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Post by HappyVolley on Aug 7, 2023 23:41:00 GMT -5
I thought this was kind of amusing.
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Post by HappyVolley on Aug 7, 2023 23:49:57 GMT -5
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Post by HappyVolley on Aug 7, 2023 23:53:23 GMT -5
This Twitter thread is from a University of Michigan regent. It is worth the time to read.
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Post by slxpress on Aug 8, 2023 0:33:23 GMT -5
This Twitter thread is from a University of Michigan regent. It is worth the time to read. I don't understand. What was the NCAA supposed to do? I'm assuming Jordan Acker as an attorney and Michigan regent has heard of this? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_v._Board_of_Regents_of_the_University_of_OklahomaHow in the world is the NCAA supposed to police what conferences schools choose to affiliate with? I understand the anger, but the target feels completely misplaced. If anything, crying to congress is exactly what the NCAA should be doing, because they have no power. If he's complaining about the Jim Harbaugh violations - which it feels like he is - that's all the toothless NCAA can go after now. They have been defanged at every turn. Give the NCAA some real teeth, like they used to have under Walter Byers, and watch the real complaints begin. If the NCAA had the power to dictate which conferences schools remain in, it would be the end of the NCAA. Full stop. Personally, I'm disappointed in this twitter (X?) thread. I'm assuming he's a smart man, but this thread is not evidence of it. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 8, 2023 2:11:22 GMT -5
Interesting response from Missouri football coach. He makes some very good points
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Post by vergyltantor on Aug 8, 2023 4:03:57 GMT -5
This Twitter thread is from a University of Michigan regent. It is worth the time to read. I don't understand. What was the NCAA supposed to do? I'm assuming Jordan Acker as an attorney and Michigan regent has heard of this? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_v._Board_of_Regents_of_the_University_of_OklahomaHow in the world is the NCAA supposed to police what conferences schools choose to affiliate with? I understand the anger, but the target feels completely misplaced. If anything, crying to congress is exactly what the NCAA should be doing, because they have no power. If he's complaining about the Jim Harbaugh violations - which it feels like he is - that's all the toothless NCAA can go after now. They have been defanged at every turn. Give the NCAA some real teeth, like they used to have under Walter Byers, and watch the real complaints begin. If the NCAA had the power to dictate which conferences schools remain in, it would be the end of the NCAA. Full stop. Personally, I'm disappointed in this twitter (X?) thread. I'm assuming he's a smart man, but this thread is not evidence of it. The NCAA has been made powerless when it comes to Conference affiliation. I'm not a lawyer but it seems clear that any attempt to halt the consolidation that has occurred the last 30 years or so would have been met lawsuits. Lawsuits that they would have probably lost based on Anti-trust law. I place blame on the college presidents and boards who were unwilling to resist network interference in college sports. Link to other lawsuits limiting the NCAA |
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Post by HappyVolley on Aug 8, 2023 9:26:14 GMT -5
This Twitter thread is from a University of Michigan regent. It is worth the time to read. I don't understand. What was the NCAA supposed to do? I'm assuming Jordan Acker as an attorney and Michigan regent has heard of this? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_v._Board_of_Regents_of_the_University_of_OklahomaHow in the world is the NCAA supposed to police what conferences schools choose to affiliate with? I understand the anger, but the target feels completely misplaced. If anything, crying to congress is exactly what the NCAA should be doing, because they have no power. If he's complaining about the Jim Harbaugh violations - which it feels like he is - that's all the toothless NCAA can go after now. They have been defanged at every turn. Give the NCAA some real teeth, like they used to have under Walter Byers, and watch the real complaints begin. If the NCAA had the power to dictate which conferences schools remain in, it would be the end of the NCAA. Full stop. Personally, I'm disappointed in this twitter (X?) thread. I'm assuming he's a smart man, but this thread is not evidence of it. I don't see any evidence that he's complaining about the Harbaugh violations. He probably is unhappy with the sanctions (just a guess), but that really was not the point of his post. |
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 8, 2023 9:55:21 GMT -5
I don't understand. What was the NCAA supposed to do? I'm assuming Jordan Acker as an attorney and Michigan regent has heard of this? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_v._Board_of_Regents_of_the_University_of_OklahomaHow in the world is the NCAA supposed to police what conferences schools choose to affiliate with? I understand the anger, but the target feels completely misplaced. If anything, crying to congress is exactly what the NCAA should be doing, because they have no power. If he's complaining about the Jim Harbaugh violations - which it feels like he is - that's all the toothless NCAA can go after now. They have been defanged at every turn. Give the NCAA some real teeth, like they used to have under Walter Byers, and watch the real complaints begin. If the NCAA had the power to dictate which conferences schools remain in, it would be the end of the NCAA. Full stop. Personally, I'm disappointed in this twitter (X?) thread. I'm assuming he's a smart man, but this thread is not evidence of it. The NCAA has been made powerless when it comes to Conference affiliation. I'm not a lawyer but it seems clear that any attempt to halt the consolidation that has occurred the last 30 years or so would have been met lawsuits. Lawsuits that they would have probably lost based on Anti-trust law. I place blame on the college presidents and boards who were unwilling to resist network interference in college sports. Link to other lawsuits limiting the NCAAThe NCAA is largely powerless, period. That is by design, by the institutions, who don't want them to have meaningful authority over their institutions. To then complain that they aren't taking over and wielding the power they were never given, is disingenuous at best. |
