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Post by robtearle on Jul 27, 2021 16:17:43 GMT -5
I didn't mean to start a "Notre Dame" thing. And it is pretty much "academic" anyway (pun intended); if I'm right, the Big Ten ain't offering, and if others are right, ND ain't accepting.
My comment was more to help when you read about Big 12 teams or PAC teams or ACC teams and the Big Ten; again, if they're not in the AAU, they won't be joining the Big Ten.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 27, 2021 16:40:32 GMT -5
As was noted earlier in this thread, Notre Dame won't be joining the B1G because they are contractually prohibited from joining any league but the ACC.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 27, 2021 16:56:36 GMT -5
If a school from the Big 12 or the ACC or the AAC (I saw one article mention U of Cincinnati) or wherever is NOT a member school of the Assoc of American Universities, they are not going to get into the Big Ten. Period. Full stop. Yes, I am serious. There is one exception to this. There is a certain non-AAU member school in South Bend that would be welcomed with open arms if they asked to join the B1G. Right, and the Big Ten also would have taken (and still would, if the schools change their mind about the SEC) the combination of Texas and Oklahoma despite the fact that Oklahoma is not AAU. There are certain football brands that are so big that they trump other considerations.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 27, 2021 16:58:22 GMT -5
You meant The desire to cash massive checks and not share it. In the short and medium term, they would make significantly more money as a member of the ACC or Big 10. Assuming the media landscape continues in close to its current form, they make significantly more money in the long term, too. Correct. Notre Dame has other considerations related to independence that they value more than just pure money.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 27, 2021 19:12:39 GMT -5
I didn't mean to start a "Notre Dame" thing. And it is pretty much "academic" anyway (pun intended); if I'm right, the Big Ten ain't offering, and if others are right, ND ain't accepting. My comment was more to help when you read about Big 12 teams or PAC teams or ACC teams and the Big Ten; again, if they're not in the AAU, they won't be joining the Big Ten. Well, you're not right because the Big Ten has tried multiple times to get Notre Dame to join. At any rate, Notre Dame has an agreement with the ACC that if they join a conference before 2036, it has to be with the ACC. So there's no way for the Big Ten to get them anyway right now. A very long time ago, Notre Dame did want to join the Big Ten, but they were repeatedly turned down, and that's the best thing that could have happened to their football program. Instead of being just another Big Ten school, even one at the level of Ohio State or Michigan, they became the most successful and popular team of the 20th century. Even over 30 years since their last national championship, they're arguably still the biggest football brand in the country.
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Post by Boof1224 on Jul 27, 2021 19:58:24 GMT -5
I’ve heard mutiple reports that UCLA USC Oregon and Colorado arnt happy with pac and have reached out to BIG. It’s not that much of stretch. BIG and PAC have always kinda been tied at hip. No reason to add any remaining big 12 teams. They add no value. The biggest moves would be Florida state Clemson or pac teams. Notre dame is locked till 2036
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Post by vbcoltrane on Jul 27, 2021 20:21:06 GMT -5
No, I have not waded through all the pages of comments, so apologies if this has already been mentioned. But it looks more likely that at least some changes are coming. And I'm seeing more and more articles about who might be joining the Big Ten out of all of it. So when you see such articles, keep this in mind: there is an organization called the Association of American Universities (AAU) - you can easily find a list of the member schools at Wikipedia, etc. And the Big Ten makes a BIG deal out of their schools being members. All current members are, with the exception of Nebraska, who were members when they joined B1G but lost their membership (over some odd dispute over whether their medical school was truly 'on campus', or some such.) If a school from the Big 12 or the ACC or the AAC (I saw one article mention U of Cincinnati) or wherever is NOT a member school of the Assoc of American Universities, they are not going to get into the Big Ten. Period. Full stop. Yes, I am serious. So when you see an article talking about this or that school jumping to the Big Ten, the first thing you should look at is that list of AAU schools. If the school mentioned isn't there, the person writing the article is just blowing smoke. Yeah, AAU has traditionally been a huge deal with the B1G, but I've seen it suggested that at this point they wouldn't pass on non-AAU schools that are otherwise fairly good academically and had a strong research base, even if not to usual AAU standards. AAU status isn't really a measure of academic quality, but rather of research money, focus, and resources. Notre Dame is non AAU, but obviously an incredible academic school and obviously a school the B1G would let join in a heartbeat. [Yes, I know, ND would never join, but just hypothetically.]
Also, AAU membership isn't necessarily static - schools can lose membership (like Nebraska) and gain it (though membership overall has been fairly stable). A non-AAU school like Arizona State really could be an AAU school based on current metrics.
All of this is NOT to say that the B1G won't stick to it's AAU preference - the lack of AAU status may very well continue to keep schools out. But, I agree with some of the commentary that more so that any time in it's history, the B1G might (just might) make an exception.
