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Post by dodger on Sept 1, 2023 11:24:43 GMT -5
Six; asked him a lot of uncomfortable questions that I semi regret now, because it obviously was a bit off putting to him as he wondered why in the world he would need to answer to me, which was not my intention. I just have a passion for this stuff and was genuinely interested in his thoughts. He was not as genuinely interested in providing them, however.“
What is an uncomfortable question??
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Post by lionsfan on Sept 1, 2023 11:32:19 GMT -5
So a hub in Dallas? Good thing they’re used to playing in front of no fans (/s) This whole thing is just incredibly stupid They should pick Lincoln...they would get more fans for sure! (Not kidding!)
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Post by vbnerd on Sept 1, 2023 11:34:18 GMT -5
I would be shocked if Stanford and Cal do not have escape clauses..............you need a prenup in this situation What leverage would Stanford and Cal have to negotiate such a thing? They're not USC or Notre Dame. I don't know this to be true, but logically, if you aren't taking a big check, your buy out shouldn't be that much.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2023 11:56:52 GMT -5
Desperate move by the ACC. Smell some changes big coming from that area.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 1, 2023 12:14:26 GMT -5
Six; asked him a lot of uncomfortable questions that I semi regret now, because it obviously was a bit off putting to him as he wondered why in the world he would need to answer to me, which was not my intention. I just have a passion for this stuff and was genuinely interested in his thoughts. He was not as genuinely interested in providing them, however.“ What is an uncomfortable question?? “How much friction is there between the academic side and the athletic department?” “What are the chances of getting or increasing waivers for talented players who don’t fit the ideal profile for a Rice student?” “How much of a priority is there for winning versus other criteria for head coaches?” “What kind of things would you have done differently at Vanderbilt to make them more competitive in the SEC if you had been athletic director?” There were a few others, but these are good examples. Understand I am a firm believer that success in athletics can benefit the school as a whole in ways that go beyond bringing in revenue. I’ve watched UH move from being a commuter school to more of a research university with a lot more on campus housing. Athletics has helped increase the bond between alumni and the university in ways that has had a palpable effect on engagement and fundraising. Rice is a different animal, but there is an appetite for locals to support success. I witnessed a huge outpouring at the USC volleyball match from the African American community who came to support Skylar Fields, but cheered for Rice (although admittedly a large portion cheered for USC). I also am a passionate believer in the value sports brings to people, whether individual or team sports. I’m particularly passionate about the value for young women, where genetics and socialization funnel them into finding their identity through how attractive they are to men. Sports gives a great outlet for an alternative healthy way to create an identity away from those pressures. So I was able to successfully convey that as well. But I’m not a big donor to Rice athletics and I’m not going to become one. Our family has donated quite a bit to the chemical engineering department, and my stepfather was on the Dean’s advisory group, but my primary affiliation is with UT, and he was well aware of that. I just think I could have handled the whole encounter better. I’m not going to lose any sleep over it, and it came from a good place, but in retrospect I should have kept many of my questions to myself. I don’t have any right to know. I was just genuinely curious and so I asked.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 1, 2023 13:07:38 GMT -5
It would be extremely funny if Clemson and Florida State under achieved in football the next few years and missed out on all that extra cash.
