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Post by mplssetter on Sept 7, 2021 13:23:10 GMT -5
Would have liked to see Samedy win something this week, but I get it, your team has to win.
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Post by huskernkc on Sept 7, 2021 13:57:12 GMT -5
Would have liked to see Samedy win something this week, but I get it, your team has to win. what’s that old John Madden quote? she may not be in a class by herself, but the class she is in doesn’t take long to call roll… watched Minnesota a couple times this year…that gal can jump and hit from every rotation |
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Post by ballvolley on Sept 7, 2021 14:07:16 GMT -5
Fire 👏🏼 Shane 👏🏼 Davis 👏🏼 NU should hire former assistant and gold medalist Erin Virtue. Let a talented woman turn this program into what it could be. Too many mediocre male coaches. It's time. Shane won National Championships. To say it's the coaching is short-sighted. Fact is, NW hasn't succeeded at ANY sport outside of country club sports. Can't imagine they will in VB no matter who takes the helm. Sorry not sorry. Respectfully, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Yes, Shane won national championships a men’s coach. And he should be consider among the great men’s coaches. He has not, however, done anything meaningful. So if it’s not the coaching, what is it? The atmosphere? The vapors? Their football program has consistently played in bowl games. I’ll give you that their basketball programs haven’t been able to consistently be competitive, but if your using the pejorative “country club” to describe the consistent successes across their women’s lacrosse, tennis, swimming, and softball programs, then you are the short-sighted one, and also come across as a bit sexist. No matter the sport, great recruiting and coaching can turn a program with no history of winning into a real competitor, and sometimes a contender. Let’s go way back to 1989. Brian Gimmallaro took a squad of under recruited, often unknown players, trained the hell out of them, then won a national championship, and then went on to become one of the best programs of the ‘90s. (I realize he lost some mojo in the end, but their rise was remarkable). Anne Kordes went to SLU and in a few years had them in the top 25 and beating Stanford at home. Had she stayed, I imagine she would have maintained a really nice program with lots of grit. Remember UOP? Under Dunning they were a force. Then he left for Stanford and the coaching just plummeted, and now it’s UOWho? Mary Wise at Florida — the year before her arrival they were a losing program. She wins the SEC in year 1 and builds an incredible program. Craig Skinner, an incredible coach, walked into a downtrodden Kentucky and the rest is history (quite literally). Dave Shondell — before him Purdue was a dismal program for many years. What he’s done is remarkable. Chuck Erbe takes over a dismal MSU program and in 2 years they are Big Ten champs and in the Final Four. So does a dominant football or basketball school help? Sure, maybe. But good coaching is good coaching regardless of all of those other factors. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 7, 2021 14:20:44 GMT -5
Shane won National Championships. To say it's the coaching is short-sighted. Fact is, NW hasn't succeeded at ANY sport outside of country club sports. Can't imagine they will in VB no matter who takes the helm. Sorry not sorry. Respectfully, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Yes, Shane won national championships a men’s coach. And he should be consider among the great men’s coaches. He has not, however, done anything meaningful. So if it’s not the coaching, what is it? The atmosphere? The vapors? Their football program has consistently played in bowl games. I’ll give you that their basketball programs haven’t been able to consistently be competitive, but if your using the pejorative “country club” to describe the consistent successes across their women’s lacrosse, tennis, swimming, and softball programs, then you are the short-sighted one, and also come across as a bit sexist. No matter the sport, great recruiting and coaching can turn a program with no history of winning into a real competitor, and sometimes a contender. Let’s go way back to 1989. Brian Gimmallaro took a squad of under recruited, often unknown players, trained the hell out of them, then won a national championship, and then went on to become one of the best programs of the ‘90s. (I realize he lost some mojo in the end, but their rise was remarkable). Anne Kordes went to SLU and in a few years had them in the top 25 and beating Stanford at home. Had she stayed, I imagine she would have maintained a really nice program with lots of grit. Remember UOP? Under Dunning they were a