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Post by vbnerd on May 12, 2021 6:34:57 GMT -5
Per the Yahoo sports podcast, Eastern Washington and Wright State are also considering the transition to D3. UC Riverside considered it and opted to continue in D1.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 8:22:13 GMT -5
State schools would fare better from a competitive standpoint initially, attracting decent in-state talent. I believe both would be the only public D3 colleges in their state.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 10:38:51 GMT -5
Public schools should not be allowed to be DIII, in my opinion. That should just be for small private colleges.
There are no scholarship minimums in DII. So you can be non-scholarship in DII.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 10:52:24 GMT -5
Public schools should not be allowed to be DIII, in my opinion. That should just be for small private colleges. There are no scholarship minimums in DII. So you can be non-scholarship in DII. What? You can't be serious? Name the last public college to win the DIII National Championship?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 10:56:29 GMT -5
Public schools should not be allowed to be DIII, in my opinion. That should just be for small private colleges. There are no scholarship minimums in DII. So you can be non-scholarship in DII. What? You can't be serious? Name the last public college to win the DIII National Championship? That proves nothing.
U Wisconsin campuses should not be allowed to compete in DIII. Simple as that. I don't care if they still choose not to offer any scholarships, just force them up to DII.
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Post by BitterOldDude on May 14, 2021 10:59:05 GMT -5
Public schools should not be allowed to be DIII, in my opinion. That should just be for small private colleges. There are no scholarship minimums in DII. So you can be non-scholarship in DII. What? You can't be serious? Name the last public college to win the DIII National Championship? Dammit! I KNEW I was doing it wrong.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 11:06:14 GMT -5
That would be terrible for our sport and student athletes in general. Someone would get hurt in contact sports. You're pricing out kids that can't afford private school or don't want the debt. I understand the perceived advantage state schools have over private schools, but it's not as large or as unsurmountable as you might think.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 11:22:39 GMT -5
Someone would get hurt in contact sports. Huh? Publics in DII have limited scholarships now and do just fine. No one gets hurt. Not every DII player is on scholarship. Not being on scholarship doesn't mean you're more likely to get hurt. You're pricing out kids that can't afford private school or don't want the debt. This one even more .... huh? DIII means no scholarships. So there for sure are no scholarships. Moving them up to DII means they may continue to not offer scholarships, so exactly the same as before, or they might even offer a few eventually. How does that price anyone out of anything??
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 11:45:47 GMT -5
What? You can't be serious? Name the last public college to win the DIII National Championship? Dammit! I KNEW I was doing it wrong. All wrong
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Post by ned3vball on May 14, 2021 15:31:59 GMT -5
Public schools should not be allowed to be DIII, in my opinion. That should just be for small private colleges. There are no scholarship minimums in DII. So you can be non-scholarship in DII. What? You can't be serious? Name the last public college to win the DIII National Championship? Wisc-Whitewater in 2005. Which has always kind of surprised me. You would think a large public school, with more flexible admission standards, and I assume basically no limit to the number of kids the coach can advocate for, would mean they have an advantage over small privates. Yes, the small hi-academic privates have a small pool of players all to themselves, but the operative word there is small.
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Post by vbnerd on May 15, 2021 1:07:28 GMT -5
Public schools should not be allowed to be DIII, in my opinion. That should just be for small private colleges. In the 2019 tournament, public university teams were 3-9 in the first round and 4-12 overall. 7 of those teams were AQs from conferences that are public only and just one public was Pool C. Maine Maritime made the tournament in 2019 and of their 949 students they have about 150 female students enrolled. They are too big for you? SUNY Morrisville has 2700 students and and endowment of $2.3 million And you think they have an advantage over private schools like... The championship match teams which was Johns Hopkins with 6000+ undergrads and 23,000 students, defeating Emory University and 15,000 student Emory, each with around $7 BBBBBillion in endowment.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2021 8:31:37 GMT -5
Public schools should not be allowed to be DIII, in my opinion. That should just be for small private colleges. In the 2019 tournament, public university teams were 3-9 in the first round and 4-12 overall. 7 of those teams were AQs from conferences that are public only and just one public was Pool C. Maine Maritime made the tournament in 2019 and of their 949 students they have about 150 female students enrolled. They are too big for you? SUNY Morrisville has 2700 students and and endowment of $2.3 million And you think they have an advantage over private schools like... The championship match teams which was Johns Hopkins with 6000+ undergrads and 23,000 students, defeating Emory University and 15,000 student Emory, each with around $7 BBBBBillion in endowment.
And it isn't specific to volleyball.
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Post by yoda on May 15, 2021 10:07:04 GMT -5
In the 2019 tournament, public university teams were 3-9 in the first round and 4-12 overall. 7 of those teams were AQs from conferences that are public only and just one public was Pool C. Maine Maritime made the tournament in 2019 and of their 949 students they have about 150 female students enrolled. They are too big for you? SUNY Morrisville has 2700 students and and endowment of $2.3 million And you think they have an advantage over private schools like... The championship match teams which was Johns Hopkins with 6000+ undergrads and 23,000 students, defeating Emory University and 15,000 student Emory, each with around $7 BBBBBillion in endowment. And it isn't specific to volleyball.
Don't forget U of Minnesota-Morris in the Gopher State.
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Post by volleydadtx on May 15, 2021 11:59:32 GMT -5
Private schools are at a distinct advantage over public schools in the D3 realm. While there are no "athletic" scholarships in D3, the private schools have work-arounds for that, that the publics don't have: Rich scholarships.
While Susie may not get an athletic scholarship to play at XYZ D3 Private University, it so happens that she is getting a $20,000 "Dean's Scholarship" per year, as well as the Joe Sixpack Leadership Award for another $15,000 a year. XYZ also found the "John Doe English Major" award that is worth $5000 a year. And then if you have a bona fide church you attend, that's another $5K off.
D3 is no-man's land for public universities. They can't hang.
As a side note, this is why a lot of D3 programs - volleyball and otherwise - can eat many D1 programs for lunch. Trinity University in San Antonio has a bigger endowment - something like $2 billion - than many Big 12 schools. You don't want to schedule a volleyball match against Trinity. You might get beat. When they go recruiting, they get most of the girls they want, no problem.
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Post by n00b on May 15, 2021 12:56:20 GMT -5
Private schools are at a distinct advantage over public schools in the D3 realm. While there are no "athletic" scholarships in D3, the private schools have work-arounds for that, that the publics don't have: Rich scholarships. While Susie may not get an athletic scholarship to play at XYZ D3 Private University, it so happens that she is getting a $20,000 "Dean's Scholarship" per year, as well as the Joe Sixpack Leadership Award for another $15,000 a year. XYZ also found the "John Doe English Major" award that is worth $5000 a year. And then if you have a bona fide church you attend, that's another $5K off. D3 is no-man's land for public universities. They can't hang. As a side note, this is why a lot of D3 programs - volleyball and otherwise - can eat many D1 programs for lunch. Trinity University in San Antonio has a bigger endowment - something like $2 billion - than many Big 12 schools. You don't want to schedule a volleyball match against Trinity. You might get beat. When they go recruiting, they get most of the girls they want, no problem. Sure, but full tuition at a school like Wisconsin-Oshkosh is only $8k for in state students to begin with. So it probably depends a lot on the sport. Half of the men’s basketball national champions in the past decade are public schools. Similar numbers for football. Volleyball recruiting is geared towards wealthy families, so high academics are a much bigger benefit than the price is a deterrent.
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