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Post by horns1 on Aug 8, 2023 9:59:14 GMT -5
Interesting response from Missouri football coach. He makes some very good points I have not heard him speak before, and I don't know his background. But, he starts by comparing conference realignment (timeline) to the transfer portal deadline and being closed; he says it appears adults can do whatever they want. Guess he doesn't know that conference realignment changes typically provide 1-2 years advance notice; the transfer portal does not. And, most of us have compared the transfer portal and student-athletes moving around to coaching changes. Someone should have asked him his opinion on coaches leaving one job for another with pretty much zero advance notice mainly for a higher salary. |
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 8, 2023 10:14:34 GMT -5
The more I think about Stanford and Cal to the ACC, the more I think it could be a decent move. It wouldn't add that much travel for existing ACC schools (similar to the Big Ten when it was just USC and UCLA--one trip per year and play both in sports like volleyball). It would give Stanford and Cal stability and has to be preferable to being in the Mountain West or a Pac-4/MWC merger. This would also allow Stanford to stay relevant in volleyball and other sports.
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Post by oldnewbie on Aug 8, 2023 10:20:15 GMT -5
Interesting response from Missouri football coach. He makes some very good points I have not heard him speak before, and I don't know his background. But, he starts by comparing conference realignment (timeline) to the transfer portal deadline and being closed; he says it appears adults can do whatever they want. Guess he doesn't know that conference realignment changes typically provide 1-2 years advance notice; the transfer portal does not. And, most of us have compared the transfer portal and student-athletes moving around to coaching changes. Someone should have asked him his opinion on coaches leaving one job for another with pretty much zero advance notice mainly for a higher salary. Are you really arguing that the impact of realignment is less because it takes one or two seasons to take effect instead of between seasons? I'm not seeing your point. Yes, coaching changes are often mentioned in conjunction with the portal, and while coaches suddenly leaving is usually to move up to a bigger better paying job, he is completely correct that neither when coaches pursue more money nor when the Universities pursue more money through realignment does anybody give a thought to the impact on the athletes or in sharing some of that windfall with the athletes. |
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Post by NYCHusker on Aug 8, 2023 10:20:58 GMT -5
I don't understand. What was the NCAA supposed to do? I'm assuming Jordan Acker as an attorney and Michigan regent has heard of this? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_v._Board_of_Regents_of_the_University_of_OklahomaHow in the world is the NCAA supposed to police what conferences schools choose to affiliate with? I understand the anger, but the target feels completely misplaced. If anything, crying to congress is exactly what the NCAA should be doing, because they have no power. If he's complaining about the Jim Harbaugh violations - which it feels like he is - that's all the toothless NCAA can go after now. They have been defanged at every turn. Give the NCAA some real teeth, like they used to have under Walter Byers, and watch the real complaints begin. If the NCAA had the power to dictate which conferences schools remain in, it would be the end of the NCAA. Full stop. Personally, I'm disappointed in this twitter (X?) thread. I'm assuming he's a smart man, but this thread is not evidence of it. I don't see any evidence that he's complaining about the Harbaugh violations. He probably is unhappy with the sanctions (just a guess), but that really was not the point of his post. There's probably a little bite of whining about the Harbaugh suspension hidden in his agenda here, but overall, I think he's just making a point about the lack of power the NCAA has in this situation. The reality of the situation is that there was really nothing they could do here, but in a better world, there SHOULD have have been something they could do. The whole point of the NCAA is to be a governing body across college sports that keeps things fair. This entire situation is an obvious affront to that fairness, so the irony that the NCAA isn't able to step in is what's on blast, imo. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 8, 2023 10:21:44 GMT -5
I don't really see what's in it for the ACC to add Stanford/Cal. Just grabbing schools to grab schools?
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 8, 2023 10:23:28 GMT -5
I don't really see what's in it for the ACC to add Stanford/Cal. Just grabbing schools to grab schools? Expands into California. Great academic brands. I don't know. Maybe it's not worth it, but I don't think it would be the worst move this round. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 8, 2023 10:27:07 GMT -5
I don't really see what's in it for the ACC to add Stanford/Cal. Just grabbing schools to grab schools? Expands into California. Great academic brands. I don't know. Maybe it's not worth it, but I don't think it would be the worst move this round. I think if those schools had real value to a serious conference they'd have been invited to one of the other conferences. Moving last and picking up the leftovers seems like a very ACC move. |
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