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Post by gibbyb1 on May 18, 2021 15:01:50 GMT -5
Ask Nebraska about winning without diversity. There are plenty of diverse teams that aren't very good. There are many that are at the top of the sport. The quality of players is what makes a winning team. Diversity isn't a factor. Diversity is not its own reward. It does not provide any inherent strength or weakness. Why are you so hellbent on this? You sound really silly trying to say diversity is not something that should be celebrated...just stop. Reduction of the pool of athletes you can draw from is an inherent weakness. Period |
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 18, 2021 15:03:20 GMT -5
Why are you so hellbent on this? You sound really silly trying to say diversity is not something that should be celebrated...just stop. Nobody has every said diversity isn’t a good thing. The point is it’s irrelevant. If a team has divirsity and wins great. If they don’t and win great. This is suppose to be about volleyball. People need to quit bringing up race every 5 seconds. You do realize African Americans make up around 15 percent of total population. So it’s not realistic for them to be in every single group in country. You’re missing the point, and it’s a hard point to miss. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 15:07:00 GMT -5
Nobody has every said diversity isn’t a good thing. The point is it’s irrelevant. If a team has divirsity and wins great. If they don’t and win great. This is suppose to be about volleyball. People need to quit bringing up race every 5 seconds. You do realize African Americans make up around 15 percent of total population. So it’s not realistic for them to be in every single group in country. You’re missing the point, and it’s a hard point to miss. The fact that people want to base things on race rather then qualifications is insane. If there’s 10 positions somewhere and the 10 most qualified were white that’s who should be hired. If 10 most qualified were African American that’s who should be hired ect ect. Trying to hire people based on diversity and not qualifications is stupid in my opinion. Hire the most qualified people point blank. Race shouldn’t matter. As far as volleyball. Different programs have different cultures that attract different types of individuals. And that’s fine. People think and believe in different ways and that’s ok also. People choose programs that fit their beliefs and values best |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 15:18:09 GMT -5
I'm curious, how do you classify a 'top program'? This a real question? If you want me to be pedantic about it, I could propose a tiered system of "top program" where you could say, generally, Power 5 is superior to non-Power 5. B1G and PAC are the top tier of Power 5, along with Texas, Kentucky and Florida and, potentially, Baylor. Within each conference you have a heirarchy as well. In the B1G, Nebraska, Penn State, Wisconsin, Minnesota are top programs at present. Iowa, Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers are not that. In the PAC, Stanford stands alone at the top. But, USC and UCLA have appeal as well. The point is, great talent flows up to the top programs. Yes, they also recruit the top talent out of high school. If you're a program from a smaller conference, or a program in the bottom half of a power conference, and you happen to get a great player, there's a good chacne you'll lose that player via transfer to a bigger program. Hell, how many people really wanted to see Jordan Thompson transfer her senior year to get into a more competitive conference? This is a very top heavy sport. The growth of popularity in transfers is a benefit to the best programs and makes building a program for lesser programs a bit harder. Pedantic? Why so defensive? I simply asked what "in your mind" constituted a "top program"? What I really wanted to know is how many programs you were considering? Top 10, top 25, top 50, top 100? Where is the cutoff? I'm also curious to find out how you reconcile what's been happening (ie, before the portal's existence) to what's happened since the portal was introduced? Student transfers have been a thing for a long, long time. Jordan Thompson is a bad example, because she was never going to leave Cinci. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 15:18:59 GMT -5
This is a very top heavy sport. The growth of popularity in transfers is a benefit to the best programs and makes building a program for lesser programs a bit harder. I would suggest that there might be a trickle down effect that benefits "lesser" programs. Rollins goes to Penn State causing Lauren Clark to go to FGCU, Jasmyn Martin leaves Minnesota for FSU. In these cases lower ranked teams get girls with great training and experience and help those teams become better and maybe draw other girls later on. Thank you. This is part of my point. |
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Post by badgerbreath on May 18, 2021 15:24:27 GMT -5
This a real question? If you want me to be pedantic about it, I could propose a tiered system of "top program" where you could say, generally, Power 5 is superior to non-Power 5. B1G and PAC are the top tier of Power 5, along with Texas, Kentucky and Florida and, potentially, Baylor. Within each conference you have a heirarchy as well. In the B1G, Nebraska, Penn State, Wisconsin, Minnesota are top programs at present. Iowa, Indiana, Maryland, Rutgers are not that. In the PAC, Stanford stands alone at the top. But, USC and UCLA have appeal as well. The point is, great talent flows up to the top programs. Yes, they also recruit the top talent out of high school. If you're a program from a smaller conference, or a program in the bottom half of a power conference, and you happen to get a great player, there's a good chacne you'll lose that player via transfer to a bigger program. Hell, how many people really wanted to see Jordan Thompson transfer her senior year to get into a more competitive conference? This is a very top heavy sport. The growth of popularity in transfers is a benefit to the best programs and makes building a program for lesser programs a bit harder. Pedantic? Why so defensive? You made a post and I simply asked what "in your mind" constituted a "top program"? What I really wanted to know is how many programs you were considering? Top 10, top 25, top 50, top 100?? I'm also curious to find out how you reconcile what's been happening (ie, before the portal's existence) to what's happened since the portal was introduced? Student transfers have been a thing for a long, long time. Jordan Thompson is a bad example, because she was never going to leave Cinci. The real answer to this is "can you name a program that isn't a top program?" There are programs that regularly compete for championships in their conferences or nationally, and those that don't typically. What people are worried about is sorting of talent along preexisting divisions based on learned experience at the NCAA level. It's a legitimate concern, although clearly many transfers occur for personal reasons as well. |
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Post by HappyVolley on May 18, 2021 16:06:04 GMT -5