force. Then he left for Stanford and the coaching just plummeted, and now it’s UOWho? Mary Wise at Florida — the year before her arrival they were a losing program. She wins the SEC in year 1 and builds an incredible program. Craig Skinner, an incredible coach, walked into a downtrodden Kentucky and the rest is history (quite literally). Dave Shondell — before him Purdue was a dismal program for many years. What he’s done is remarkable. Chuck Erbe takes over a dismal MSU program and in 2 years they are Big Ten champs and in the Final Four. So does a dominant football or basketball school help? Sure, maybe. But good coaching is good coaching regardless of all of those other factors. Trying to liken NW to KY, FL or Stanford tells me exactly what I need to know. NW will never attract like Stanford because well, it isn't Stanford. FL and KY do not have any rigor to their admissions and have a lot more money at their disposal. It is not 1989. Seems you're lost back there. Dave has been at Purdue for decades and built it over time. It wasn't sudden. Can NW eventually compete? Maybe. Are they not competing because of Shane? No. Take a look at the AD for starters and what happened last year. You, sir or madam, have no clue. |
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Post by volleyaudience on Sept 7, 2021 14:47:17 GMT -5
Would have liked to see Samedy win something this week, but I get it, your team has to win. what’s that old John Madden quote? she may not be in a class by herself, but the class she is in doesn’t take long to call roll… watched Minnesota a couple times this year…that gal can jump and hit from every rotation (How old is huskernkc that he knows who John Madden was?) |
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Post by Kingsley on Sept 7, 2021 16:02:15 GMT -5
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Post by andrewwmic on Sept 7, 2021 16:10:51 GMT -5
What a mess at MSU
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Post by badgerbill on Sept 7, 2021 16:13:44 GMT -5
This sucks and could have been available...enough said!
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Post by FreeBall on Sept 7, 2021 16:15:25 GMT -5
One bright side - this potentially helps the overall RPI picture for the Big Ten. |
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Post by Kingsley on Sept 7, 2021 16:18:41 GMT -5
One bright side - this potentially helps the overall RPI picture for the Big Ten. Perhaps we should sideline them for eternity just to be safe. |
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Post by greatlakesvballer on Sept 7, 2021 17:40:40 GMT -5
No! No, no, NO! Not this again! Auggggggggggggggh!  |
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Post by slxpress on Sept 7, 2021 17:53:08 GMT -5
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Post by ballvolley on Sept 7, 2021 17:53:11 GMT -5
Respectfully, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Yes, Shane won national championships a men’s coach. And he should be consider among the great men’s coaches. He has not, however, done anything meaningful. So if it’s not the coaching, what is it? The atmosphere? The vapors? Their football program has consistently played in bowl games. I’ll give you that their basketball programs haven’t been able to consistently be competitive, but if your using the pejorative “country club” to describe the consistent successes across their women’s lacrosse, tennis, swimming, and softball programs, then you are the short-sighted one, and also come across as a bit sexist. No matter the sport, great recruiting and coaching can turn a program with no history of winning into a real competitor, and sometimes a contender. Let’s go way back to 1989. Brian Gimmallaro took a squad of under recruited, often unknown players, trained the hell out of them, then won a national championship, and then went on to become one of the best programs of the ‘90s. (I realize he lost some mojo in the end, but their rise was remarkable). Anne Kordes went to SLU and in a few years had them in the top 25 and beating Stanford at home. Had she stayed, I imagine she would have maintained a really nice program with lots of grit. Remember UOP? Under Dunning they were a force. Then he left for Stanford and the coaching just plummeted, and now it’s UOWho? Mary Wise at Florida — the year before her arrival they were a losing program. She wins the SEC in year 1 and builds an incredible program. Craig Skinner, an incredible coach, walked into a downtrodden Kentucky and the rest is history (quite literally). Dave Shondell — before him Purdue was a dismal program for many years. What he’s done is remarkable. Chuck Erbe takes over a dismal MSU program and in 2 years they are Big Ten champs and in the Final Four. So does a dominant football or basketball school