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Post by skullars on Sept 1, 2023 13:26:20 GMT -5
The name of conferences is a result of their origins, not a legal mandate that it has to make sense. I completely agree that due to geographic distance, it's fairly ridiculous to have Cal and Stanford in the ACC. But the name thing just doesn't matter to me. Sure, in legit ways, it makes sense to rename. But, sports fans can reset everything in their heads pretty quick, so they can automatically recall that the ACC is the previous ACC plus the additional schools. Would cost $ to change the name for sure (marketing materials, merchandise, logos on desk calendars, et al) but with all the realignment both recent and potential future, it might make sense to do away with the regional designations in conferences. I'd rather not explain to my fictional grandkids one day why something called the "ACC" contains schools of higher education from around the nation. There are new sports fans being born as we speak, after all, and will have no recollection of "the old ACC". But this is all about sports. And sports fans aren't always the most discerning of a population. As of August 2024 therefore I will choose the "ALL Coast Conference"*! * "and some of Texas"
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 1, 2023 13:47:11 GMT -5
What leverage would Stanford and Cal have to negotiate such a thing? They're not USC or Notre Dame. I don't know this to be true, but logically, if you aren't taking a big check, your buy out shouldn't be that much. I guess. They have almost no leverage in this negotiation, which is why they're starting at 30%. The Big Ten isn't coming. The Big 12 isn't coming. The SEC definitely isn't coming. And the buyout is not the same thing as the grant of rights, which is the real issue. If it was just a matter of paying the buyout, I'm pretty sure Florida State, Clemson, etc. would have left already. But the grant of rights says the ACC owns their media rights until 2036.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 1, 2023 14:10:21 GMT -5
The name of conferences is a result of their origins, not a legal mandate that it has to make sense. I completely agree that due to geographic distance, it's fairly ridiculous to have Cal and Stanford in the ACC. But the name thing just doesn't matter to me. Sure, in legit ways, it makes sense to rename. But, sports fans can reset everything in their heads pretty quick, so they can automatically recall that the ACC is the previous ACC plus the additional schools. Would cost $ to change the name for sure (marketing materials, merchandise, logos on desk calendars, et al) but with all the realignment both recent and potential future, it might make sense to do away with the regional designations in conferences. I'd rather not explain to my fictional grandkids one day why something called the "ACC" contains schools of higher education from around the nation. There are new sports fans being born as we speak, after all, and will have no recollection of "the old ACC". But this is all about sports. And sports fans aren't always the most discerning of a population. As of August 2024 therefore I will choose the "ALL Coast Conference"*! * "and some of Texas"We actually call ourselves The Third Coast so it still works. A bit of a stretch for SMU, but no more than Louisville.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 1, 2023 14:17:53 GMT -5
Would cost $ to change the name for sure (marketing materials, merchandise, logos on desk calendars, et al) but with all the realignment both recent and potential future, it might make sense to do away with the regional designations in conferences. I'd rather not explain to my fictional grandkids one day why something called the "ACC" contains schools of higher education from around the nation. There are new sports fans being born as we speak, after all, and will have no recollection of "the old ACC". But this is all about sports. And sports fans aren't always the most discerning of a population. As of August 2024 therefore I will choose the "ALL Coast Conference"*! * "and some of Texas"We actually call ourselves The Third Coast so it still works. A bit of a stretch for SMU, but no more than Louisville. I mean, Texas is on the Gulf of Mexico (granted, Dallas isn't that close to the coast, as you said), so that checks out. I don't remember ever hearing "The Third Coast" when I was living in Houston, but I was pretty young at the time, so maybe I just wasn't aware.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 1, 2023 14:18:16 GMT -5
I don't know this to be true, but logically, if you aren't taking a big check, your buy out shouldn't be that much. I guess. They have almost no leverage in this negotiation, which is why they're starting at 30%. The Big Ten isn't coming. The Big 12 isn't coming. The SEC definitely isn't coming. And the buyout is not the same thing as the grant of rights, which is the real issue. If it was just a matter of paying the buyout, I'm pretty sure Florida State, Clemson, etc. would have left already. But the grant of rights says the ACC owns their media rights until 2036. Honestly the ACC is a much better fit for Stanford and Cal than the Big 12. I know people say academics don't matter and that it's all about football, but sometimes they do. The ACC has Virginia, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, and Notre Dame, all of whom they can look to somewhat as peer schools. There are some others that are right there as well. Who is the best academic school in the Big 12 at this point? Iowa State? Kansas? Colorado? Is it BYU? I honestly don't know. I just know Stanford and Cal aren't going to consider any of those schools peers the way they will the schools I listed above. And if there's anything I know about Stanford and Cal, is that they're very snooty about their academic pedigrees. Not saying they didn't earn it, because they have, but they wear it on their sleeve in a lot of these conference affiliation conversations historically. I think towards the end there both Stanford and Cal were willing to do anything to get into the Big 12, but they would have been holding their noses while doing so. I'd bet dollars to donuts the academics are relieved to be going to the ACC and not the Big 12.