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Post by Spike Town on May 8, 2021 13:22:20 GMT -5
This. SVT vs Chaz? Nah. And Joe is def way better than Thelle. Gage 2019 was better than 2021 except for his semis match where he finally was digging balls and passing great. (i didn’t notice an overpass reception vs UCSB). LBSU 2019with amazing TJ DeFalco was out of this world way better than BYU 2021 Of course the 2019 team with Joe and Stijn was better than the current team. But you're comparing senior Joe Worsley, who had 2 full seasons (plus a half season) as starter setter to sophomore Jakob Thelle, who hasn't gotten a full season as starting setter. Same goes to comparing freshman Chaz Galloway to senior Stijn van Tilburg. Thelle and Galloway have a few more years to develop their craft/skill sets yet. Maybe then there can be side by side comparisons. The point is they’re better. Another poster said this hawaii team is better than the 2019 team. Simply not true. For what it’s worth I don’t think Chazz/Jakob will ever be better than the other two but obviously different types of players as well.
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Post by babybacksets on May 8, 2021 13:24:05 GMT -5
This has been such a weird year for all the men’s teams. Not being able to play teams OOC. Especially for Hawaii, who interestingly has yet to play ANY team OOC yet this season; BYU will be their first and ONLY non-BWC team they play this year. There’s just nothing to really justify how either team will win other than based on the “eye-test” and statistically on paper. Having said that, it’s just going to come down to how teams can adjust to each other throughout the match. Agree with Hawaii’s lollipop serving. Watching Voss serve has been cringeworthy, and BYU will eat that up tomorrow. Galloway is still very young and almost a non-factor on the OH, especially when the pass isn’t there. I expect him to be going up against GGF while in the front. As others have already pointed out, the serve/pass game will be key for both teams, especially Hawaii. Even if Rado is ON, BYU just has too many weapons to overcome. They need everyone to be ON. I think the majority of starters on both teams will be nearly identical to last year’s teams, which ironically was the last match played by both teams. BYU gave Hawaii a shocking and embarrassing whooping on the first night of their series in Hawaii!! The second night, BYU was up 2-0 I believe, and Hawaii somehow (behind Rado) miraculously found a way to pull the reverse sweep. That second night is how Hawaii need a to play; everyone was ON... wait a minute, I now recall Cowell was out with an injury that night, so maybe not exactly the same starters as the last meeting. Humler was also playing... but I regress. Speaking of Humler though he was a great OOS hitter last year, and Hawaii will need another OH to help Rado hit those OOS balls on Saturday. I really hope BYU is off on Saturday lol. In general, Hawaii has just never played well against the Cougs, and if they are successful, it’s usually never via a sweep. On the contrary, BYU giving Hawaii an unexpected spanking last year in front of a shocked Stan Sheriff is nothing surprising as a Hawaii fan. But please please volleyball Gods have mercy on Hawaii on Saturday!! They rarely reach this platform, and have such an opportunity. Crossing fingers!! Don’t know if i agree with the Galloway being a non factor, although he is young. Hawaii actually has a middle presence whereas BYU not so much, BYU has one incredibly talented server who can take over a match but it’s all going to come down to passing and Hawaii just has better passers.
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Post by Spike Town on May 8, 2021 14:14:39 GMT -5
This has been such a weird year for all the men’s teams. Not being able to play teams OOC. Especially for Hawaii, who interestingly has yet to play ANY team OOC yet this season; BYU will be their first and ONLY non-BWC team they play this year. There’s just nothing to really justify how either team will win other than based on the “eye-test” and statistically on paper. Having said that, it’s just going to come down to how teams can adjust to each other throughout the match. Agree with Hawaii’s lollipop serving. Watching Voss serve has been cringeworthy, and BYU will eat that up tomorrow. Galloway is still very young and almost a non-factor on the OH, especially when the pass isn’t there. I expect him to be going up against GGF while in the front. As others have already pointed out, the serve/pass game will be key for both teams, especially Hawaii. Even if Rado is ON, BYU just has too many weapons to overcome. They need everyone to be ON. I think the majority of starters on both teams will be nearly identical to last year’s teams, which ironically was the last match played by both teams. BYU gave Hawaii a shocking and embarrassing whooping on the first night of their series in Hawaii!! The second night, BYU was up 2-0 I believe, and Hawaii somehow (behind Rado) miraculously found a way to pull the reverse sweep. That second night is how Hawaii need a to play; everyone was ON... wait a minute, I now recall Cowell was out with an injury that night, so maybe not exactly the same starters as the last meeting. Humler was also playing... but I regress. Speaking of Humler though he was a great OOS hitter last year, and Hawaii will need another OH to help Rado hit those OOS balls on Saturday. I really hope BYU is off on Saturday lol. In general, Hawaii has just never played well against the Cougs, and if they are successful, it’s usually never via a sweep. On the contrary, BYU giving Hawaii an unexpected spanking last year in front of a shocked Stan Sheriff is nothing surprising as a Hawaii fan. But please please volleyball Gods have mercy on Hawaii on Saturday!! They rarely reach this platform, and have such an opportunity. Crossing fingers!! Don’t know if i agree with the Galloway being a non factor, although he is young. Hawaii actually has a middle presence whereas BYU not so much, BYU has one incredibly talented server who can take over a match but it’s all going to come down to passing and Hawaii just has better passers. Men’s volleyball rarely comes down to just passing. Especially in a championship match. The reception of both teams is close and Hawaii doesn’t traditionally serve tough enough to expose BYU reception. Maybe Hawaii goes for it tonight though. It’ll come down to kills. BYU has the better blocking system. Hawaii will need to out kill BYU because their blocking isn’t good enough. Rado, Cowell, Gasman will need to be great and Thelle needs to set the best match of his career. The plus is Thelle was as good as he’s been against Lewis so maybe he’s starting to figure it out.
