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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 10:30:31 GMT -5
What did Plummer hit in Japan and what did SWP hit in Turkey? i could get the numbers... but I dont think that's a fair comparison |
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Post by Wichsen on Jun 2, 2021 10:34:04 GMT -5
jeez y'all are making it sound like it wasn't a sweep where Thailand didn't get over 20... true. As if they are paying against peak thai vets. Unfortunately this vnl is not really gauge of who is better or not. They are playing against b/c team, will take weeks to actually have connection. |
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Post by binsoy on Jun 2, 2021 10:35:24 GMT -5
Remember when Thailand could take teams like USA to five? 20/47 points coming from USA errors. Yikes. that was 2 yrs ago? Thai vets are way older now and that was thai home court. Obviously they can't do the same performance today Forever ago. They’ve been on a downward trend. Their new pin trio looks to be promising and hopefully will make them competitive again. They need a coaching (philosophy) change IMO to really push them over the top. |
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Post by fanbase on Jun 2, 2021 10:36:25 GMT -5
What did Plummer hit in Japan and what did SWP hit in Turkey? i could get the numbers... but I dont think that's a fair comparison Obviously SWP played in a much tougher league so her numbers should be a little lower, but I’m really interested to see |
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Post by volleycoachiq on Jun 2, 2021 10:49:17 GMT -5
The USA needs that OOS terminator. That is literally the only missing piece to this team. Thompson almost fills that role, but KP definitely does. SWP is a maybe. We need a bigger sample size. Hopefully we will see more of KP and SWP in this tournament. I will be disappointed if we do not. Problem is that we should have seen some KP moments against Brazil… she can light up the next two weeks but it proves nothing against C level teams. The fandom of KP is a bit undeserved at this point. She has played only two matches and did not play well against Canada...... People keep referring to her as a good OOS hitter, but she didn't do that in her match verse an easy team... Not saying to potential isn't there. But to claim KP definitely can is an overstatement. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 10:51:45 GMT -5
i could get the numbers... but I dont think that's a fair comparison Obviously SWP played in a much tougher league so her numbers should be a little lower, but I’m really interested to see SWP was at 4.8 kps, 45% terminating, .340 efficiency. Plummer was at 4.8 kps, 44%, .378 |
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Post by donut on Jun 2, 2021 10:52:24 GMT -5
As someone who doesn't watch the matches live, these VNL threads are getting hard to read.
I understand we all have our favorites, but devoting so much energy to trashing Courtney, Hancock (or anyone fighting for that 4th OH spot, if there is one, who isn't Plummer) is contributing to threads that read very negatively. Worse than most NCAA threads.
We have 3 top 10 setters in the world battling for 2 spots. We have 6 viable OH options for 4 spots. USA fans should be jubilant.
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Post by volleycoachiq on Jun 2, 2021 10:53:22 GMT -5
If Hill doesn’t play well with the other setters than KP or SWP are in. Seems silly not to take KP for the future since Larson/MBH and Robo will likely start every match… but sometimes you need someone to put the ball down on the left when the team struggles. (I hate that I keep having to do this because I actually like Plummer but) when has she demonstrated an ability to put the ball away against good competition yet? She had a good game against DR and was horrible against Canada. Wilhite literally lit up Brazil and was better against Canada and as far as being that “OOS Hammer” for the USA she couldn’t do that against a weaker Canada team when she had plenty of OOS chances.... Finally...someone without rose colored glasses re KP |
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Post by Reach on Jun 2, 2021 10:53:54 GMT -5
You’re not medaling at the olympics if you’re fourth outside isn’t different than the starters. Past USA coaches have understood this. Nnamani and Kim Willoughby were not brought to the olympics because they were stellar ball controllers. They were brought to kill the ball when needed. It maybe be wise to use a Plummer and a JT for a left side sub in the front row to get some kills than it is to have a 4th outside that’s just that’s a weaker version of Larson or MBH.. but do we have data or proof that plummer can do it better than any other pin hitters? Unfortunately we cannot see that in vnl because they are playing against weaker team. Now if you bring her with least experienced that's actually a risk when you know that any of current 4oh can step up whenever they needed. We've seen that recently. We don’t have any that’s why we need to have more matches to see but again you don’t win the Olympics with you’re 4th best outside if they’re just a lesser version of your best. |
