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Post by bbg95 on Jan 20, 2022 15:22:50 GMT -5
A look at how the B12 would split their divisions for Football. Not sure if they would do this for volleyball (or basketball). Does sound like Basketball will not increase the number of conference games - which would be good news for volleyball if they follow suit (or just increase to 18 like basketball). www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-12-engaged-in-plans-to-split-into-two-seven-team-divisions-beginning-in-2023-amid-realignment/Sounds like one of the leading ideas for divisions - then remove Texas and Oklahoma when they leave. Big 12 North: BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State Big 12 South: Baylor, Houston, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, UCF, West Virginia My understanding is that these divisions aren't really set and those groupings are just one possibility. For example, I don't think it makes a lot of sense to put Cincinnati and West Virginia in separate divisions or to put BYU and Cincinnati in the same division. But we'll have to see. As for the possibility of BYU joining the Big 12 in non-football sports a year early, I think the chances of that actually happening are fairly remote though not impossible. Edit: I see below that you're speculating that the divisions would be for football only, and the conference wouldn't have divisions for other sports. If that's the case, then the geographic makeup of the divisions is far less important, as it only affects a handful of football games. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 20, 2022 15:26:02 GMT -5
A look at how the B12 would split their divisions for Football. Not sure if they would do this for volleyball (or basketball). Does sound like Basketball will not increase the number of conference games - which would be good news for volleyball if they follow suit (or just increase to 18 like basketball). www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/big-12-engaged-in-plans-to-split-into-two-seven-team-divisions-beginning-in-2023-amid-realignment/Sounds like one of the leading ideas for divisions - then remove Texas and Oklahoma when they leave. Big 12 North: BYU, Cincinnati, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State Big 12 South: Baylor, Houston, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech, UCF, West Virginia I can't believe Kansas would be okay with that for basketball and I'm not sure BYu/ISU/Cincy/OSU in one division for football's going to work. If I was one of those Texas schools, I'd be bribing people to get those divisions in place. I don't think the B12 will have divisions for their sports other than football, where divisions will be required. For basketball, the scheduling will be 18 games whether they have 12 or 14 teams. I don't know that Kansas would have a strong opinion on the conference schedule - as to which teams they play twice and which only once. There isn't a difference in quality of teams after Kansas over the course of many seasons. As this pertains to VB - I think it will be an 18 game conference schedule with no divisions. Not sure how they will determine which teams play twice - once they are at 11 teams, it would be home and home will all other teams but 3 each season. They may try and configure in a way to reduce the amount of travel, or they may just make it random each year? |
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 20, 2022 15:26:05 GMT -5
Also mentioned an outside chance the BYU joins the B12 this fall other than Football. Would be kind of fun to have BYU and Texas in the same conference for a VB season and an even # of VB schools for once. I could see this as a no vote by Texas and OU unless the Big 12 starts to give some on the price of the buyout. I don't think Texas and Oklahoma can prevent the other eight members from making changes, as I think 80% of the existing membership is needed. I don't think BYU is going to join a year early, but if the "Hateful Eight" are unanimously in favor of it, Texas and Oklahoma can't really stop it. And they don't really have any leverage to extract concessions on the buyout or really anything else, as they can just be outvoted by the other eight schools. They used to have leverage because they could threaten to leave if they didn't get their way. But since they're already leaving, that leverage is gone. To the degree that those schools can be leveraged, I think it would have to come from ESPN's end (e.g. more Big 12 TV money in exchange for letting UT/OU leave early). From BYU's end, my sense is that they'll defer to the existing members of the Big 12, which I think probably wants to add the four new schools all at once. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 20, 2022 15:30:40 GMT -5
