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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 15, 2021 12:23:41 GMT -5
On another note, rewatching this match and have a question for all you pros. On one play, USA over passed a ball and a perfect set for Turkey (which they took advantage.) How come no one went up and tried to block? Is this not done at the pro level? Nicklin Hames setter for Nebraska goes up on every over pass and has success at blocking it. Usually in an overpass the ball was attempted to be passed to the setter but went too long (hence nobody else is close enough to block), and if the setter is in a backrow rotation she cannot block and actually has a responsibility to duck out of the way since if she touches the ball, the point is instantly lost. But if she doesn't touch the ball there's a chance the defenders can pick it up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2021 13:41:45 GMT -5
On another note, rewatching this match and have a question for all you pros. On one play, USA over passed a ball and a perfect set for Turkey (which they took advantage.) How come no one went up and tried to block? Is this not done at the pro level? Nicklin Hames setter for Nebraska goes up on every over pass and has success at blocking it. Usually in an overpass the ball was attempted to be passed to the setter but went too long (hence nobody else is close enough to block), and if the setter is in a backrow rotation she cannot block and actually has a responsibility to duck out of the way since if she touches the ball, the point is instantly lost. But if she doesn't touch the ball there's a chance the defenders can pick it up. I thought the setter can touch the ball when in the back row as long as it is below the plane of the net, specifically the top of the tape. I see lots of setters just put hands up flat in the air (palms facing the ceiling) in an attempt to get a rebound that could possibly result in keeping the play alive. Correct? |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 15, 2021 14:30:15 GMT -5
Usually in an overpass the ball was attempted to be passed to the setter but went too long (hence nobody else is close enough to block), and if the setter is in a backrow rotation she cannot block and actually has a responsibility to duck out of the way since if she touches the ball, the point is instantly lost. But if she doesn't touch the ball there's a chance the defenders can pick it up. I thought the setter can touch the ball when in the back row as long as it is below the plane of the net, specifically the top of the tape. I see lots of setters just put hands up flat in the air (palms facing the ceiling) in an attempt to get a rebound that could possibly result in keeping the play alive. Correct? Yes, that's a legal play. |
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Post by maplespear on Jun 15, 2021 16:44:25 GMT -5
Usually in an overpass the ball was attempted to be passed to the setter but went too long (hence nobody else is close enough to block), and if the setter is in a backrow rotation she cannot block and actually has a responsibility to duck out of the way since if she touches the ball, the point is instantly lost. But if she doesn't touch the ball there's a chance the defenders can pick it up. I thought the setter can touch the ball when in the back row as long as it is below the plane of the net, specifically the top of the tape. I see lots of setters just put hands up flat in the air (palms facing the ceiling) in an attempt to get a rebound that could possibly result in keeping the play alive. Correct? Yes, thank you. Just wondering why she doesn't try this. Again, when Nicklin does it for Nebraska, it's so successful. |
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Post by jay on Jun 22, 2021 12:54:31 GMT -5
I think it's time for Karch to stop tinkering and decide on his starting seven and the upcoming semi match should be the perfect time to do that. His ability to dither is well known.
The VNL Gold is there for the taking but it's now time to establish the people he wants to ride with into Tokyo.
Will it be this original group of players from the first round? Back to the double sub, and Kim Hill as serving sub as needed.