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Post by Wiz on May 8, 2021 14:25:12 GMT -5
Don’t know if i agree with the Galloway being a non factor, although he is young. Hawaii actually has a middle presence whereas BYU not so much, BYU has one incredibly talented server who can take over a match but it’s all going to come down to passing and Hawaii just has better passers. Men’s volleyball rarely comes down to passing. Especially in a championship match. The reception of both teams is close and Hawaii doesn’t traditionally serve tough enough to expose BYU reception. Maybe Hawaii goes for it tonight though. It’ll come down to kills. BYU has the better blocking system. Hawaii will need to out kill BYU because their blocking isn’t good enough. Rado, Cowell, Gasman will need to be great and Thelle needs to set the best match of his career. The plus is Thelle was as good as he’s been against Lewis so maybe he’s starting to figure it out. Hawaii's blocking isn't that good enough? Are you serious? Hawaii and BYU are the two best blocking teams remaining. It will come down to ball handling and who is better from the service line. Hawaii's middles controlled the net yesterday, and did a fantastic job.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on May 8, 2021 14:37:13 GMT -5
Reading some of these posts, one would think that Hawaii just limped into the Championship match.
As a Hawaii fan, I’m not worried about this match. Veterans on both teams but the Bows have been here before.
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Post by raian13 on May 8, 2021 14:41:52 GMT -5
There’s a reason why Gasman is a 1st AA MB.
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Post by Spike Town on May 8, 2021 14:45:22 GMT -5
Men’s volleyball rarely comes down to passing. Especially in a championship match. The reception of both teams is close and Hawaii doesn’t traditionally serve tough enough to expose BYU reception. Maybe Hawaii goes for it tonight though. It’ll come down to kills. BYU has the better blocking system. Hawaii will need to out kill BYU because their blocking isn’t good enough. Rado, Cowell, Gasman will need to be great and Thelle needs to set the best match of his career. The plus is Thelle was as good as he’s been against Lewis so maybe he’s starting to figure it out. Hawaii's blocking isn't that good enough? Are you serious? Hawaii and BYU are the two best blocking teams remaining. It will come down to ball handling and who is better from the service line. Hawaii's middles controlled the net yesterday, and did a fantastic job. “System” being key in my post. Yes Hawaii did a great job against a medium team. Watch how many times Hawaii gives up on on ones, the middles end up shuffling, reaching etc. Then come back to me. Hawaii has gifted and physical athletes and that’s “system” for them. BYU plays with more structure. Boxscore stats don’t tell the whole story.
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Post by Wiz on May 8, 2021 15:07:27 GMT -5
Hawaii's blocking isn't that good enough? Are you serious? Hawaii and BYU are the two best blocking teams remaining. It will come down to ball handling and who is better from the service line. Hawaii's middles controlled the net yesterday, and did a fantastic job. “System” being key in my post. Yes Hawaii did a great job against a medium team. Watch how many times Hawaii gives up on on ones, the middles end up shuffling, reaching etc. Then come back to me. Hawaii has gifted and physical athletes and that’s for them. BYU plays with more structure. Boxscore stats don’t tell the whole story. Many believe UCSB is way better than Lewis. I would even take Pepperdine over Lewis. But I guess that's why matches are played.