Also mentioned an outside chance the BYU joins the B12 this fall other than Football. Would be kind of fun to have BYU and Texas in the same conference for a VB season and an even # of VB schools for once. I could see this as a no vote by Texas and OU unless the Big 12 starts to give some on the price of the buyout. It would be great for Texas volleyball. |
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 20, 2022 16:31:14 GMT -5
I could see this as a no vote by Texas and OU unless the Big 12 starts to give some on the price of the buyout. It would be great for Texas volleyball. What's good for Texas volleyball would be lucky to be in the Top 50 concerns on this subject. |
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 20, 2022 16:34:43 GMT -5
I could see this as a no vote by Texas and OU unless the Big 12 starts to give some on the price of the buyout. I don't think Texas and Oklahoma can prevent the other eight members from making changes, as I think 80% of the existing membership is needed. I don't think BYU is going to join a year early, but if the "Hateful Eight" are unanimously in favor of it, Texas and Oklahoma can't really stop it. And they don't really have any leverage to extract concessions on the buyout or really anything else, as they can just be outvoted by the other eight schools. They used to have leverage because they could threaten to leave if they didn't get their way. But since they're already leaving, that leverage is gone. To the degree that those schools can be leveraged, I think it would have to come from ESPN's end (e.g. more Big 12 TV money in exchange for letting UT/OU leave early). From BYU's end, my sense is that they'll defer to the existing members of the Big 12, which I think probably wants to add the four new schools all at once. I've got a feeling that there is already a crack in the Hateful Eight solidarity when Texas and Tech agreed to a 25 year football game contract. I haven't seen anything announced, but I would expect something similar with OU and OSU. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 20, 2022 16:48:04 GMT -5
I don't think Texas and Oklahoma can prevent the other eight members from making changes, as I think 80% of the existing membership is needed. I don't think BYU is going to join a year early, but if the "Hateful Eight" are unanimously in favor of it, Texas and Oklahoma can't really stop it. And they don't really have any leverage to extract concessions on the buyout or really anything else, as they can just be outvoted by the other eight schools. They used to have leverage because they could threaten to leave if they didn't get their way. But since they're already leaving, that leverage is gone. To the degree that those schools can be leveraged, I think it would have to come from ESPN's end (e.g. more Big 12 TV money in exchange for letting UT/OU leave early). From BYU's end, my sense is that they'll defer to the existing members of the Big 12, which I think probably wants to add the four new schools all at once. I've got a feeling that there is already a crack in the Hateful Eight solidarity when Texas and Tech agreed to a 25 year football game contract. I haven't seen anything announced, but I would expect something similar with OU and OSU. I think it's a moot point. I would be very surprised if BYU joined a year early in the other sports, as there's really no reason to rush it. The Big 12 doesn't need any help in terms of men's basketball (not that BYU would be adding that much to begin with--they're good for a non-Gonzaga WCC school, but I expect them not to be in the top half of the Big 12, at least initially), and BYU can't join for football before 2023 anyway due to their existing game contracts. The WCC is fine for one more season. I really don't see any pressing reason to deal with the logistics of adding one school in 2022 and then three more in 2023. |
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Post by stevehorn on Jan 20, 2022 16:53:37 GMT -5
I've got a feeling that there is already a crack in the Hateful Eight solidarity when Texas and Tech agreed to a 25 year football game contract. I haven't seen anything announced, but I would expect something similar with OU and OSU. I think it's a moot point. I would be very surprised if BYU joined a year early in the other sports, as there's really no reason to rush it. The Big 12 doesn't need any help in terms of men's basketball, and BYU can't join for football before 2023 anyway due to their existing game contracts. The WCC is fine for one more season. I really don't see any pressing reason to deal with the logistics of adding one school in 2022 and then three more in 2023. I would agree on being a moot point. First time I've heard this mentioned which means it hasn't even made the radars of the Texas websites which is an indication that it has never made the serious discussion stage. |
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Post by n00b on Jan 20, 2022 17:00:32 GMT -5
