Conference Realignment again

[bluepenquin]

2023-24: BYU, Cincinnati, UCF, and Houston join the Big 12.

2024-25: Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC.
2024-25: USC and UCLA join the Big Ten
2024-25: Colorado joins the Big 12.

That is all of them for now.

[vbnerd]

So per Pete Thamel, apparently the Pac 12 TV deal isn't actually on TV, its on streaming. And it is only worth about $20 million which is 66% of the Big 12 deal... but when new subscriber data comes in for AppleTV, it could be worth more than the Big 12 deal.

I'm not sure if those subscriber bonuses are per school or shared league wide.

[savannahbadger]

15 minutes away from the AZ board of regents meeting.

[BeachbytheBay]

Yes, but would the Big12 offer Az $20 million or more to join?

Maybe they even offered Colorado too much.

Why would the Big 12 offer Utah much of anything if they already have Colo & BYU? what's the point?

Does adding Az/ASU/Utah really add almost $100 million in value. that's the question.

[BeachbytheBay]

To some extent, the Pac-8 can remain viable IF Utah and ASU stay. For how low is another question.

what would you rather watch. Utah and ASU or Colo & Az? At least for football.


never thought $20 mil a year to a program would be 'chump change'

[brooselee]

Aug 1, 2023 17:51:46 GMT -5 BeachbytheBay said:

To some extent, the Pac-8 can remain viable IF Utah and ASU stay. For how low is another question.

what would you rather watch. Utah and ASU or Colo & Az? At least for football.


never thought $20 mil a year to a program would be 'chump change'

20 mil is definitely not chump change but if the teams in the PAC want to remain competitive on the national stage, they need to match the money from competing conferences otherwise the PAC will not be able to hire big name coaches or build better facilities.

It's an arm race going on.

[horns1]

[BeachbytheBay]

Aug 1, 2023 17:59:18 GMT -5 brooselee said:

Aug 1, 2023 17:51:46 GMT -5 BeachbytheBay said:

To some extent, the Pac-8 can remain viable IF Utah and ASU stay. For how low is another question.

what would you rather watch. Utah and ASU or Colo & Az? At least for football.


never thought $20 mil a year to a program would be 'chump change'

20 mil is definitely not chump change but if the teams in the PAC want to remain competitive on the national stage, they need to match the money from competing conferences otherwise the PAC will not be able to hire big name coaches or build better facilities.

It's an arm race going on.

well, the Big 12 doesn't even match SEC or Big 10 as it is.

I don't know if it's really that simple.

Each school now has NIL at it's disposal potentially.

One would think there is still value in a quality west coast product.

What would be funny is if the Pac-12 becomes the Pac-8, still qualifies for auto-bids and a decent geographical footprint. I mean losing Arizona is a basketball loss, but other than that.


Still think adding SDSU/Fresno & SMU, and adding Gonzaga for basketball would have value, and still in some ways better than the Big 12 overall. BUt hard to see that getting more than $20 mil / school.

[horns1]

It's happening

[horns1]

www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/does-florida-state-or-any-acc-power-actually-have-options-revenue-gap-concerns-threaten-to-split-league/

[vbcoltrane]

Florida State situation is interesting. Brand has lost value in recent years (not that it's completely gone) and they're really stuck. You'd think someone would want them, no? The ACC is a good conference athletically, and generally academically as well. Nice fairly contained geography. But their deal is just SO bad and for SO long.

[brooselee]

FSU is going to have to start winning before they can find a way out of the ACC. Nobody is going to subsidize their 120 mil exit fee and then accept an average football team.

Dennis Dodd is right…they have no leverage. Need to prove their worth and cannot count on their past to get them into a better position.

[knapplc]

Aug 3, 2023 9:46:45 GMT -5 brooselee said:

FSU is going to have to start winning before they can find a way out of the ACC. Nobody is going to subsidize their 120 mil exit fee and then accept an average football team.

Dennis Dodd is right…they have no leverage. Need to prove their worth and cannot count on their past to get them into a better position.

Why wouldn't the SEC or Big Ten want a marquee name that drives eyeballs to TVs, but which is bad enough that their cherished blue-chip programs can consistently beat?

Nebraska is the perfect example. The Big Ten loves having us when it comes time to negotiate contracts just as much as they love that Ohio State, Michigan and Wisconsin can routinely trounce us. It's a win/win.

[bbg95]

Aug 3, 2023 9:40:47 GMT -5 vbcoltrane said:

Florida State situation is interesting. Brand has lost value in recent years (not that it's completely gone) and they're really stuck. You'd think someone would want them, no? The ACC is a good conference athletically, and generally academically as well. Nice fairly contained geography. But their deal is just SO bad and for SO long.

If Florida State was a free agent soon like Texas, Oklahoma and USC, I think they'd be fine. The ACC's interminable contract is the issue.

[bluepenquin]

Aug 3, 2023 9:46:45 GMT -5 brooselee said:

FSU is going to have to start winning before they can find a way out of the ACC. Nobody is going to subsidize their 120 mil exit fee and then accept an average football team.

Dennis Dodd is right…they have no leverage. Need to prove their worth and cannot count on their past to get them into a better position.

The $120M exit fee is almost nothing compared to the rights the ACC would have to FSU sports broadcasting until 2035.  The ACC would own the TV money received from their football games unless FSU wants to spend millions of $'s in court and win that case.