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Post by tomclen on Sept 1, 2023 10:32:18 GMT -5
Great, let's completely ruin volleyball and a few other sports just to get more football money. That's hilarious! As if residents in the Dallas-Fort Worth area gonna pay to attend games involving no regional teams, but instead the likes of Stanford, Cal, Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh, and Miami. I don't know who Cal Chancellor Carol Christ is, but if Cal Chancellor Carol Christ actually said this, then it explains a lot about why we are in this realignment mess. I guess you can be very well educated and still not be very smart.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Sept 1, 2023 10:37:57 GMT -5
So a hub in Dallas?
Good thing they’re used to playing in front of no fans (/s)
This whole thing is just incredibly stupid
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 1, 2023 10:39:49 GMT -5
I will be surprised if this arrangement lasts even five years.
Not just the ACC, the whole thing.
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Post by vbnerd on Sept 1, 2023 10:46:30 GMT -5
Great, let's completely ruin volleyball and a few other sports just to get more football money. That's hilarious! As if residents in the Dallas-Fort Worth area gonna pay to attend games involving no regional teams, but instead the likes of Stanford, Cal, Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh, and Miami. Syracuse won the national title in men's soccer last year and a couple years ago in field hockey, and I'm not 100% sure on this but I don't think they sell tickets to their games in either sport. Their ticketing website only has basketball, football and Lacrosse. Wake Forrest ticketing site has football, basketball, soccer and baseball. Virginia Tech's ticketing site touts free admission for 11 teams. So if you are not going to sell tickets at home, what's the difference? Better weather. Collectively reduced travel and officiating bills. I'm sure we are talking more about golf, tennis, cross country, etc than volleyball, unless a few schools opt to meet in a neutral site for a week to cut costs.
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Post by mibadger on Sept 1, 2023 10:51:33 GMT -5
I will be surprised if this arrangement lasts even five years. Not just the ACC, the whole thing. It’ll be interesting. I could see at some point basketball and football breaking away from other sports. Could also see that at some point the ncaa actually grows a pair and has a commissioner and the ncaa takes over all tv deals and realigns everyone. Well the top power 5 teams anyway. Like breaks them into 4 or conferences of 16 each. NIL as an answer isn’t working. These schools need to just get on board with paying the athletes a living wage. I mean they are the one creating the product that lots of people are profiting from except them. Yes they get their school paid for. But they are bringing in much more money than that to the big time schools.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 1, 2023 10:51:41 GMT -5
That's hilarious! As if residents in the Dallas-Fort Worth area gonna pay to attend games involving no regional teams, but instead the likes of Stanford, Cal, Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh, and Miami. I don't know who Cal Chancellor Carol Christ is, but if Cal Chancellor Carol Christ actually said this, then it explains a lot about why we are in this realignment mess. I guess you can be very well educated and still not be very smart.This describes a lot of people, lol.
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Post by bigfan on Sept 1, 2023 10:52:24 GMT -5
This tells me Stanford and Cal will be in the ACC for less than 5 years. This is a temporary fix as things will continue to be reshuffled. The end game will be super conferences for football only with all other sports returning to their original regional conferences somewhere down the road. I'm pretty sure they have to sign the ACC grant of rights. So they'll be there until 2036 unless the other schools find a way out. I would be shocked if Stanford and Cal do not have escape clauses..............you need a prenup in this situation
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 1, 2023 10:53:24 GMT -5
I will be surprised if this arrangement lasts even five years. Not just the ACC, the whole thing. I mean, if they sign the grant of rights, I'd take the over.
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Post by bigfan on Sept 1, 2023 10:53:57 GMT -5
These athletes are gonna be tired from traveling Travel is going to be terrible.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 1, 2023 10:54:08 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they have to sign the ACC grant of rights. So they'll be there until 2036 unless the other schools find a way out. I would be shocked if Stanford and Cal do not have escape clauses..............you need a prenup in this situation What leverage would Stanford and Cal have to negotiate such a thing? They're not USC or Notre Dame.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Sept 1, 2023 10:58:59 GMT -5
ACC announcement coming later today on name change
will become the WTF conference
can't believe this will help recruiting for Cal & Stanford, academics were always a draw, now the travel is a big huge issue. I can see some elite academic athletes questioning these east coast trips in some Olympic sports. Golf, T&F events that have conf tournies one time, not a big deal
plus USC, UCLA, Stan, Cal - now with all the conf travel, they are gonna expect all teh other western schools to kiss their arse now and play all non-conf matches at their sites.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 1, 2023 11:01:04 GMT -5
I will be surprised if this arrangement lasts even five years. Not just the ACC, the whole thing. I mean, if they sign the grant of rights, I'd take the over. Something is going to break in the near term, I think. This move is just a ponzi scheme trying to pay off Clemson and FSU and it's not going to be sustainable.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 1, 2023 11:08:16 GMT -5
Good points. It just seems like a crazy loophole which allows the ACC to add a bunch of schools who forgo media rights for the privilege of joining the ACC. That adds to the payout for the remaining schools without increasing the revenue for ESPN. But in this case you’re right. The deal is still such a sweetheart deal for ESPN. But I bet they don’t make a similar agreement in the future. Didn't ESPN have a similar agreement with the Big 12, which is why they were exploring expansion around 2016 until ESPN just gave them more money to not expand? At least that was my understanding when they basically did a bunch of interviews and then told everyone no thanks. I don’t know. You could be right. I just know Texas wasn’t interested in any of the options. UH in particular felt backstabbed because they thought they had a gentleman’s agreement with UT to garner their support for Big 12 admission, then they found out UT is no gentleman.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 1, 2023 11:18:55 GMT -5
So with SMU getting into the ACC, I believe it's just Oregon State, Washington State, Rice and USF that have been sort of permanently relegated from a power conference after the deaths of the Southwest, old Big East and Pac-12. And maybe those schools will find their way back someday. Though of those four, I would like the chances for USF and Rice more just due to their more favorable geography compared to Oregon State and Washington State. I had a chance to talk to the new athletic director for Rice recently, Tommy McClelland. He was a deputy director for Vanderbilt previously. Super sharp guy. Very ambitious. At 26 was the youngest athletic director in the country. He feels confident he can help create a transformative situation in athletics at Rice. It’s obvious he’s about to embark on a massive fundraising campaign, because that’s part of what he’s known for. He says with the new president and the new board of regents there’s a commitment to athletics that hasn’t been there before, which is the only reason he took the job. I asked him a lot of uncomfortable questions that I semi regret now, because it obviously was a bit off putting to him as he wondered why in the world he would need to answer to me, which was not my intention. I just have a passion for this stuff and was genuinely interested in his thoughts. He was not as genuinely interested in providing them, however. In any case, he has big plans, that much is obvious. I’ll be interested to see how much of a difference he’s able to make.
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Post by vbcoltrane on Sept 1, 2023 11:20:45 GMT -5
The name of conferences is a result of their origins, not a legal mandate that it has to make sense. I completely agree that due to geographic distance, it's fairly ridiculous to have Cal and Stanford in the ACC. But the name thing just doesn't matter to me. Sure, in legit ways, it makes sense to rename. But, sports fans can reset everything in their heads pretty quick, so they can automatically recall that the ACC is the previous ACC plus the additional schools.
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