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Post by Spike Town on May 8, 2021 15:42:32 GMT -5
“System” being key in my post. Yes Hawaii did a great job against a medium team. Watch how many times Hawaii gives up on on ones, the middles end up shuffling, reaching etc. Then come back to me. Hawaii has gifted and physical athletes and that’s for them. BYU plays with more structure. Boxscore stats don’t tell the whole story. Many believe UCSB is way better than Lewis. I would even take Pepperdine over Lewis. But I guess that's why matches are played. I think Lewis was the most overrated team at the tournament. Without a legit opposite they were too easy to play against. And I’d agree, I think Pepp takes Lewis although Mitchem and Coenen would still be hard to handle. A fully healthy UCLA beats Lewis most days too.
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Post by babybacksets on May 8, 2021 17:05:11 GMT -5
Don’t know if i agree with the Galloway being a non factor, although he is young. Hawaii actually has a middle presence whereas BYU not so much, BYU has one incredibly talented server who can take over a match but it’s all going to come down to passing and Hawaii just has better passers. Men’s volleyball rarely comes down to passing. Especially in a championship match. The reception of both teams is close and Hawaii doesn’t traditionally serve tough enough to expose BYU reception. Maybe Hawaii goes for it tonight though. It’ll come down to kills. BYU has the better blocking system. Hawaii will need to out kill BYU because their blocking isn’t good enough. Rado, Cowell, Gasman will need to be great and Thelle needs to set the best match of his career. The plus is Thelle was as good as he’s been against Lewis so maybe he’s starting to figure it out. There’s no such thing as a volleyball game that doesn’t come down to passing. Even if players score at a high rate out of system, the ability to stay in system passing wise will be a big factor in what either team will be able to do offensively. Blocking efficiency has a direct correlation with the predictability of offense on the other side. BYU is already very predictable whether they pass well or not but if not, then it’s safe to say we all know which guys the ball is going to. I do agree that a lot will come down to Thelle and his gameplay, which looked great in the last match besides at the end where Gasman had to tell him to finally set him after pin to pin attacks were getting dug. However, BYU is not even remotely as good of a backrow defensive team as UCSB is so could be different. Not sure how you figure BYU’s blocking system is vastly better than Hawaiis. They’re big at the pin as usual but everyone makes iffy moves when trying to close when teams are in system majority of the time.
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Post by babybacksets on May 8, 2021 17:08:34 GMT -5
Many believe UCSB is way better than Lewis. I would even take Pepperdine over Lewis. But I guess that's why matches are played. I think Lewis was the most overrated team at the tournament. Without a legit opposite they were too easy to play against. And I’d agree, I think Pepp takes Lewis although Mitchem and Coenen would still be hard to handle. A fully healthy UCLA beats Lewis most days too. This is something i unfortunately agree with. Didn’t realize the opposite position was as subpar as it was but they still battled with BYU 3 out of the 4 sets
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Post by Spike Town on May 8, 2021 17:12:17 GMT -5
I think Lewis was the most overrated team at the tournament. Without a legit opposite they were too easy to play against. And I’d agree, I think Pepp takes Lewis although Mitchem and Coenen would still be hard to handle. A fully healthy UCLA beats Lewis most days too. This is something i unfortunately agree with. Didn’t realize the opposite position was as subpar as it was but they still battled with BYU 3 out of the 4 sets I agree. Given the 'strength' of their league Lewis should have worked harder in season to develop a better option. That match would have taken on a different complexion.
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Post by wahinefan on May 8, 2021 17:40:21 GMT -5
This is something i unfortunately agree with. Didn’t realize the opposite position was as subpar as it was but they still battled with BYU 3 out of the 4 sets I agree. Given the 'strength' of their league Lewis should have worked harder in season to develop a better option. That match would have taken on a different complexion. I am thinking, if Lewis had started that player who ended up playing Opposite from the very beginning of the match, the outcome may have been different, or at least a lot closer. That player gave Lewis some scoring from the Opposite position, when he was finally inserted into the match.
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Post by bbg95 on May 8, 2021 17:51:14 GMT -5
Men’s volleyball rarely comes down to passing. Especially in a championship match. The reception of both teams is close and Hawaii doesn’t traditionally serve tough enough to expose BYU reception. Maybe Hawaii goes for it tonight though. It’ll come down to kills. BYU has the better blocking system. Hawaii will need to out kill BYU because their blocking isn’t good enough. Rado, Cowell, Gasman will need to be great and Thelle needs to set the best match of his career. The plus is Thelle was as good as he’s been against Lewis so maybe he’s starting to figure it out. There’s no such thing as a volleyball game that doesn’t come down to passing. What? Sure there is. The better passing team doesn't always win. The quality of the setting, hitting, blocking, etc. also matters. That's like saying that there are no football games that don't come down to offensive line play. It's certainly an important factor, but it's not the be-all, end-all. Like if one team has really good passing but bad setting and no terminal hitters, they will likely lose to a team with average passing but great setting and terminal hitters.
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Post by vinnielopes on May 8, 2021 18:07:09 GMT -5
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