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Post by Wichsen on Jun 22, 2021 16:48:56 GMT -5
Hancock
Jt
Mbh/larson
Washington/akinradewo
Jwo
Sub:
Ogbogu
Hill - sub mbh/jl / serving sub
Krob - sub libero
Poulter
Drews
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Jun 24, 2021 19:55:30 GMT -5
rewatching the game now and just watched the part where Guidetti on time was talking to Karakurt saying "they play your tip, why are you angry? play, play again" - loved it! straight to the point, its not mean, not condescending. just why are you angry, just play?  See....this is the flip side of the emotional coaching style coin. Gio gets them all fired up and then when they start getting mad when their level of play is sub-par compared to their competition, they just look really bad. I wish he would chill out and not get them so riled up 😤. It's his method, and sometimes it works, but when it backfires, it REALLY backfires. OMG Guidetti's eye rolls and facial expressions are epic. Every close-up on camera. It's fun to watch as a spectator, not sure how I'd feel as a player. |
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 24, 2021 20:44:48 GMT -5
See....this is the flip side of the emotional coaching style coin. Gio gets them all fired up and then when they start getting mad when their level of play is sub-par compared to their competition, they just look really bad. I wish he would chill out and not get them so riled up 😤. It's his method, and sometimes it works, but when it backfires, it REALLY backfires. OMG Guidetti's eye rolls and facial expressions are epic. Every close-up on camera. It's fun to watch as a spectator, not sure how I'd feel as a player. That's his style, being animated with lots of expressive facial gestures on the sidelines. Some coaches are reserved and stoic, some are more willing to show their feelings and some hold nothing back (you should see ex-Russian NT coach Nikolay Karpol's timeouts, the "howling" bear would literally scream at his players). There isn't necessarily a right or wrong way to this, it all depends on the coach's preference and whether the team responds well to their mannerisms. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jun 24, 2021 21:16:23 GMT -5
OMG Guidetti's eye rolls and facial expressions are epic. Every close-up on camera. It's fun to watch as a spectator, not sure how I'd feel as a player. That's his style, being animated with lots of expressive facial gestures on the sidelines. Some coaches are reserved and stoic, some are more willing to show their feelings and some hold nothing back (you should see ex-Russian NT coach Nikolay Karpol's timeouts, the "howling" bear would literally scream at his players). There isn't necessarily a right or wrong way to this, it all depends on the coach's preference and whether the team responds well to their mannerisms. the demeanor of Chen Zhonghe vs Nikolai Karpol is so iconic!! |
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Post by ironhammer on Jun 24, 2021 21:33:09 GMT -5
That's his style, being animated with lots of expressive facial gestures on the sidelines. Some coaches are reserved and stoic, some are more willing to show their feelings and some hold nothing back (you should see ex-Russian NT coach Nikolay Karpol's timeouts, the "howling" bear would literally scream at his players). There isn't necessarily a right or wrong way to this, it all depends on the coach's preference and whether the team responds well to their mannerisms. the demeanor of Chen Zhonghe vs Nikolai Karpol is so iconic!! Chen has a happy-go-lucky persona during the matches (you can see that when he was coaching in Athens and Beijing), smiling and looking relax. He wants to project calmness so that his players can remain focus on the match and not panic come crunch time. But that is all an act. During regular training in the gym, he is pretty harsh and stern. Conversely, Karpol may act like the "Bobby Knight of Volleyball", howling like a bear during matches, but outside the court and gym, people who know him say he is a actually pretty chilled and friendly person. He is a sort of "father" figure to his players. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 23:12:20 GMT -5
See....this is the flip side of the emotional coaching style coin. Gio gets them all fired up and then when they start getting mad when their level of play is sub-par compared to their competition, they just look really bad. I wish he would chill out and not get them so riled up 😤. It's his method, and sometimes it works, but when it backfires, it REALLY backfires. OMG Guidetti's eye rolls and facial expressions are epic. Every close-up on camera. It's fun to watch as a spectator, not sure how I'd feel as a player. I think the players mostly love it. His Vakif teams seem to really enjoy playing for him. It was enough for one player to marry him, anyway! |
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Post by akbar on Jun 25, 2021 8:59:47 GMT -5
So I skimmed through all the pages of this thread and honestly I couldn't tell the US won nor even won 3-0. 😂
However my biggest take away was that the game was changed for the US when some player named Spider entered.
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Post by midnightblue on Jun 25, 2021 9:07:23 GMT -5
So I skimmed through all the pages of this thread and honestly I couldn't tell the US won nor even won 3-0. 😂 However my biggest take away was that the game was changed for the US when some player named Spider entered. This is the wrong match. This thread is from June 14.......... |
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Post by akbar on Jun 25, 2021 9:36:22 GMT -5
😳😳😳😳 lmao.
I haven't even been drinking yet.
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Post by eyeroll2021 on Jun 25, 2021 10:59:09 GMT -5
OMG Guidetti's eye rolls and facial expressions are epic. Every close-up on camera. It's fun to watch as a spectator, not sure how I'd feel as a player. I think the players mostly love it. His Vakif teams seem to really enjoy playing for him. It was enough for one player to marry him, anyway! . . . and that is why Guidetti will never be offered a coaching job in America. Litigation risk. Relations with a team player is just asking for a lawsuit - either from the involved player (if things go badly) or other players |
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