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Post by bumpsetsonly on Aug 4, 2021 15:39:23 GMT -5
Also, did Italy get a single challenge right in that game?
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Post by fireandwater on Aug 4, 2021 16:03:39 GMT -5
I have a minute so lets talk Turkish OH's. Turkey is going to have OH issues unless 1) the TVF steps in 2) they have a breakout athlete 90% of the problem stems from the Turkish league. The league limits their team to three foreigners in an attempt to promote turkish talent. Good, right? Well... no. Most of the international talent in the league are... you guessed it... Pins. Gabi/MBH/Haak, JT/Boskovic/Adams (next year), Kelsey/Vargas/Busa, Kingdon/Santana(Rabadzhieva/Van Ryk) and everyone else. These are the money makers and are going to play the important matches (when possible) and play all of the European matches. So this leaves the turkish players playing second fiddle... so they could play for the other teams right? well no. With having a foreigner limit of 3, if you dont have a turkish setter you pretty much have to have a turkish pin for the league games... so all of the top teams want to have options with the best turkish talent to replace the foreigners for domestic games. (Meliha/Tugba at Vakif, Hande/Saliha/Fatma at Ecza, Seyma at THY, Aydin at Gala)... so they're not getting all of the matches/exposure that they should be... really hindering their development.. We saw Derya have a breakout year... where does she end up? Vakifbank. Teams with Turkish setters have even more flexibility and potentially less playing time for the turkish OH's (Vakif could send Gabi/MBH/Haak with Cansu, Fenerbahce the same with Naz, THY did the same with Ebrar using two foreign OHs) The best thing turkey could do? Ironically is expand their foreigner limit. This would help stop top teams from hoarding all of the turkish talent to ride their benches. Guidetti has some control over this (he is the coach at Vakifbank) but he can't help players like Meliha or Hande. Their development is hindered when the club brings in players like Kelsey or JT to take playing time away from them. (more Saliha than Hande in that case) Yessss avid coming thruuuu. This is absolutely the worst thing ever in the Turkish league. Talent is noticed, goes to the big club, never gets playing time smh |
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Post by jjss on Aug 4, 2021 19:02:28 GMT -5
I have a minute so lets talk Turkish OH's. Turkey is going to have OH issues unless 1) the TVF steps in 2) they have a breakout athlete 90% of the problem stems from the Turkish league. The league limits their team to three foreigners in an attempt to promote turkish talent. Good, right? Well... no. Most of the international talent in the league are... you guessed it... Pins. Gabi/MBH/Haak, JT/Boskovic/Adams (next year), Kelsey/Vargas/Busa, Kingdon/Santana(Rabadzhieva/Van Ryk) and everyone else. These are the money makers and are going to play the important matches (when possible) and play all of the European matches. So this leaves the turkish players playing second fiddle... so they could play for the other teams right? well no. With having a foreigner limit of 3, if you dont have a turkish setter you pretty much have to have a turkish pin for the league games... so all of the top teams want to have options with the best turkish talent to replace the foreigners for domestic games. (Meliha/Tugba at Vakif, Hande/Saliha/Fatma at Ecza, Seyma at THY, Aydin at Gala)... so they're not getting all of the matches/exposure that they should be... really hindering their development.. We saw Derya have a breakout year... where does she end up? Vakifbank. Teams with Turkish setters have even more flexibility and potentially less playing time for the turkish OH's (Vakif could send Gabi/MBH/Haak with Cansu, Fenerbahce the same with Naz, THY did the same with Ebrar using two foreign OHs) The best thing turkey could do? Ironically is expand their foreigner limit. This would help stop top teams from hoarding all of the turkish talent to ride their benches. Guidetti has some control over this (he is the coach at Vakifbank) but he can't help players like Meliha or Hande. Their development is hindered when the club brings in players like Kelsey or JT to take playing time away from them. (more Saliha than Hande in that case) I think it also depends on how much power TVF have over the league/clubs. The Brazilian federation manages the Brazilian league, but many changes in the league are decided by the clubs (foreign player limit, ranking and so on). I am not sure increasing the foreigner limit is the answer. TVF could impose the foreigner limit to all matches. There will be a drop in the level of play in the league (and clubs like Vakifbank would scream), but that could help the development of Turkish players. Back in the day, there was also a rule requiring each club to hire two young players (U20) in the Brazilian league. The rule has been scraped, but a lot of players from the golden generation came through this program (Thaisa, Fabiana, Sheilla, Jaqueline...). Some Brazilian players also go to play overseas at a young age. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Aug 4, 2021 20:42:27 GMT -5
