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Post by XAsstCoach on Jul 31, 2021 21:04:42 GMT -5
Someone well connected with an upper level party apparatchik. Yeah, I was mentioning in the main Tokyo indoor women thread that unconfirmed Chinese news report are saying China's underperformance was due to political interference from Chinese bureaucrats. Allegedly, there was political inflighting in the Chinese volleyball federation and Lang Ping was stripped of her power to select the Tokyo roster or even who she can put on court, which would explain why Zhu was on court despite her injury and why Lang Ping didn't made as much subs as she normally would in those situations. Now that report is unsubstantiated at this point, so I'm not going to post a link to that article, but if true, then Lang Ping is being made a scapegoat here and the real villains behind-the-scenes are getting off scot free despite them running the team into the ground. Now THIS is shenanigans! 🤣 |
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 31, 2021 21:05:09 GMT -5
I recall reading that LP is moving back to CA. Is this still true? I believe her daughter is in LA or BArea. Maybe it is why the chinese boss wanted to punish her. Given how ungrateful and nasty Chinese fans are now in hounding Lang Ping, I wouldn't be surprise she thinks: "I've had enough of this b.s, I'm going to live closer to my daughter in the US". I mean, if you guys think VT posters lately have been mean and salty, you should see what I'v been reading in the comment sections of Sohu and Sina websites from Chinese volleyball fans. The Chinese posters there are attacking Lang Ping mercilessly in the most mean-spirited ways you can think of. Granted, I can understand they are upset at the worst performance of the Chinese volleyball team in their Olympic history, but the sheer nastiness on there makes VT looks real tame and calm in comparison. These online Chinese trolls are called "Online red guards" in China. What does "red guard" means? Those were Chairman Mao's attack dogs, armed gangs of young people brainwashed by Mao's little red book to attack, humiliate, torture and kill people deemed to be enemies of Mao during the "Cultural Revolution", a period of turmoil in the 1960's to 70s when Mao attacked his own communist party to purge his enemies. Now since Mao's death, the Chinese Communist Party has disavowed the madness of the Cultural Revolution, but some of its after-effects still linger to this day, such as the sheer "venom" in personal attacks to people deemed as "persona non grata". Which is why these people attacking Lang Ping now are called by other Chinese as "Online Red Guards". So if I am Lang Ping, why would I still live in a place subjected to such treatment online and in the press? |
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 31, 2021 21:06:53 GMT -5
Honestly she deserves to be fired given the results. Especially if the rumors that she overworked everyone are true If Karch's ladies had this performance in the Olympics, heads would have rolled. That's assuming it was the coach's fault and not some nefarious power games going on in the volleyball federation itself to undermine the coach, as allegedly is the case with Lang Ping now. |
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Post by Phaedrus on Jul 31, 2021 21:10:06 GMT -5
Someone well connected with an upper level party apparatchik. Yeah, I was mentioning in the main Tokyo indoor women thread that unconfirmed Chinese news report are saying China's underperformance was due to political interference from Chinese bureaucrats. Allegedly, there was political inflighting in the Chinese volleyball federation and Lang Ping was stripped of her power to select the Tokyo roster or even who she can put on court, which would explain why Zhu was on court despite her injury and why Lang Ping didn't made as much subs as she normally would in those situations. Now that report is unsubstantiated at this point, so I'm not going to post a link to that article, but if true, then Lang Ping is being made a scapegoat here and the real villains behind-the-scenes are getting off scot free despite them running the team into the ground. She has always complained about how hard the job is: the political pressures, having to shield her players and coaches from Chinese politics, dealing with all the regional party bosses who are promoting players from their provinces, getting the best training environments from the government. This is why her players love her so much, she brings a human side to the very tough world of coaching in a Chinese bureaucracy. She learned a lot of that from having coached in the US, very early on when she was at UNM with Laurel and John Kessel, and then later as the HC of the USA NT. The players know that once she is gone, they are stuck with good little party robots who will treat them as chattel. It is a sad state of affairs. She put herself out their to coach in the pro league because she wanted some control over how her players are trained and treated while they played in China. |
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Post by CAI BIN MUST GO on Jul 31, 2021 21:14:44 GMT -5