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Post by Reach on Jun 2, 2021 10:54:57 GMT -5
What did Plummer hit in Japan and what did SWP hit in Turkey? i could get the numbers... but I dont think that's a fair comparison In what way… Japan digs a lot of balls |
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Jun 2, 2021 10:55:04 GMT -5
You’re not medaling at the olympics if you’re fourth outside isn’t different than the starters. Past USA coaches have understood this. Nnamani and Kim Willoughby were not brought to the olympics because they were stellar ball controllers. They were brought to kill the ball when needed. It maybe be wise to use a Plummer and a JT for a left side sub in the front row to get some kills than it is to have a 4th outside that’s just that’s a weaker version of Larson or MBH.. What are you even talking about? Plenty of teams have medaled at the Olympics without their 4th outside even seeing the court in the medal rounds. Name China or Serbia’s 4th outside in Rio. USA didn’t even have one. |
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Post by Reach on Jun 2, 2021 10:57:51 GMT -5
You’re not medaling at the olympics if you’re fourth outside isn’t different than the starters. Past USA coaches have understood this. Nnamani and Kim Willoughby were not brought to the olympics because they were stellar ball controllers. They were brought to kill the ball when needed. It maybe be wise to use a Plummer and a JT for a left side sub in the front row to get some kills than it is to have a 4th outside that’s just that’s a weaker version of Larson or MBH.. What are you even talking about? Plenty of teams have medaled at the Olympics without their 4th outside even seeing the court in the medal rounds. Name China or Serbia’s 4th outside in Rio. USA didn’t even have one. China medaled with their 4th outside? Serbia? Really? Did Brazil? Has the USA ever? Glass and Larson played. Nnamani and Robinson.. the 3rd outside didn’t see the court much or really change the outcome. That’s the point. |
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Post by midnightblue on Jun 2, 2021 10:58:02 GMT -5
All ya'll are crazy. Every OH (save maybe Larson) has played more professional volleyball (or the same) THIS SEASON than KP has in her entire career. She's still so new to this level and needs time. I don't understand why Karch needed to see MBH and Hill vs. Thailand but that's another story.
SWP has had a break-out year, and she was a senior at Minn when KP was a freshman. She should be further along at this level. Their passing is a wash for me. The sample size is way too small to determine anything, especially considering no one knows what's happening in the training gym in Anaheim. I still don't believe either is going to Tokyo.
I hope both get more opportunities to play in the coming weeks. Sucks this is the only tournament this year outside the Olympics. WChamps are already next year and both will be there.
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Post by Reach on Jun 2, 2021 10:58:56 GMT -5
(I hate that I keep having to do this because I actually like Plummer but) when has she demonstrated an ability to put the ball away against good competition yet? She had a good game against DR and was horrible against Canada. Wilhite literally lit up Brazil and was better against Canada and as far as being that “OOS Hammer” for the USA she couldn’t do that against a weaker Canada team when she had plenty of OOS chances.... Finally...someone without rose colored glasses re KP Lol mmmk |
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Jun 2, 2021 11:01:14 GMT -5
What are you even talking about? Plenty of teams have medaled at the Olympics without their 4th outside even seeing the court in the medal rounds. Name China or Serbia’s 4th outside in Rio. USA didn’t even have one. China medaled with their 4th outside? Serbia? Really? Did Brazil? Has the USA ever? Glass and Larson played. Nnamani and Robinson.. the 3rd outside didn’t see the court much or really change the outcome. That’s the point. I have no clue what you’re saying because your grammar is all over the place but I think we agree. The point is that it doesn’t matter who USA’s 4th outside is. This debate that people keep having is more about wanting their faves to be Olympians. |
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