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 1, 2023 14:19:18 GMT -5
We actually call ourselves The Third Coast so it still works. A bit of a stretch for SMU, but no more than Louisville. I mean, Texas is on the Gulf of Mexico (granted, Dallas isn't that close to the coast, as you said), so that checks out. I don't remember every hearing "The Third Coast" when I was living in Houston, but I was pretty young at the time, so maybe I just wasn't aware. It's not all the time. I mostly hear it in Austin. It's a marketing thing as much as anything. I'd say it's specifically about trying to bring in more film and TV work to the state. Google search for Third Coast in Houston
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 1, 2023 14:24:08 GMT -5
I guess. They have almost no leverage in this negotiation, which is why they're starting at 30%. The Big Ten isn't coming. The Big 12 isn't coming. The SEC definitely isn't coming. And the buyout is not the same thing as the grant of rights, which is the real issue. If it was just a matter of paying the buyout, I'm pretty sure Florida State, Clemson, etc. would have left already. But the grant of rights says the ACC owns their media rights until 2036. Honestly the ACC is a much better fit for Stanford and Cal than the Big 12. I know people say academics don't matter and that it's all about football, but sometimes they do. The ACC has Virginia, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, and Notre Dame, all of whom they can look to somewhat as peer schools. There are some others that are right there as well. Who is the best academic school in the Big 12 at this point? Iowa State? Kansas? Colorado? Is it BYU? I honestly don't know. I just know Stanford and Cal aren't going to consider any of those schools peers the way they will the schools I listed above. And if there's anything I know about Stanford and Cal, is that they're very snooty about their academic pedigrees. Not saying they didn't earn it, because they have, but they wear it on their sleeve in a lot of these conference affiliation conversations historically. I think towards the end there both Stanford and Cal were willing to do anything to get into the Big 12, but they would have been holding their noses while doing so. I'd bet dollars to donuts the academics are relieved to be going to the ACC and not the Big 12. Yeah, I don't really disagree with any of this. I'm skeptical that the Big 12 was ever truly interested, and the preference of Stanford and Cal for the ACC likely undermined whatever leverage they had. It seems like one of those schools leaked the notion that the Big 12 was interested to try to get better terms with the ACC, but then Brett McMurphy shot that down. I think this move is actually pretty decent for the schools and for the ACC.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 1, 2023 14:25:55 GMT -5
I mean, Texas is on the Gulf of Mexico (granted, Dallas isn't that close to the coast, as you said), so that checks out. I don't remember every hearing "The Third Coast" when I was living in Houston, but I was pretty young at the time, so maybe I just wasn't aware. It's not all the time. I mostly hear it in Austin. It's a marketing thing as much as anything. I'd say it's specifically about trying to bring in more film and TV work to the state. Google search for Third Coast in HoustonI just looked it up on Wikipedia, and apparently the Great Lakes region also refers to itself as "The Third Coast." Since you mentioned movies and TV, Wikipedia also notes that "The Third Coast" refers to areas where a lot of films and TV shows are produced that aren't in New York or Hollywood.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 1, 2023 14:34:39 GMT -5
It's not all the time. I mostly hear it in Austin. It's a marketing thing as much as anything. I'd say it's specifically about trying to bring in more film and TV work to the state. Google search for Third Coast in HoustonI just looked it up on Wikipedia, and apparently the Great Lakes region also refers to itself as "The Third Coast." Since you mentioned movies and TV, Wikipedia also notes that "The Third Coast" refers to areas where a lot of films and TV shows are produced that aren't in New York or Hollywood. There you go. I wasn't aware of any of that. If I saw someone else calling themselves The Third Coast, I'd think, "Hey, that's our thing!" I've heard that same expression used for Texas since the 80s. But I have no idea who first originated it. I like to think everything happens in Texas first, and sometimes insist on it even when it's not true, but I genuinely don't know.
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