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Post by Not Me on Sept 12, 2024 13:49:07 GMT -5
Is paying the MWC exit fees for a lateral move smart? The PAC is no longer a power conference and I don't think adding the schools they did is enough to get them back to that status. I’d bet the PAC- whatever is paying the exit fees. They have money left over as the teams that just left the conference left lots of $$ behind
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Post by bluepenquin on Sept 12, 2024 13:51:04 GMT -5
I do find it interesting that neither UNLV nor Air Force are on the current list to join the new Pac 12. UNLV, New Mexico, Air Force, and Hawaii all make sense to me, in addition to these four. No idea what the deal is, for only four. Although Hawaii might be a football only, and prefer to stay Big West for non-football?
Some ideas:
1) unlike the backstabbing Big Ten, maybe they didn't want to gut/destroy the Mountain West right here and now?
2) maybe those four schools were the only ones who could work things out right now with the internal politics of their university systems and/or state governments? (Or federal government in the case of Air Force)
3) maybe they're trying to coax or force the hand of Gonzaga? Pair them with Hawaii football-only?
4) strongly considering schools outside the MWC? Memphis, Tulane type schools?
5) seeing if they can get interest in any of Stanford, Cal to come back -OR- SMU to come over? The former, in particular if they decide being in the ACC isn't worth it for the travel already.
I doubt the new PAC has any issues with gut/destroy the MWC, they are playing for their own survival here. Anyone in the MWC would jump to join the new PAC if asked. The PAC is holding the cards here. Stopping at 6 for this one makes sense. They have to have 8 - so they will get 2 more no matter what. Option 1 is going to be trying to get Cal and Stanford back - but that could be difficult because I am not sure they can easily get out of the ACC. They then can be open to any 2 other schools to join if they don't get Stanford/Cal. They may not want to go past 8 and dilute what money they could get from TV. I don't think SMU would move (even if they could get out, but given the money they are receiving I don't know how they couldn't get out). They are looking at the long game, not short-term money. And staying in the ACC is better for their long term. I don't think the new PAC is going to in great shape, but it will be better than the MWC and the AAC - especially if they can get Stanford and Cal back.
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Post by gr8lakes on Sept 12, 2024 14:07:14 GMT -5
Cal and Stanford are never going to be in the same conference as Boise and Fresno.
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Post by thedudeabides21 on Sept 12, 2024 14:11:02 GMT -5
Is paying the MWC exit fees for a lateral move smart? The PAC is no longer a power conference and I don't think adding the schools they did is enough to get them back to that status. The new PAC will be better (more profitable and relevant) than the MWC. Also - the PAC still has P5 status, which the MWC doesn't. Oh okay, I thought I read that they no longer had P5 status. Which is what had me confused.
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Post by baytree on Sept 12, 2024 14:14:50 GMT -5
Less travel would help cal and stanford but they both rely greatly on their academic reputation and, as gr8lakes said, fresno and boise state are not it. for them, that was one of the big problems with the big 12 and this would be a step down from the big 12. Both also value the olympic sports and the level of competition would be a big concern. I know no one else cares but stanford is very proud of all their directors cups and winning at least one ncaa championship every year for the last 48 years. they want to play top level competition.
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Post by oldnewbie on Sept 12, 2024 14:30:08 GMT -5
I don't think the new PAC is going to in great shape, but it will be better than the MWC and the AAC - especially if they can get Stanford and Cal back. Why would either Cal or Stanford go back? They don't match the profile of any of those teams, and that matters to them.
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Post by Not Me on Sept 12, 2024 14:34:45 GMT -5
The new PAC will be better (more profitable and relevant) than the MWC. Also - the PAC still has P5 status, which the MWC doesn't. Oh okay, I thought I read that they no longer had P5 status. Which is what had me confused. They do not have P5 status or a playoff spot in football, which is all that matters.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Sept 12, 2024 14:56:50 GMT -5
UNLV, New Mexico, Air Force, and Hawaii all make sense to me, in addition to these four. No idea what the deal is, for only four. Although Hawaii might be a football only, and prefer to stay Big West for non-football?
Some ideas: 1) unlike the backstabbing Big Ten, maybe they didn't want to gut/destroy the Mountain West right here and now? 2) maybe those four schools were the only ones who could work things out right now with the internal politics of their university systems and/or state governments? (Or federal government in the case of Air Force) 3) maybe they're trying to coax or force the hand of Gonzaga? Pair them with Hawaii football-only? 4) strongly considering schools outside the MWC? Memphis, Tulane type schools? 5) seeing if they can get interest in any of Stanford, Cal to come back -OR- SMU to come over? The former, in particular if they decide being in the ACC isn't worth it for the travel already.