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Post by Boof1224 on Jul 27, 2021 20:26:47 GMT -5
No, I have not waded through all the pages of comments, so apologies if this has already been mentioned. But it looks more likely that at least some changes are coming. And I'm seeing more and more articles about who might be joining the Big Ten out of all of it. So when you see such articles, keep this in mind: there is an organization called the Association of American Universities (AAU) - you can easily find a list of the member schools at Wikipedia, etc. And the Big Ten makes a BIG deal out of their schools being members. All current members are, with the exception of Nebraska, who were members when they joined B1G but lost their membership (over some odd dispute over whether their medical school was truly 'on campus', or some such.) If a school from the Big 12 or the ACC or the AAC (I saw one article mention U of Cincinnati) or wherever is NOT a member school of the Assoc of American Universities, they are not going to get into the Big Ten. Period. Full stop. Yes, I am serious. So when you see an article talking about this or that school jumping to the Big Ten, the first thing you should look at is that list of AAU schools. If the school mentioned isn't there, the person writing the article is just blowing smoke. Yeah, AAU has traditionally been a huge deal with the B1G, but I've seen it suggested that at this point they wouldn't pass on non-AAU schools that are otherwise fairly good academically and had a strong research base, even if not to usual AAU standards. AAU status isn't really a measure of academic quality, but rather of research money, focus, and resources. Notre Dame is non AAU, but obviously an incredible academic school and obviously a school the B1G would let join in a heartbeat. [Yes, I know, ND would never join, but just hypothetically.]
Also, AAU membership isn't necessarily static - schools can lose membership (like Nebraska) and gain it (though membership overall has been fairly stable). A non-AAU school like Arizona State really could be an AAU school based on current metrics.
All of this is NOT to say that the B1G won't stick to it's AAU preference - the lack of AAU status may very well continue to keep schools out. But, I agree with some of the commentary that more so that any time in it's history, the B1G might (just might) make an exception.
Many in the pac qualify if not all
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Post by vbcoltrane on Jul 27, 2021 20:32:04 GMT -5
Yeah, AAU has traditionally been a huge deal with the B1G, but I've seen it suggested that at this point they wouldn't pass on non-AAU schools that are otherwise fairly good academically and had a strong research base, even if not to usual AAU standards. AAU status isn't really a measure of academic quality, but rather of research money, focus, and resources. Notre Dame is non AAU, but obviously an incredible academic school and obviously a school the B1G would let join in a heartbeat. [Yes, I know, ND would never join, but just hypothetically.]
Also, AAU membership isn't necessarily static - schools can lose membership (like Nebraska) and gain it (though membership overall has been fairly stable). A non-AAU school like Arizona State really could be an AAU school based on current metrics.
All of this is NOT to say that the B1G won't stick to it's AAU preference - the lack of AAU status may very well continue to keep schools out. But, I agree with some of the commentary that more so that any time in it's history, the B1G might (just might) make an exception.
Many in the pac qualify if not all Right. I think it's just Oregon State, Wash State, and Arizona State that aren't members. And Arizona State has research metrics that are on par with some AAU schools.
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Post by oldmanred on Jul 27, 2021 20:32:15 GMT -5
I don't know if it's fact or fiction; but, I heard tell that OkSt; ISt; & KU asked B1G for admittance! 😮
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Post by vbcoltrane on Jul 27, 2021 20:34:55 GMT -5
I don't know if it's fact or fiction; but, I heard tell that OkSt; ISt; & KU asked B1G for admittance! 😮 I've heard that too. They made calls or communicated some how - putting out feelers. Or at least tried to set up a meeting.
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Post by Boof1224 on Jul 27, 2021 20:53:17 GMT -5
I don't know if it's fact or fiction; but, I heard tell that OkSt; ISt; & KU asked B1G for admittance! 😮 They can ask. That means nothing. I don’t see BIG adding anyone that not from pac or names Clemson Florida state or notre dame
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Post by Boof1224 on Jul 27, 2021 20:55:09 GMT -5
I think the smart thing for big to do since then and pac have always had great relationship is instead of conference realignment make it so all their ooc games are against eachother. Or even better add Clemson and Florida state then play all your ooc games against pac.
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Post by bbg95 on Jul 27, 2021 21:08:27 GMT -5
I think the smart thing for big to do since then and pac have always had great relationship is instead of conference realignment make it so all their ooc games are against eachother. Or even better add Clemson and Florida state then play all your ooc games against pac. They can't get Clemson or Florida State for the same reason that they can't get Notre Dame even if the Irish were interested--the ACC's grant of rights that runs through 2036. If the Big Ten wants to add big brands to their conference (assuming that Texas and Oklahoma don't reopen their recruitment) in the next few years, they will have to come from the Pac-12. It does seem like USC is not particularly happy with the Pac-12 right now, so I can see it happening.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Jul 27, 2021 21:11:58 GMT -5
I think the smart thing for big to do since then and pac have always had great relationship is instead of conference realignment make it so all their ooc games are against eachother. Or even better add Clemson and Florida state then play all your ooc games against pac. I've been thinking about how the B1G and PAC could have a "Rose Alliance" in football to increase value of the media rights package, but basically stay separate conferences for other sports. I don't know if that's realistic - if media would pay for such a complex arrangement (is it that complex?)
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