Ask Nebraska about winning without diversity. There are plenty of diverse teams that aren't very good. There are many that are at the top of the sport. The quality of players is what makes a winning team. Diversity isn't a factor. Diversity is not its own reward. It does not provide any inherent strength or weakness. Why are you so hellbent on this? You sound really silly trying to say diversity is not something that should be celebrated...just stop. Why would it be celebrated? |
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Post by HappyVolley on May 18, 2021 16:09:28 GMT -5
Would you rather win with a non-diverse roster or lose with a diverse roster? Winning is the name of the game. Diversity shouldn't even be a consideration. If a team can win with a diverse roster, fine. If they can win with a non-diverse roster, that's also fine. Lack of diversity negatively impacts your ability to attract top athletes. Does it? I don't think that has been a problem for Nebraska or Stanford Volleyball. I don't think it's been a problem for any top NCAA basketball program, which have very little diversity. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 18, 2021 16:09:38 GMT -5
Why are you so hellbent on this? You sound really silly trying to say diversity is not something that should be celebrated...just stop. Why would it be celebrated? Are you suggesting diversity isn’t positive? |
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 18, 2021 16:14:52 GMT -5
Lack of diversity negatively impacts your ability to attract top athletes. Does it? I don't think that has been a problem for Nebraska or Stanford Volleyball. I don't think it's been a problem for any top NCAA basketball program, which have very little diversity. It was absolutely a problem for Nebraska who Made it a priority to address. So do you not believe it’s not way harder, to near impossible to attract black athletes to a program that doesn’t have black athletes? If you do t believe that, I find it remarkable. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 18, 2021 16:26:52 GMT -5
You’re missing the point, and it’s a hard point to miss. The fact that people want to base things on race rather then qualifications is insane. If there’s 10 positions somewhere and the 10 most qualified were white that’s who should be hired. If 10 most qualified were African American that’s who should be hired ect ect. Trying to hire people based on diversity and not qualifications is stupid in my opinion. Hire the most qualified people point blank. Race shouldn’t matter. As far as volleyball. Different programs have different cultures that attract different types of individuals. And that’s fine. People think and believe in different ways and that’s ok also. People choose programs that fit their beliefs and values best You’re again missing the point. Of course merit should be the number one priority, but If you are a program that does not have black athletes, you’re going to have a very difficult to impossible time signing a black athlete who can make you better and that’s a significant negative. Any time your pool of athletes to draw from is smaller that is a big negative . Speak to ANY collegiate coach and ask them if it’s a disadvantage. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 16:31:18 GMT -5
The fact that people want to base things on race rather then qualifications is insane. If there’s 10 positions somewhere and the 10 most qualified were white that’s who should be hired. If 10 most qualified were African American that’s who should be hired ect ect. Trying to hire people based on diversity and not qualifications is stupid in my opinion. Hire the most qualified people point blank. Race shouldn’t matter. As far as volleyball. Different programs have different cultures that attract different types of individuals. And that’s fine. People think and believe in different ways and that’s ok also. People choose programs that fit their beliefs and values best You’re again missing the point. Of course merit should be the number one priority, but If you are a program that does not have black athletes, you’re going to have a very difficult to impossible time signing a black athlete who can make you better and that’s a significant negative. Any time your pool of athletes to draw from is smaller that is a big negative . Speak to ANY collegiate coach and ask them if it’s a disadvantage. I just don’t buy it. Why does a program need to have a bunch of black athletes to attract more. If a person really likes a program and they’re no other African Americans there so they choose not to go that’s on them not the program. A program should not be looking at recruiting based on color. Furthermore a person making their decision based on how many people of their race is there is in my opinion the incorrect way to make decisions. I thought the whole point was to not see color see people. This doesn’t do that. You are still trying to make a arguement based on a race rather then a person and this way of thinking drives people further and further apart. It still puts people into groups |
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 18, 2021 16:36:24 GMT -5
You’re again missing the point. Of course merit should be the number one priority, but If you are a program that does not have black athletes, you’re going to have a very difficult to impossible time signing a black athlete who can make you better and that’s a significant negative. Any time your pool of athletes to draw from is smaller that is a big negative . Speak to ANY collegiate coach and ask them if it’s a disadvantage. I just don’t buy it. Why does a program need to have a bunch of black athletes to attract more. If a person really likes a program and they’re no other African Americans there so they choose not to go that’s on them not the program. A program should not be looking at recruiting based on color. Furthermore a person making their decision based on how many people of their race is there is in my opinion the incorrect way to make decisions. You don’t buy that a top prospect who is black would be far more reluctant to choose a school that didn’t have black players? Really? |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2021 16:37:33 GMT -5
I just don’t buy it. Why does a program need to have a bunch of black athletes to attract more. If a person really likes a program and they’re no other African Americans there so they choose not to go that’s on them not the program. A program should not be looking at recruiting based on color. Furthermore a person making their decision based on how many people of their race is there is in my opinion the incorrect way to make decisions. You don’t buy that a top prospect who is black would be far more reluctant to choose a school that didn’t have black players? Really? That’s on them. Color should not matter. Furthermore sports are only one aspect of a university. A top athlete is great if you get it but it’s a Athelete. That should still some secondary to a student and education which is what a college primary focus is suppose to be |
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 18, 2021 16:39:19 GMT -5
You don’t buy that a top prospect who is black would be far more reluctant to choose a school that didn’t have black players? Really? That’s on them. Color should not matter. Wow. Just wow. |
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