I recall reading that LP is moving back to CA. Is this still true? I believe her daughter is in LA or BArea. Maybe it is why the chinese boss wanted to punish her. Given how ungrateful and nasty Chinese fans are now in hounding Lang Ping, I wouldn't be surprise she thinks: "I've had enough of this b.s, I'm going to live closer to my daughter in the US". I mean, if you guys think VT posters lately have been mean and salty, you should see what I'v been reading in the comment sections of Sohu and Sina websites from Chinese volleyball fans. The Chinese posters there are attacking Lang Ping mercilessly in the most mean-spirited ways you can think of. Granted, I can understand they are upset at the worst performance of the Chinese volleyball team in their Olympic history, but the sheer nastiness on there makes VT looks real tame and calm in comparison. These online Chinese trolls are called "Online red guards" in China. What does "red guard" means? Those were Chairman Mao's attack dogs, armed gangs of young people brainwashed by Mao's little red book to attack, humiliate, torture and kill people deemed to be enemies of Mao during the "Cultural Revolution", a period of turmoil in the 1960's to 70s when Mao attacked his own communist party to purge his enemies. Now since Mao's death, the Chinese Communist Party has disavowed the madness of the Cultural Revolution, but some of its after-effects still linger to this day, such as the sheer "venom" in personal attacks to people deemed as "persona non grata". Which is why these people attacking Lang Ping now are called by other Chinese as "Online Red Guards". So if I am Lang Ping, why would I still live in a place subjected to such treatment online and in the press? chill. they are attacking her because she ran the team into the ground. The discourse on weibo is very accommodating towards athletes (e.g. Xu Xin and Liu Shiwen losing tt doubles gold). The women's soccer coach also got flamed because of an inept roster selection and leaving out many star players. |
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 31, 2021 21:18:56 GMT -5
Given how ungrateful and nasty Chinese fans are now in hounding Lang Ping, I wouldn't be surprise she thinks: "I've had enough of this b.s, I'm going to live closer to my daughter in the US". I mean, if you guys think VT posters lately have been mean and salty, you should see what I'v been reading in the comment sections of Sohu and Sina websites from Chinese volleyball fans. The Chinese posters there are attacking Lang Ping mercilessly in the most mean-spirited ways you can think of. Granted, I can understand they are upset at the worst performance of the Chinese volleyball team in their Olympic history, but the sheer nastiness on there makes VT looks real tame and calm in comparison. These online Chinese trolls are called "Online red guards" in China. What does "red guard" means? Those were Chairman Mao's attack dogs, armed gangs of young people brainwashed by Mao's little red book to attack, humiliate, torture and kill people deemed to be enemies of Mao during the "Cultural Revolution", a period of turmoil in the 1960's to 70s when Mao attacked his own communist party to purge his enemies. Now since Mao's death, the Chinese Communist Party has disavowed the madness of the Cultural Revolution, but some of its after-effects still linger to this day, such as the sheer "venom" in personal attacks to people deemed as "persona non grata". Which is why these people attacking Lang Ping now are called by other Chinese as "Online Red Guards". So if I am Lang Ping, why would I still live in a place subjected to such treatment online and in the press? chill. they are attacking her because she ran the team into the ground. The discourse on weibo is very accommodating towards athletes (e.g. Xu Xin and Liu Shiwen losing tt doubles gold). The women's soccer coach also got flamed because of an inept roster selection and leaving out many star players. Yeah, but is it really her running the team into the ground or internal power politics running her and her team into the ground? Things are always more complicated than they appear on the surface in China and the world of Chinese governance, including sports administration. In any case, the deluge of nastiness is a bit unfair to Lang Ping. After all, she did win an Olympic Gold in Rio and two World Cup championships. And doing so when China volleyball was down in the gutter and in desperate need of help in which she did came and rescued the team. I'm sure she didn't want to end her tenure this way either, but objectively, these fans should at least acknowledge what Lang Ping has contributed to Chinese volleyball too. |
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 31, 2021 21:20:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I was mentioning in the main Tokyo indoor women thread that unconfirmed Chinese news report are saying China's underperformance was due to political interference from Chinese bureaucrats. Allegedly, there was political inflighting in the Chinese volleyball federation and Lang Ping was stripped of her power to select the Tokyo roster or even who she can put on court, which would explain why Zhu was on court despite her injury and why Lang Ping didn't made as much subs as she normally would in those situations. Now that report is unsubstantiated at this point, so I'm not going to post a link to that article, but if true, then Lang Ping is being made a scapegoat here and the real villains behind-the-scenes are getting off scot free despite them running the team into the ground. She has always complained about how hard the job is: the political pressures, having to shield her players and coaches from Chinese politics, dealing with all the regional party bosses who are promoting players from their provinces, getting the best training environments from the government. This is why her players love her so much, she brings a human side to the very tough world of coaching in a Chinese bureaucracy. She learned a lot of that from having coached in the US, very early on when she was at UNM with Laurel and John Kessel, and then later as the HC of the USA NT. The players know that once she is gone, they are stuck with good little party robots who will treat them as chattel. It is a sad state of affairs. She put herself out their to coach in the pro league because she wanted some control over how her players are trained and treated while they played in China. Exactly. After Lang Ping is gone, will Chinese players revert to being disposable goods, exploit them to the full extent, then after they are done, dump them and forget about them. |
