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Post by vbnerd on Jul 27, 2021 13:11:31 GMT -5
Thought about something today... California has a travel ban on 17 states with LGBTQ policies that they don't approve of... including Texas, Oklahoma, Iowa, Alabama, etc. So as the Pac 12 looks at it's options, could UCLA and Cal even be in a conference with Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Iowa, etc? what California has a ban on state-funded travel to states that have LGBTQ policies that are deemed unsatisfactory. So far sports teams have gotten around it by saying it was planned before the policy was enacted, or in the case of NCAA tournament play, they spend all of the state money on something that it can be used for and then use private/donor money on the expenses that the state isn't able to pay for... But if the Pac 12 brought in Oklahoma State, Iowa State and Texas Tech for instance, and they had every sport making that trip each year, is it practical to play a shell game with every team at both UC schools? Would the State of California step in? Is this something the Pac 12 has to consider? Just another angle on what should be just some kids playing some games.
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Post by robtearle on Jul 27, 2021 13:21:29 GMT -5
No, I have not waded through all the pages of comments, so apologies if this has already been mentioned. But it looks more likely that at least some changes are coming. And I'm seeing more and more articles about who might be joining the Big Ten out of all of it.
So when you see such articles, keep this in mind: there is an organization called the Association of American Universities (AAU) - you can easily find a list of the member schools at Wikipedia, etc. And the Big Ten makes a BIG deal out of their schools being members. All current members are, with the exception of Nebraska, who were members when they joined B1G but lost their membership (over some odd dispute over whether their medical school was truly 'on campus', or some such.)
If a school from the Big 12 or the ACC or the AAC (I saw one article mention U of Cincinnati) or wherever is NOT a member school of the Assoc of American Universities, they are not going to get into the Big Ten. Period. Full stop. Yes, I am serious.
So when you see an article talking about this or that school jumping to the Big Ten, the first thing you should look at is that list of AAU schools. If the school mentioned isn't there, the person writing the article is just blowing smoke.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 27, 2021 13:21:30 GMT -5
Stanford and San Diego aren't public schools. They can do what they want.
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Post by stevehorn on Jul 27, 2021 13:23:17 GMT -5
Thought about something today... California has a travel ban on 17 states with LGBTQ policies that they don't approve of... including Texas, Oklahoma, Iowa, Alabama, etc. So as the Pac 12 looks at it's options, could UCLA and Cal even be in a conference with Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Iowa, etc? This was brought up elsewhere. There are workarounds, something maybe about public money not being allowed? Stanford is playing VB this year in Texas, so there is a way to get around this. Stanford is not a good example because it is a private institution and is not covered by the law.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jul 27, 2021 13:38:58 GMT -5
Thought about something today... California has a travel ban on 17 states with LGBTQ policies that they don't approve of... including Texas, Oklahoma, Iowa, Alabama, etc. So as the Pac 12 looks at it's options, could UCLA and Cal even be in a conference with Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Iowa, etc? Their athletic departments don’t use public monies. To wit: Cal football’s trip to Ole Miss in 2019, years after the state of Mississippi was added to the no-travel list. I wouldn’t see this as a significant issue in respect to expansion.
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Post by Floyd R. Turbo on Jul 27, 2021 14:11:59 GMT -5
If a school from the Big 12 or the ACC or the AAC (I saw one article mention U of Cincinnati) or wherever is NOT a member school of the Assoc of American Universities, they are not going to get into the Big Ten. Period. Full stop. Yes, I am serious. There is one exception to this. There is a certain non-AAU member school in South Bend that would be welcomed with open arms if they asked to join the B1G.
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Post by robtearle on Jul 27, 2021 14:29:13 GMT -5
If a school from the Big 12 or the ACC or the AAC (I saw one article mention U of Cincinnati) or wherever is NOT a member school of the Assoc of American Universities, they are not going to get into the Big Ten. Period. Full stop. Yes, I am serious. There is one exception to this. There is a certain non-AAU member school in South Bend that would be welcomed with open arms if they asked to join the B1G. I'll believe that when I see it.
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Jul 27, 2021 14:33:25 GMT -5
If a school from the Big 12 or the ACC or the AAC (I saw one article mention U of Cincinnati) or wherever is NOT a member school of the Assoc of American Universities, they are not going to get into the Big Ten. Period. Full stop. Yes, I am serious. There is one exception to this. There is a certain non-AAU member school in South Bend that would be welcomed with open arms if they asked to join the B1G. They have been asked for over 30 years. They will not split with that NBC football revenue...nor should they.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jul 27, 2021 14:52:59 GMT -5
There is one exception to this. There is a certain non-AAU member school in South Bend that would be welcomed with open arms if they asked to join the B1G. I'll believe that when I see it. Jim Delany spent decades trying to convince Notre Dame to join up. Research institution or not, nobody is turning down Notre Dame’s brand. Well, the PAC 12 might, because leadership of the California schools are arrogant AF.
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Post by robtearle on Jul 27, 2021 15:05:16 GMT -5
I'll believe that when I see it. Jim Delany spent decades trying to convince Notre Dame to join up. Research institution or not, nobody is turning down Notre Dame’s brand. Well, the PAC 12 might, because leadership of the California schools are arrogant AF. Yes, I am aware that that is the story that gets told. But who tells it? It is a story that makes ND look good and the B1G look bad. Other than football, ND now plays in conferences for all sorts of sports - including as an adjunct B1G member for men's hockey. So maybe it has been "something else" keeping ND out all this time...
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 27, 2021 15:08:55 GMT -5
That "something else" is their desire to remain independent.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jul 27, 2021 15:31:45 GMT -5
That "something else" is their desire to remain independent. You meant The desire to cash massive checks and not share it.
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Post by stevehorn on Jul 27, 2021 15:35:42 GMT -5
That "something else" is their desire to remain independent. That desire is also primarily football. They've joined conferences in the other sports due to greater difficulty of putting together an independent schedule in most other sports and trying to qualify for NCAA tournaments as an independent.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jul 27, 2021 15:45:35 GMT -5
Jim Delany spent decades trying to convince Notre Dame to join up. Research institution or not, nobody is turning down Notre Dame’s brand. Well, the PAC 12 might, because leadership of the California schools are arrogant AF. Yes, I am aware that that is the story that gets told. But who tells it? It is a story that makes ND look good and the B1G look bad. Other than football, ND now plays in conferences for all sorts of sports - including as an adjunct B1G member for men's hockey. So maybe it has been "something else" keeping ND out all this time... Here’s one: Notre Dame board of trustees rejects Big 10 offer in 1999. There were other offers in different years. www.nytimes.com/1999/02/06/sports/college-football-just-say-no-notre-dame-shuns-big-ten.html
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 27, 2021 16:07:48 GMT -5
That "something else" is their desire to remain independent. You meant The desire to cash massive checks and not share it. In the short and medium term, they would make significantly more money as a member of the ACC or Big 10. Assuming the media landscape continues in close to its current form, they make significantly more money in the long term, too.
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