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Post by buckypete on Sept 1, 2023 9:41:21 GMT -5
NC State flipped to make it happen. They were the most likely to flip, but wasn't sure if they would be tied to UNC (I guess they weren't). Wow. NC State was the logical flip out of self-preservation; if/when the ACC folded they were potentially looking at an Oregon State/Washington State situation themselves. Better to support the strengthening of what you've got now.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 1, 2023 9:44:45 GMT -5
Thanks, bigfan! Man, UNC, FSU, and Clemson cannot be happy about this. I guess the rest of the schools feel like they’re going to lose them eventually anyway. Probably the best move if that’s the case. I think a key was/is - if the ACC were to fall below 15 schools - ESPN reserved the right to renegotiate their contract with the ACC. Given the threats from a couple schools leaving, that may have united enough of the ACC to expand and avoid that headache down the road. I don't think ESPN wants to renegotiate a contract with the ACC - but if somehow Florida State, Clemson, and UNC were able to bolt - darn right ESPN is renegotiating and not for the good of the rest of the conference including NC State. Good points. It just seems like a crazy loophole which allows the ACC to add a bunch of schools who forgo media rights for the privilege of joining the ACC. That adds to the payout for the remaining schools without increasing the revenue for ESPN. But in this case you’re right. The deal is still such a sweetheart deal for ESPN. But I bet they don’t make a similar agreement in the future.
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Post by BigDigEnergy on Sept 1, 2023 9:45:20 GMT -5
Thanks, bigfan! Man, UNC, FSU, and Clemson cannot be happy about this. I guess the rest of the schools feel like they’re going to lose them eventually anyway. Probably the best move if that’s the case. I think a key was/is - if the ACC were to fall below 15 schools - ESPN reserved the right to renegotiate their contract with the ACC. Given the threats from a couple schools leaving, that may have united enough of the ACC to expand and avoid that headache down the road. I don't think ESPN wants to renegotiate a contract with the ACC - but if somehow Florida State, Clemson, and UNC were able to bolt - darn right ESPN is renegotiating and not for the good of the rest of the conference including NC State. I agree that this is the key here. I would not be surprised that some of the schools will be leaving the ACC in the next few years.
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Post by slxpress on Sept 1, 2023 9:46:30 GMT -5
gostanford.com/news/2023/8/17/athletics-2023-hall-of-fame-class.aspxNext logical step after all the realignments are finalized must be conference renaming. A world where Cal Berkley, SMU, & Stanford belong to something called the "Atlantic Coast Conference" is far too wack-a-doodle for people of logic and reason to accept. Must correct the other nonsensical monikers as well. As an ACC fan I feel for the athletes that will be making cross-country trips but also am excited about the CA schools visiting our east coast schools and getting to watch in person. Is this a parody post? I don’t think logic and reason have much to do with any of this.
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Post by bluepenquin on Sept 1, 2023 9:51:41 GMT -5
I think a key was/is - if the ACC were to fall below 15 schools - ESPN reserved the right to renegotiate their contract with the ACC. Given the threats from a couple schools leaving, that may have united enough of the ACC to expand and avoid that headache down the road. I don't think ESPN wants to renegotiate a contract with the ACC - but if somehow Florida State, Clemson, and UNC were able to bolt - darn right ESPN is renegotiating and not for the good of the rest of the conference including NC State. Good points. It just seems like a crazy loophole which allows the ACC to add a bunch of schools who forgo media rights for the privilege of joining the ACC. That adds to the payout for the remaining schools without increasing the revenue for ESPN. But in this case you’re right. The deal is still such a sweetheart deal for ESPN. But I bet they don’t make a similar agreement in the future. Yeah - I am not sure what is in this for ESPN (they aren't stupid all the time, so I suspect they make out well with this?). I think we now know what the rest of the ACC got out of this - and it makes sense. By the time Stanford and Cal become full $ members - the ACC will likely no longer exist as we know it. I do think this helps keep the ACC around for another 10 years and that is important to most of the schools in the conference. Wierd dynamics here - not having unity on something this big - seems like a big deal.