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Post by Phaedrus on Jul 31, 2021 21:22:33 GMT -5
She has always complained about how hard the job is: the political pressures, having to shield her players and coaches from Chinese politics, dealing with all the regional party bosses who are promoting players from their provinces, getting the best training environments from the government. This is why her players love her so much, she brings a human side to the very tough world of coaching in a Chinese bureaucracy. She learned a lot of that from having coached in the US, very early on when she was at UNM with Laurel and John Kessel, and then later as the HC of the USA NT. The players know that once she is gone, they are stuck with good little party robots who will treat them as chattel. It is a sad state of affairs. She put herself out their to coach in the pro league because she wanted some control over how her players are trained and treated while they played in China. Exactly. After Lang Ping is gone, will Chinese players revert to being disposable goods, exploit them to the full extent, then after they are done, dump them and forget about them. I really want to see the youngsters develop, especially #12. There is a Chinese saying that roughly translates to I can not clean off the dirt off of me even if I tried to wash it off in the Yangtze. That is where she is right now. I am pretty sure she saw it coming but to her credit, she walked into it courageously and without hedging. She is a hero. |
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Post by ironhammer on Jul 31, 2021 21:38:50 GMT -5
Exactly. After Lang Ping is gone, will Chinese players revert to being disposable goods, exploit them to the full extent, then after they are done, dump them and forget about them. I really want to see the youngsters develop, especially #12. There is a Chinese saying that roughly translates to I can not clean off the dirt off of me even if I tried to wash it off in the Yangtze. That is where she is right now. I am pretty sure she saw it coming but to her credit, she walked into it courageously and without hedging. She is a hero.Yeah, she came in to coach China when the team was really down. No one else wanted the job because of the immense political and public pressure, and she bravely took it on and turned around the team. Credit should be given to her for that, not just this non-stop hounding of her by Chinese fans now. This unceasing attack by those fans is simply a not very fair assessment of her coaching record. |
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Post by XAsstCoach on Jul 31, 2021 22:11:10 GMT -5
If the political maneuvering did cause the CNT’s demise, wonder if JLP will name names and what they did. Granted she can write a biography or give an interview after moving state-side.
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Post by dokterrudi on Aug 1, 2021 0:27:25 GMT -5
The government there is basically a criminal enterprise. We think corruption is bad in the US...
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Post by vballfannbama on Aug 1, 2021 1:12:58 GMT -5
I recall reading that LP is moving back to CA. Is this still true? I believe her daughter is in LA or BArea. Maybe it is why the chinese boss wanted to punish her. USA please rehire her. I would love for her to take over the direction of the overall USA volleyball program |
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Post by staticb on Aug 1, 2021 6:29:54 GMT -5
Lang Ping does not have total control of her roster. Each Province has a Department of Sports and the total numbers of medals won by each province is considered a great measure of success for that province’s sports department. So there’s a lot of political lobbying by each province to have as many athletes on the team as possible.
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Post by ironhammer on Aug 1, 2021 8:03:32 GMT -5
Lang Ping does not have total control of her roster. Each Province has a Department of Sports and the total numbers of medals won by each province is considered a great measure of success for that province’s sports department. So there’s a lot of political lobbying by each province to have as many athletes on the team as possible. Yup, Lang Ping essentially is coaching with one hand behind her back. While other coaches can just focus on recruiting and coaching, she has to spent an inordinate amount of time balancing different political and regional interest and then try to coach the best she can within those political and vested interest constraints imposed upon her. Seen in that light, her ability to win China gold in Rio and two World Cup Championships is even more impressive given these shackles placed on her. Which is why the job of China's NT coach is so very tough. You not only need to be a good coach who knows how to spot and train talented volleyball players and to win tournaments, but also you need politicking skills to survive the turf battles, ever shifting political demands and backstabbing of the Chinese bureaucracy. Many people may be good at either coaching or politicking, but to find people who are good at both is rather more challenging. |
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Post by Phaedrus on Aug 1, 2021 8:59:32 GMT -5
Lang Ping does not have total control of her roster. Each Province has a Department of Sports and the total numbers of medals won by each province is considered a great measure of success for that province’s sports department. So there’s a lot of political lobbying by each province to have as many athletes on the team as possible. Coaching by committee. Combined with a Chinese bureaucracy that goes back to the first emperor. |
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