I've got a feeling that there is already a crack in the Hateful Eight solidarity when Texas and Tech agreed to a 25 year football game contract. I haven't seen anything announced, but I would expect something similar with OU and OSU. I think it's a moot point. I would be very surprised if BYU joined a year early in the other sports, as there's really no reason to rush it. The Big 12 doesn't need any help in terms of men's basketball (not that BYU would be adding that much to begin with--they're good for a non-Gonzaga WCC school, but I expect them not to be in the top half of the Big 12, at least initially), and BYU can't join for football before 2023 anyway due to their existing game contracts. The WCC is fine for one more season. I really don't see any pressing reason to deal with the logistics of adding one school in 2022 and then three more in 2023. For what it's worth, BYU is #26 in the current NET rankings. That's a lot better than "they're good for a non-Gonzaga WCC school". |
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 20, 2022 17:14:58 GMT -5
I think it's a moot point. I would be very surprised if BYU joined a year early in the other sports, as there's really no reason to rush it. The Big 12 doesn't need any help in terms of men's basketball (not that BYU would be adding that much to begin with--they're good for a non-Gonzaga WCC school, but I expect them not to be in the top half of the Big 12, at least initially), and BYU can't join for football before 2023 anyway due to their existing game contracts. The WCC is fine for one more season. I really don't see any pressing reason to deal with the logistics of adding one school in 2022 and then three more in 2023. For what it's worth, BYU is #26 in the current NET rankings. That's a lot better than "they're good for a non-Gonzaga WCC school". Fair enough. That would put them sixth in the current Big 12 and the new Big 12 (subtract Texas and add Houston). But it's also much easier to play in the WCC than it is to play in the Big 12, so I think their NET ranking may be a little inflated due to that. But I suppose we'll see how they do soon enough. My point was that they're well behind Gonzaga and probably middle of the road at best in the new Big 12. I stand by both of those assertions. |
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Post by n00b on Jan 20, 2022 17:24:55 GMT -5
For what it's worth, BYU is #26 in the current NET rankings. That's a lot better than "they're good for a non-Gonzaga WCC school". Fair enough. That would put them sixth in the current Big 12 and the new Big 12 (subtract Texas and add Houston). But it's also much easier to play in the WCC than it is to play in the Big 12, so I think their NET ranking may be a little inflated due to that. But I suppose we'll see how they do soon enough. My point was that they're well behind Gonzaga and probably middle of the road at best in the new Big 12. I stand by both of those assertions. True. The Big 12 is already silly good at men's basketball. |
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Post by bluepenquin on Jan 20, 2022 17:34:30 GMT -5
It would be great for Texas volleyball. What's good for Texas volleyball would be lucky to be in the Top 50 concerns on this subject. True - I didn't doubt this, just that it would be a good byproduct of a decision they have no control over. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Jan 20, 2022 17:42:50 GMT -5
BYU is #21 in KenPom, which would be good for 5th in the Big XII (an excellent basketball conference).
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Post by bbg95 on Jan 20, 2022 19:20:46 GMT -5
Fair enough. That would put them sixth in the current Big 12 and the new Big 12 (subtract Texas and add Houston). But it's also much easier to play in the WCC than it is to play in the Big 12, so I think their NET ranking may be a little inflated due to that. But I suppose we'll see how they do soon enough. My point was that they're well behind Gonzaga and probably middle of the road at best in the new Big 12. I stand by both of those assertions. True. The Big 12 is already silly good at men's basketball. Yeah, I thought this was illuminating (I may be shortchanging my alma mater a bit, but I guess I want to see them make a run in the tournament first). |
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Post by vbnerd on Jan 20, 2022 23:44:03 GMT -5
The MAAC has said they want to get to 12, which probably comes with picking off two schools from the NEC. Monmouth leaving gives them two openings, my guess is they go after Bryant and Sacred Heart. After that... A) America East hunts the NEC B) NEC hunts the America East C) WVB is the only sport in the AE that would lose it's AQ, so those 5 schools could drop the sport or seek affiliate membership elsewhere. (Albany, Binghamton, UNH, NJIT and UMBC). |
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