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Post by bbg95 on Aug 9, 2023 10:03:09 GMT -5
I don't think you need two schools in Arizona, and you really don't need two schools in Utah (at least the Arizona schools are in different markets, and there are a lot more people in Arizona than Utah). And rivalries can be played out of conference. Georgia and Georgia Tech have figured out how to play every year despite not being in the same conference. Same for Florida and Florida State. Etc. Utah is pretty good at football, but they don't have an especially impressive football brand, which is what really matters. Boise State has the second-highest winning percentage of the last 27 years, behind only Ohio State. That has not gotten them into a power conference. I also think there's an opportunity cost, as I believe the networks only approved up to four spots for expansion. Using all four on Mountain Time schools seems shortsighted to me. I'd rather have stopped at 14 and waited to see what happens with the ACC. Edit: Oh, and Utah and Arizona State also aren't even happy to be in the conference (for example, the ASU president already vowed to not go to Morgantown), which makes them different than every other school in the conference. I just don't think it was a good move. B12 consistent presence in the top 10 over the next 2 years - and then over the next 7-10 years may end up being critical. I believe the 12 team - 6 automatic bids (top 6 ranked conference winners) is locked in for 2024 and probably 2025. There will be changes after that for sure - and possibly before 2025 with all the realignment. Not saying that Utah will be a T10 over the next 3 years, but they have increased the chances for the Big 12 - as has going to 16 schools. B12 seat at the table isn't completely assured - and their relevance and long-term survival in terms of football is dependent on the degree of relevance. The B12 could have stopped at 12, but the addition of Colorado assured that they were going to have a minimum of 14. Once at this spot - their choice was to force Arizona to split from Arizona State or go with UConn. Maybe the conference would be better with 14 including Arizona and Colorado - but I think the conference is better with the new 16 vs. just having 14 with the additions of Colorado and UConn. So, where I don't see the addition of the last 3 as being great - I do think it is marginally better than any of the other options. The ASU President is a total idiot - and I don't think he represents the opinions of the coaches, players and fans. But I do agree that ASU and Utah didn't get off to a good start with the Big 12. Arizona had zero leverage once Washington and Oregon left. If they foolishly decided to stay, just take UConn and keep it moving. I just disagree that the conference is better with this 16 than 14. There will be more valuable schools in the ACC that become available at some point. And by having two schools in Utah and two schools in Arizona, you're kind of hamstringing all four of them because they will take recruits from each other. And they're now stuck with these schools forever. I just don't know what the rush was. What were the remaining Pac-12 schools going to do without Washington and Oregon? A group of Stanford, Cal, Arizona State, Utah, Oregon State, Washington State and maybe Arizona just will never be a serious threat to the Big 12. Edit: I think you're not paying attention if you think Utah in the Big 12 will be a consistent top 10 team. I'm confident that they won't be. The Pac-12 has been very weak lately, and Utah has taken advantage of that. They haven't beaten a P5 team out of conference since 2017. Look at their last two seasons: 2021: Beat FCS Weber State, lost to independent BYU, lost to MWC San Diego State, lost to Big 10 Ohio State (with like 30 Buckeyes skipping the bowl) 2022: Lost to SEC Florida (finished 6-7), beat FCS Southern Utah, beat MWC San Diego State (finished 7-6), dominated by Big 10 Penn State These are their consecutive Pac-12 titles that they keep bragging about. When you actually look at the results, it's not that impressive. Regardless, I just don't think it's worth adding a school because they might be top 10 every so often when there are so many negatives. Anyway, I think I've made my point on this by now. You don't have to agree, which is fine.
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Post by bluepenquin on Aug 9, 2023 10:27:14 GMT -5
I’m surprised we haven’t seen a savvy attorney challenge all of this based on Title IX. Are universities or conferences considering the impact on women? Seems like that was the intent of Title IX - make sure women and their sports have equal representation and opportunity. what I just moved on from the comment.