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Post by bigfan on Sept 1, 2023 9:53:31 GMT -5
For Stanford and Cal, it will be 30 percent of a whole ACC share for the next seven years. That number will jump to 70 percent in year eight, 75 percent in year nine and then they'll both receive full financial shares in the tenth year, per reports. SMU must have money to burn and Cal’s athletic department budget woes are likely to get worse. This tells me Stanford and Cal will be in the ACC for less than 5 years. This is a temporary fix as things will continue to be reshuffled. The end game will be super conferences for football only with all other sports returning to their original regional conferences somewhere down the road.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 1, 2023 9:56:14 GMT -5
For Stanford and Cal, it will be 30 percent of a whole ACC share for the next seven years. That number will jump to 70 percent in year eight, 75 percent in year nine and then they'll both receive full financial shares in the tenth year, per reports. SMU must have money to burn and Cal’s athletic department budget woes are likely to get worse. This tells me Stanford and Cal will be in the ACC for less than 5 years. This is a temporary fix as things will continue to be reshuffled. The end game will be super conferences for football only with all other sports returning to their original regional conferences somewhere down the road. I'm pretty sure they have to sign the ACC grant of rights. So they'll be there until 2036 unless the other schools find a way out.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 1, 2023 9:59:09 GMT -5
I think a key was/is - if the ACC were to fall below 15 schools - ESPN reserved the right to renegotiate their contract with the ACC. Given the threats from a couple schools leaving, that may have united enough of the ACC to expand and avoid that headache down the road. I don't think ESPN wants to renegotiate a contract with the ACC - but if somehow Florida State, Clemson, and UNC were able to bolt - darn right ESPN is renegotiating and not for the good of the rest of the conference including NC State. Good points. It just seems like a crazy loophole which allows the ACC to add a bunch of schools who forgo media rights for the privilege of joining the ACC. That adds to the payout for the remaining schools without increasing the revenue for ESPN. But in this case you’re right. The deal is still such a sweetheart deal for ESPN. But I bet they don’t make a similar agreement in the future. Didn't ESPN have a similar agreement with the Big 12, which is why they were exploring expansion around 2016 until ESPN just gave them more money to not expand? At least that was my understanding when they basically did a bunch of interviews and then told everyone no thanks.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 1, 2023 10:06:15 GMT -5
For Stanford and Cal, it will be 30 percent of a whole ACC share for the next seven years. That number will jump to 70 percent in year eight, 75 percent in year nine and then they'll both receive full financial shares in the tenth year, per reports. SMU must have money to burn and Cal’s athletic department budget woes are likely to get worse. SMU does not care about the money because they have rich boosters. There was a quote from one a month or so ago that said something about the AAC buyout along the lines of, "Just send us the bill. Hasta la vista." SMU got relegated when the SWC died, so they just want to be in a power conference. Stanford also has a lot of money and can survive the lower revenue. If they want to remain truly competitive in sports like women's volleyball and women's soccer, they really had to find their way into a power conference. As for Cal, it's not great, but the alternatives were worse. They also do have the "Calimony" that UCLA will have to pay them. I believe that was up to $10 million per year, and I suspect the UC regents will make them pay the full amount.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 1, 2023 10:13:28 GMT -5
OMG
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Post by tomclen on Sept 1, 2023 10:18:10 GMT -5
Great, let's completely ruin volleyball and a few other sports just to get more football money.
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Post by trojansc on Sept 1, 2023 10:20:12 GMT -5
Haters. Everyone loves the SWAC Round up!
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 1, 2023 10:23:58 GMT -5
So with SMU getting into the ACC, I believe it's just Oregon State, Washington State, Rice and USF that have been sort of permanently relegated from a power conference after the deaths of the Southwest, old Big East and Pac-12. And maybe those schools will find their way back someday. Though of those four, I would like the chances for USF and Rice more just due to their more favorable geography compared to Oregon State and Washington State.
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Post by horns1 on Sept 1, 2023 10:26:42 GMT -5
Great, let's completely ruin volleyball and a few other sports just to get more football money. That's hilarious! As if residents in the Dallas-Fort Worth area gonna pay to attend games involving no regional teams, but instead the likes of Stanford, Cal, Syracuse, Boston College, Pittsburgh, and Miami. SMU doesn't even sponsor baseball or softball; so, doubt that's affected.
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Post by texashorns on Sept 1, 2023 10:32:08 GMT -5
These athletes are gonna be tired from traveling
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