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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 7, 2023 15:05:29 GMT -5
I'm sorry an Atlantic Coast Conference with two California schools is hilarious to me. Athletics Coast to Coast! |
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 7, 2023 15:09:51 GMT -5
OK, you are right that ND football is a national brand because of the link to catholicism and there are catholics everywhere. But the core fanbases are concentrated in the Northeast and upper tier of the Midwest, where Catholics (particularly of european heritage) predominate. I would argue the reason Notre Dame is a national football brand is because they are a very famous and successful program which dominated college football in multiple generations and have spent the last 30 years playing all their games on national television. The basis of that goes back to the 20s and has strong ties to the Catholic fanbase, which still forms the large proportion of its alumni donors. You do not understand what a hold it has in the urban NE. It is literally the only football team most folks actually follow (maybe besides PSU). One can make the case that the reason there has been no traditional football power in the NE is because of ND. That also explains why the ties to California - since a lot of the fanbase migrated out there. |
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Post by tomclen on Aug 7, 2023 15:24:43 GMT -5
I would argue the reason Notre Dame is a national football brand is because they are a very famous and successful program which dominated college football in multiple generations and have spent the last 30 years playing all their games on national television. The basis of that goes back to the 20s and has strong ties to the Catholic fanbase, which still forms the large proportion of its alumni donors. You do not understand what a hold it has in the urban NE. It is literally the only football team most folks actually follow (maybe besides PSU). One can make the case that the reason there has been no traditional football power in the NE is because of ND. That also explains why the ties to California - since a lot of the fanbase migrated out there. Radio shouldn't be overlooked regarding Notre Dame football success. In 1935 the Mutual Radio Network did its first live broadcast of a Notre Dame football game. The network continued to carry every ND FB game (on hundreds of radio stations across the country) until the network folded in 1999. |
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Post by n00b on Aug 7, 2023 16:15:09 GMT -5
I do wonder if they were approached by the Big Ten and said they weren't interested. Or that they were a package deal with Cal. You're right. People tune into Stanford. |
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Post by surfvolleypolojock77 on Aug 7, 2023 16:15:39 GMT -5
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Post by dbro1970 on Aug 7, 2023 16:29:10 GMT -5
Couple questions about all of this realignment: 1. Is there a limit? How many teams can (and should) be in a conference? At this point, I’m thinking go to 20/21 so volleyball and basketball have 19/20 game conferences. 2. I know it’s all about football, but how does this impact the other sports (volleyball obviously being on the forefront of my mind). Divisions? Conference tournament? What would you do if you were calling the shots for the volleyball season. Just my own idea, but for volleyball we could go to a one game round robin so each team gets 17 conference games and plays a home and home with every team in the conference every two years. We could throw in one rivalry team that plays twice in a year, perhaps rotating between 2 or 3 schools to get to 18. We could then use the last two games of the season, to get to 20, for a mini tournament right after Thanksgiving. Teams will be grouped in fours based on their finish in the league and then go to the highest ranked team for a two game playoff, with the losers also playing each other. (In other words, 1-4 meet at 1 location, 1 plays 4, 2 plays 3, then the winners and losers of the first games play. 5-8, 9-12, 13-16 do same deal.....17 and 18 play each other twice.) This gives every team a full 20 game conference schedule and also gives the top teams a chance to play it off for the championship without a lengthy tournament to do so. |
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Post by dbro1970 on Aug 7, 2023 16:32:09 GMT -5
It’s in the works. Stanford and Notre Dame. B1G 20 False......Notre Dame would choose the SEC over the Big 10 reason being "Butts in seats" No matter who they were playing sec fan bases are passionate and travel even if they don't get tickets Big Ten fans are just as passionate and closer to home. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 7, 2023 16:32:42 GMT -5
I'm sorry an Atlantic Coast Conference with two California schools is hilarious to me. yep, this X post makes it sound like a couple check-boxes need to get checked and then, wala, it's a done deal. smh |
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Post by gr8lakes on Aug 7, 2023 16:40:47 GMT -5
Cal and Stanford making yearly trips to Syracuse and Boston College doesn't make sense.
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Post by outofsystem1 on Aug 7, 2023 16:43:36 GMT -5
It may be time to recognize the obvious: football and basketball appear to be different from all the other sports. Would it be possible to retain the traditional conference setup with region being more important than revenue stream for the Olympic sports and baseball while simply developing different rules and conference affiliations for football and basketball?
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Post by huskerjen on Aug 7, 2023 16:45:29 GMT -5
I do wonder if they were approached by the Big Ten and said they weren't interested. Or that they were a package deal with Cal. You're right. People tune into Stanford. Does anyone know why Stanford would be necessarily tied to Cal? Political? Stanford doesn't need that anchor around their neck. If being tied to Cal forces them into the ACC vs. B1G, that would be unfortunate for Stanford. They'd get much more money in the B1G, especially long term. |
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Post by surfvolleypolojock77 on Aug 7, 2023 16:50:13 GMT -5
I do wonder if they were approached by the Big Ten and said they weren't interested. Or that they were a package deal with Cal. You're right. People tune into Stanford. Maybe Stanford didn't want to be in the Big Ten as they were the last team to be invited by them. The ACC might be offering them a much better deal and with Cal as well |
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 7, 2023 16:52:01 GMT -5
There's no way Stanford has the 14th-largest fanbase in the country. If they did, they'd have been invited to the Big Ten already. There may be a lot of people in the Bay Area, but not that many of them care about college football, much less Stanford football. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 7, 2023 16:52:21 GMT -5
I do wonder if they were approached by the Big Ten and said they weren't interested. Or that they were a package deal with Cal. You're right. People tune into Stanford. do they really tune in to Stanford, or does Stanford benefit from the games they schedule (USC, CAl, ND being 3 big guaranteed draws every year) - if all the teams just below scheduled ND every year, I suspect they might be #2 in the Pac-12 |
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 7, 2023 16:53:38 GMT -5
I would argue the reason Notre Dame is a national football brand is because they are a very famous and successful program which dominated college football in multiple generations and have spent the last 30 years playing all their games on national television. The basis of that goes back to the 20s and has strong ties to the Catholic fanbase, which still forms the large proportion of its alumni donors. You do not understand what a hold it has in the urban NE. It is literally the only football team most folks actually follow (maybe besides PSU). One can make the case that the reason there has been no traditional football power in the NE is because of ND. That also explains why the ties to California - since a lot of the fanbase migrated out there. Right. Notre Dame didn't dominate college football in multiple generations or have all its home games on national TV in a vacuum. Being the de facto university of many of the Catholics in the country had a lot to do with it. I would also argue that the Big Ten (led by Michigan and Fielding Yost) excluding Notre Dame was actually the best thing that ever happened to their football program, as it forced them to play all over the country, which dramatically grew their brand. If Notre Dame was accepted into the Big Ten 100 years ago, I don't think they would have become what they are today. I think Notre Dame's annual rivalry with USC is also part of the reason that both schools got so big. So really, they should probably thank the Big Ten in a weird way. But given that their exclusion was done out of malice, I can understand why they don't seem to want to let it go and have repeatedly fended off the Big Ten's advances. |
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