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Post by surfvolleypolojock77 on Aug 9, 2023 10:29:20 GMT -5
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Post by horns1 on Aug 10, 2023 10:12:04 GMT -5
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 10, 2023 10:28:09 GMT -5
What a goddamned mess.
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Post by knapplc on Aug 10, 2023 11:27:12 GMT -5
Funny how Notre Dame is championing Stanford joining the ACC. Why would they want that?
Because they're mandated to play five ACC games, but they want to hold on to their other rivalries. If Stanford becomes a conference game rather than OOC, they have more freedom to play Michigan, Sparty, etc.
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 10, 2023 14:27:01 GMT -5
To quote Deep Blue Sea... "Oh, not his. Ours." This is 100% mandamned.
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Post by horns1 on Aug 10, 2023 14:52:30 GMT -5
Funny how Notre Dame is championing Stanford joining the ACC. Why would they want that? Because they're mandated to play five ACC games, but they want to hold on to their other rivalries. If Stanford becomes a conference game rather than OOC, they have more freedom to play Michigan, Sparty, etc. Maybe. And, it benefits ND's SOS/RPI if Stanford's SOS/RPI is strong; won't be if they aren't playing at least eight or nine PF schools each season.
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Post by slxpress on Aug 10, 2023 16:28:17 GMT -5
Funny how Notre Dame is championing Stanford joining the ACC. Why would they want that? Because they're mandated to play five ACC games, but they want to hold on to their other rivalries. If Stanford becomes a conference game rather than OOC, they have more freedom to play Michigan, Sparty, etc. It could be as simple as the priests in charge of running Notre Dame have a great respect for Stanford and how they run their athletic programs. While not as strict as Stanford, Notre Dame sacrifices competitiveness in the name of academic integrity in a lot of ways, too. It doesn’t all have to be plots within plots. Sometimes it can just be about mutual respect between institutions. The fact is Stanford and Cal are two of the premier academic institutions in the country and there is some shame involved when the current configuration of major conferences won’t include them because their football programs don’t bring enough value. But the ACC has its own problems. I don’t know who the 4 or 5 schools who balked at the additions of Stanford and Cal are, but I feel certain 3 of them are Clemson, Florida State, and Miami.
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Post by n00b on Aug 10, 2023 18:06:36 GMT -5
Funny how Notre Dame is championing Stanford joining the ACC. Why would they want that? Because they're mandated to play five ACC games, but they want to hold on to their other rivalries. If Stanford becomes a conference game rather than OOC, they have more freedom to play Michigan, Sparty, etc. It could be as simple as the priests in charge of running Notre Dame have a great respect for Stanford and how they run their athletic programs. While not as strict as Stanford, Notre Dame sacrifices competitiveness in the name of academic integrity in a lot of ways, too. It doesn’t all have to be plots within plots. Sometimes it can just be about mutual respect between institutions. The fact is Stanford and Cal are two of the premier academic institutions in the country and there is some shame involved when the current configuration of major conferences won’t include them because their football programs don’t bring enough value. But the ACC has its own problems. I don’t know who the 4 or 5 schools who balked at the additions of Stanford and Cal are, but I feel certain 3 of them are Clemson, Florida State, and Miami. Yeah. I’m not sure why ACC schools WOULD be for their additions. All indications were that media revenue shares would decrease and obviously travel costs would go up. It’s a lose lose.
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Post by jagdpanther on Aug 10, 2023 19:41:27 GMT -5
Another well-done video:
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Post by surfvolleypolojock77 on Aug 10, 2023 20:04:54 GMT -5
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Post by surfvolleypolojock77 on Aug 10, 2023 20:10:03 GMT -5
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Post by mervinswerved on Aug 28, 2023 16:52:51 GMT -5
This is just about the most 2023 tweet possible.
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Post by bbg95 on Aug 28, 2023 17:32:39 GMT -5
Lol, I hadn't seen this before. That's Matt Mitchell of SEC Roll Call fame, which was consistently hilarious throughout the 2022 football season. I think my favorite line was when they asked what the "10" in Big Ten stood for, and the SEC said that's how long it's been since they've won a national championship.
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