help? Sure, maybe. But good coaching is good coaching regardless of all of those other factors. Trying to liken NW to KY, FL or Stanford tells me exactly what I need to know. NW will never attract like Stanford because well, it isn't Stanford. FL and KY do not have any rigor to their admissions and have a lot more money at their disposal. It is not 1989. Seems you're lost back there. Dave has been at Purdue for decades and built it over time. It wasn't sudden. Can NW eventually compete? Maybe. Are they not competing because of Shane? No. Take a look at the AD for starters and what happened last year. You, sir or madam, have no clue. Maybe read more thoroughly. My only mention of Stanford was an example of SLU beating them in the then-head coaches maybe 3rd or 4th season. Not once did I say NW should be the lure Stanford is. Stanford is in a league of its own. Next, I’m not likening NW to any program; I was giving examples of *coaches* who came into struggling programs and made major strides immediately and created a culture of winning. Shondell’s first season was 2003, and by ‘04 he had the Boilers back in the NCAAs, then crushed recruiting and established them as an annual contender starting in 2005 when they made the Sweet 16. Has he built a powerful program over 18 years? Yes. Was his impact and success pretty sudden? Yes. Both can be true, and I give him and his staff all the credit. Also, you appear to know not much about Jim Phillips, who just left NW to be the ACC Commissioner after like 13 years in Evanston, where he was the National AD of the year 3 times, built a ridiculous $270M waterfront athletic facility and put something like $150M into the main bball/vball arena, and many other major investments. Why? So coaches can compete with recruits. Jim hired Shane, I’m sure because of his success as a men’s coach, local ties, and the hopes he could make NW vball competitive. So to blame the “AD situation” on 5 poor seasons in a row (and a pretty abysmal start to this season) when it’s a top 10 academic school with (finally) amazing facilities makes you sound pretty uninformed here. |
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Post by SportyBucky on Sept 7, 2021 19:07:24 GMT -5
Trying to liken NW to KY, FL or Stanford tells me exactly what I need to know. NW will never attract like Stanford because well, it isn't Stanford. FL and KY do not have any rigor to their admissions and have a lot more money at their disposal. It is not 1989. Seems you're lost back there. Dave has been at Purdue for decades and built it over time. It wasn't sudden. Can NW eventually compete? Maybe. Are they not competing because of Shane? No. Take a look at the AD for starters and what happened last year. You, sir or madam, have no clue. Maybe read more thoroughly. My only mention of Stanford was an example of SLU beating them in the then-head coaches maybe 3rd or 4th season. Not once did I say NW should be the lure Stanford is. Stanford is in a league of its own. Next, I’m not likening NW to any program; I was giving examples of *coaches* who came into struggling programs and made major strides immediately and created a culture of winning. Shondell’s first season was 2003, and by ‘04 he had the Boilers back in the NCAAs, then crushed recruiting and established them as an annual contender starting in 2005 when they made the Sweet 16. Has he built a powerful program over 18 years? Yes. Was his impact and success pretty sudden? Yes. Both can be true, and I give him and his staff all the credit. Also, you appear to know not much about Jim Phillips, who just left NW to be the ACC Commissioner after like 13 years in Evanston, where he was the National AD of the year 3 times, built a ridiculous $270M waterfront athletic facility and put something like $150M into the main bball/vball arena, and many other major investments. Why? So coaches can compete with recruits. Jim hired Shane, I’m sure because of his success as a men’s coach, local ties, and the hopes he could make NW vball competitive. So to blame the “AD situation” on 5 poor seasons in a row (and a pretty abysmal start to this season) when it’s a top 10 academic school with (finally) amazing facilities makes you sound pretty uninformed here. You can't isolate the coach from the program. I don't have time. Enjoy your keyboard and faulty non-existent logic. |
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Post by mnvb56 on Sept 7, 2021 19:26:39 GMT -5
Do we know that the problem is with MSU? Duke and UNC are not exactly from a part of the country that is doing well with COVID at this point in time--although I acknowledge that MSU is in about the same situation. The article on the MSU website didn't give any indication of where the issue might be, so I was just wondering. |
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