I doubt the new PAC has any issues with gut/destroy the MWC, they are playing for their own survival here. Anyone in the MWC would jump to join the new PAC if asked. The PAC is holding the cards here. Stopping at 6 for this one makes sense. They have to have 8 - so they will get 2 more no matter what. Option 1 is going to be trying to get Cal and Stanford back - but that could be difficult because I am not sure they can easily get out of the ACC. They then can be open to any 2 other schools to join if they don't get Stanford/Cal. They may not want to go past 8 and dilute what money they could get from TV. I don't think SMU would move (even if they could get out, but given the money they are receiving I don't know how they couldn't get out). They are looking at the long game, not short-term money. And staying in the ACC is better for their long term. I don't think the new PAC is going to in great shape, but it will be better than the MWC and the AAC - especially if they can get Stanford and Cal back. pretty sure UNLV was in teh discussion, that's a no brainer Air Force, New Mexico are questionable in terms of what they bring. no way they want New Mexico Hawaii is interesting. before Hawaii was not a significant enough academic fit plus the travel and media shortcomings. Now, the travel isn't as big a barrier, and the media market is maybe a better fit, but Hawaii may not be attractive if they also want to expand with 4-6 teams from Texas/East, which could interesting as having teams east of the Rockies in the Pac makes as much sense as Bay Area teams in the ACC. oh, wait!
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Post by bluepenquin on Sept 12, 2024 15:05:03 GMT -5
I don't think the new PAC is going to in great shape, but it will be better than the MWC and the AAC - especially if they can get Stanford and Cal back. Why would either Cal or Stanford go back? They don't match the profile of any of those teams, and that matters to them. I don't think they would/will - I just think the PAC started with 6 (not 8) so that that option could still be on the table. PAC 100% wants Stanford and Cal, but I doubt it goes the other way.
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Post by huskersoftroy on Sept 12, 2024 15:05:17 GMT -5
Exciting day for PAC fans! The conference still needs two more teams, add Hawaii and UNLV and it’s a party!
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 12, 2024 15:59:24 GMT -5
Why would either Cal or Stanford go back? They don't match the profile of any of those teams, and that matters to them. I don't think they would/will - I just think the PAC started with 6 (not 8) so that that option could still be on the table. PAC 100% wants Stanford and Cal, but I doubt it goes the other way. Staying at 6 is not on the table, because the NCAA requires 7+ in order to be defined as a D1 "multi-sport conference". To be an FBS conference, they need at least 8+ members. www.ncaapublications.com/p-4701-2024-2025-ncaa-division-i-manual.aspxThe PAC has a two-year grace period to get themselves back up to 8 members in order to remain as an FBS conference.
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Post by bluepenquin on Sept 12, 2024 16:15:20 GMT -5
I don't think they would/will - I just think the PAC started with 6 (not 8) so that that option could still be on the table. PAC 100% wants Stanford and Cal, but I doubt it goes the other way. Staying at 6 is not on the table, because the NCAA requires 7+ in order to be defined as a D1 "multi-sport conference". To be an FBS conference, they need at least 8+ members. www.ncaapublications.com/p-4701-2024-2025-ncaa-division-i-manual.aspxThe PAC has a two-year grace period to get themselves back up to 8 members in order to remain as an FBS conference. Correct - that is what I said (or thought I said, or was trying to say). They started with 6 in the hopes they can still get Stanford/Cal to make 8. They have time. If they cannot get them (likely), they have time to find the next 2. Being at 7 right now (if they brought in UNLV as the 5th MWC team to join) could limit their options for getting the 'best' 8 - they did it this way on purpose.
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 12, 2024 16:24:36 GMT -5
Oh okay, I thought I read that they no longer had P5 status. Which is what had me confused. They do not have P5 status or a playoff spot in football, which is all that matters. Nobody has an automatic playoff spot. The four highest ranked conference champions are the auto bids.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Sept 12, 2024 16:25:31 GMT -5
Exciting day for PAC fans! The conference still needs two more teams, add Hawaii and UNLV and it’s a party! so translation: exciting day for OSU and WSU fans (that was the Pac)
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Post by vbcoltrane on Sept 12, 2024 16:30:39 GMT -5
So the brand name is what's going to make this beneficial? - i.e., they can get more money from the next TV deal and overall because they have legacy brand name packaging, even if the contents are still essentially the same.
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