I have a minute so lets talk Turkish OH's. Turkey is going to have OH issues unless 1) the TVF steps in 2) they have a breakout athlete 90% of the problem stems from the Turkish league. The league limits their team to three foreigners in an attempt to promote turkish talent. Good, right? Well... no. Most of the international talent in the league are... you guessed it... Pins. Gabi/MBH/Haak, JT/Boskovic/Adams (next year), Kelsey/Vargas/Busa, Kingdon/Santana(Rabadzhieva/Van Ryk) and everyone else. These are the money makers and are going to play the important matches (when possible) and play all of the European matches. So this leaves the turkish players playing second fiddle... so they could play for the other teams right? well no. With having a foreigner limit of 3, if you dont have a turkish setter you pretty much have to have a turkish pin for the league games... so all of the top teams want to have options with the best turkish talent to replace the foreigners for domestic games. (Meliha/Tugba at Vakif, Hande/Saliha/Fatma at Ecza, Seyma at THY, Aydin at Gala)... so they're not getting all of the matches/exposure that they should be... really hindering their development.. We saw Derya have a breakout year... where does she end up? Vakifbank. Teams with Turkish setters have even more flexibility and potentially less playing time for the turkish OH's (Vakif could send Gabi/MBH/Haak with Cansu, Fenerbahce the same with Naz, THY did the same with Ebrar using two foreign OHs) The best thing turkey could do? Ironically is expand their foreigner limit. This would help stop top teams from hoarding all of the turkish talent to ride their benches. Guidetti has some control over this (he is the coach at Vakifbank) but he can't help players like Meliha or Hande. Their development is hindered when the club brings in players like Kelsey or JT to take playing time away from them. (more Saliha than Hande in that case) or limit to two foreigners per team, but that would bring the level of the league down. |
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Post by Reach on Aug 4, 2021 21:23:10 GMT -5
Turkey also needs more talent on the pins. Regardless of playing time... the current crop just aren't that good, physically speaking.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 21:29:25 GMT -5
Turkey also needs more talent on the pins. Regardless of playing time... the current crop just aren't that good, physically speaking. i was reading somewhere that either the TVF or youth teams were telling people in charge to stop putting all of the tall athletes into the middle but diversify them onto the pins too they need that |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 4, 2021 21:35:59 GMT -5
Turkey also needs more talent on the pins. Regardless of playing time... the current crop just aren't that good, physically speaking. i was reading somewhere that either the TVF or youth teams were telling people in charge to stop putting all of the tall athletes into the middle but diversify them onto the pins too they need that About 10 years ago, the situations were flipped and they really needed middles. They brought Busra and Bahar to the Olympics last time they qualified.... and there was a HUGE drop-off behind them. This is why the Turkish teams starting hiring foreign middles for Euro Cups only. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 21:38:19 GMT -5
i was reading somewhere that either the TVF or youth teams were telling people in charge to stop putting all of the tall athletes into the middle but diversify them onto the pins too they need that About 10 years ago, the situations were flipped and they really needed middles. They brought Busra and Bahar to the Olympics last time they qualified.... and there was a HUGE drop-off behind them. This is why the Turkish teams starting hiring foreign middles for Euro Cups only. Wasn't Eda in london? or was that pre-good Eda? |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 4, 2021 21:39:09 GMT -5
About 10 years ago, the situations were flipped and they really needed middles. They brought Busra and Bahar to the Olympics last time they qualified.... and there was a HUGE drop-off behind them. This is why the Turkish teams starting hiring foreign middles for Euro Cups only. Wasn't Eda in london? or was that pre-good Eda? Yes, she was. She was good then too. But you need two lol |
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Post by fireandwater on Aug 5, 2021 2:26:19 GMT -5
They have Kubra now but she isn’t that good compare to Zehra i guess. She didn’t get a single minute of play time in the Olympics. Just on the bench looking all sad :/
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Post by chatchu-off moksri on Aug 5, 2021 11:54:13 GMT -5
Taking the Russia men's team energy and funneling it over to Korea so they can beat Brazil and head to the finals
May the power of BTS and Blackpink assist me in my manifestation
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 11:55:17 GMT -5
Also this disrespect to Serbia in this poll is INSANE lol
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Post by Resident Bitchy Canadian Fan on Aug 5, 2021 12:07:13 GMT -5
Also this disrespect to Serbia in this poll is INSANE lol lol and to think I voted for Italy 🤡 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 12:23:47 GMT -5
I probably should’ve locked this ages ago 💀
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 12:24:31 GMT -5
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