sport. The growth of popularity in transfers is a benefit to the best programs and makes building a program for lesser programs a bit harder. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on May 18, 2021 12:05:53 GMT -5
I'm curious, how do you classify a 'top program'? This is a very top heavy sport. The growth of popularity in transfers is a benefit to the best programs and makes building a program for lesser programs a bit harder. I would suggest that there might be a trickle down effect that benefits "lesser" programs. Rollins goes to Penn State causing Lauren Clark to go to FGCU, Jasmyn Martin leaves Minnesota for FSU. In these cases lower ranked teams get girls with great training and experience and help those teams become better and maybe draw other girls later on. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 18, 2021 12:28:28 GMT -5
This is a very top heavy sport. The growth of popularity in transfers is a benefit to the best programs and makes building a program for lesser programs a bit harder. I would suggest that there might be a trickle down effect that benefits "lesser" programs. Rollins goes to Penn State causing Lauren Clark to go to FGCU, Jasmyn Martin leaves Minnesota for FSU. In these cases lower ranked teams get girls with great training and experience and help those teams become better and maybe draw other girls later on. I agree I think the flow of transfers moves both ways. The majority of players leaving top programs leave for playing time and go down a tier. The overwhelming majority of players transferring can’t help the top programs. |
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Post by vbjustice on May 18, 2021 13:03:02 GMT -5
happy volley, gopher life etc feel free to message me. No matter what I say you are trying twist my sentiments. And at the end of the day, some people depending on their life experiences and values will not agree with what I questioned and/or never understand the importance of diversity. Anyway, feel free to message me if you’d like to continue the conversation.
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Post by HappyVolley on May 18, 2021 13:06:13 GMT -5
Would you rather win with a non-diverse roster or lose with a diverse roster? Winning is the name of the game. Diversity shouldn't even be a consideration. If a team can win with a diverse roster, fine. If they can win with a non-diverse roster, that's also fine. I understand your point but you aren’t winning at the highest levels without diversity. I’d also argue diversity creates a greater and fuller experience for individuals and teams, helps us understand one another, develop empathy, see the world through a different lens..... Ask Nebraska about winning without diversity. There are plenty of diverse teams that aren't very good. There are many that are at the top of the sport. The quality of players is what makes a winning team. Diversity isn't a factor. Diversity is not its own reward. It does not provide any inherent strength or weakness. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 18, 2021 13:14:01 GMT -5
I would assume any program would want a diverse slate of great players on their roster. Shame on me if my assumptions and speculations are incorrect. Would you rather win with a non-diverse roster or lose with a diverse roster? Winning is the name of the game. Diversity shouldn't even be a consideration. If a team can win with a diverse roster, fine. If they can win with a non-diverse roster, that's also fine. Lack of diversity negatively impacts your ability to attract top athletes. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 13:34:50 GMT -5
Would you rather win with a non-diverse roster or lose with a diverse roster? Winning is the name of the game. Diversity shouldn't even be a consideration. If a team can win with a diverse roster, fine. If they can win with a non-diverse roster, that's also fine. Lack of diversity negatively impacts your ability to attract top athletes. I think that is more than fair.
But also, the lack alone doesn't prove that you're not trying to fix it. (Not saying you're arguing otherwise)
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Post by andrewwmic on May 18, 2021 14:36:08 GMT -5
I understand your point but you aren’t winning at the highest levels without diversity. I’d also argue diversity creates a greater and fuller experience for individuals and teams, helps us understand one another, develop empathy, see the world through a different lens..... Ask Nebraska about winning without diversity. There are plenty of diverse teams that aren't very good. There are many that are at the top of the sport. The quality of players is what makes a winning team. Diversity isn't a factor. Diversity is not its own reward. It does not provide any inherent strength or weakness. Why are you so hellbent on this? You sound really silly trying to say diversity is not something that should be celebrated...just stop. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 14:59:09 GMT -5
Ask Nebraska about winning without diversity. There are plenty of diverse teams that aren't very good. There are many that are at the top of the sport. The quality of players is what makes a winning team. Diversity isn't a factor. Diversity is not its own reward. It does not provide any inherent strength or weakness. Why are you so hellbent on this? You sound really silly trying to say diversity is not something that should be celebrated...just stop. Nobody has every said diversity isn’t a good thing. The point is it’s irrelevant. If a team has divirsity and wins great. If they don’t and win great. This is suppose to be about volleyball. People need to quit bringing up race every 5 seconds. You do realize African Americans make up around 15 percent of total population. So it’s not realistic for them to be in every single group in country. |
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