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Post by huskersoftroy on Sept 12, 2024 16:39:31 GMT -5
Exciting day for PAC fans! The conference still needs two more teams, add Hawaii and UNLV and it’s a party! so translation: exciting day for OSU and WSU fans (that was the Pac) Not true, the PAC as a conference genuinely has a fanbase (hence the outrage when it imploded). I’m sure there are a ton of people who would like to see a rebuilt PAC do well.
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Post by noblesol on Sept 12, 2024 19:10:43 GMT -5
PAC-8 is mandatory to remain FBS. The question is do they want to expand beyond eight. The answer is going to balance finances with security. If expansion stops at eight, the risk of being poached below eight remains palpable. Your predator or prey in the current landscape. Does the reconstitution of a PAC-10/12 mitigate that risk and lead to a stronger conference? My guess is that the coming PAC expansion will look beyond adding two more teams, to adding four or six.
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Post by Not Me on Sept 12, 2024 19:21:47 GMT -5
They do not have P5 status or a playoff spot in football, which is all that matters. Nobody has an automatic playoff spot. The four highest ranked conference champions are the auto bids. It’s the champs of the power 4 conferences that get the auto bids. If a group of 5 school somehow was too 4 ranked, they would be #5 in the playoffs.
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Post by twkpwrbtmlib on Sept 12, 2024 19:49:09 GMT -5
im still mourning pac volleyball😭😭😭
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Post by mervinswerved on Sept 12, 2024 20:55:57 GMT -5
Nobody has an automatic playoff spot. The four highest ranked conference champions are the auto bids. It’s the champs of the power 4 conferences that get the auto bids. If a group of 5 school somehow was too 4 ranked, they would be #5 in the playoffs. collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2024/5/29/12-team-format.aspx
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Post by Brutus Buckeye on Sept 12, 2024 22:20:52 GMT -5
PAC-8 is mandatory to remain FBS. The question is do they want to expand beyond eight. The answer is going to balance finances with security. If expansion stops at eight, the risk of being poached below eight remains palpable. Your predator or prey in the current landscape. Does the reconstitution of a PAC-10/12 mitigate that risk and lead to a stronger conference? My guess is that the coming PAC expansion will look beyond adding two more teams, to adding four or six. Who's going to poach any of these schools?
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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 13, 2024 1:11:52 GMT -5
So the brand name is what's going to make this beneficial? The brand name is valuable, yes.
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Post by ct94010 on Sept 13, 2024 2:28:03 GMT -5
You had a great post, thanks. I only want to nitpick this one bit, a little. There were four schools who were resistant to bringing in Stanford, Cal, and SMU. They were the aforementioned FSU, Clemson, and also North Carolina and Virginia. Eventually one of the schools changed their mind. Just to correct a factual misstatement - if you’re referring to the four “No” votes on ACC expansion, Virginia was a yes, the fourth No vote that changed to a yes vote was NC State. The theee no’s were FSU, Clemson and UNC.
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Sept 13, 2024 6:20:47 GMT -5
Next, in the hopes of keeping mostly in the Pacific time zone, a couple of WCC shools would be nice. For instance Gonzaga (BB, Academics) would be a good pickup. Bringing back Cal and UW would be nice additions as well.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 13, 2024 9:00:19 GMT -5
I'm gonna be honest. I think this new Pac-12 is on par with and perhaps worse than the original Mountain West. I'm not at all convinced that Washington State and Oregon State are better than BYU and Utah. And certainly by the time TCU joined in 2005, I think the MWC was just better than this new Pac-whatever. I'm a little sad for the remaining schools in the Mountain West, but I'm not really surprised. Conference realignment is a cutthroat game. I do think the Pac-6 is delusional if it thinks it will be treated like the ACC or Big 12, much less the SEC or Big Ten. It will be the best of the G5 conferences.
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Post by mplsgopher on Sept 13, 2024 9:20:47 GMT -5
I think they have to go east to pick up four from Rice, Texas State/UTSA, Tulane, Memphis and USF. Or try to get some former Pac 10 schools back. Stopping at 6 for this one makes sense. They have to have 8 - so they will get 2 more no matter what. Option 1 is going to be trying to get Cal and Stanford back - but that could be difficult because I am not sure they can easily get out of the ACC. They then can be open to any 2 other schools to join if they don't get Stanford/Cal. They may not want to go past 8 and dilute what money they could get from TV. I don't think SMU would move (even if they could get out, but given the money they are receiving I don't know how they couldn't get out). They are looking at the long game, not short-term money. And staying in the ACC is better for their long term. I don't think the new PAC is going to in great shape, but it will be better than the MWC and the AAC - especially if they can get Stanford and Cal back. Noted and I think you guys could easily be right, as far as further additions from the MWC are concerned (lowest priority). Will be interesting for sure. Yes, certainly the new PAC will be a step down from the new Big 12 and ACC confs. And that's fine. There still could be some value in being the highest ranked conf champion outside the big 4 confs. You don't get an auto top 4 seed, but you could be in line to get a first round host seed above some non-champion.
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Post by mplsgopher on Sept 13, 2024 9:23:46 GMT -5
I'm gonna be honest. I think this new Pac-12 is on par with and perhaps worse than the original Mountain West. I'm not at all convinced that Washington State and Oregon State are better than BYU and Utah. And the PAC at that time was better than the original MWC, at that time. What's the point of saying that? Both those structures are long gone.
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Post by mplsgopher on Sept 13, 2024 9:28:27 GMT -5
Nobody has an automatic playoff spot. The four highest ranked conference champions are the auto bids. It’s the champs of the power 4 conferences that get the auto bids. If a group of 5 school somehow was too 4 ranked, they would be #5 in the playoffs. Top 4 ranked conf champions are the top 4 seeds, no matter what conference. The 5th highest ranked conf champ is guaranteed a spot somewhere in the bracket, but no guarantee what number seed.
The PAC just has to be better than the MWC, AAC, MAC, and AAC.
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Post by bbg95 on Sept 13, 2024 9:29:13 GMT -5
I'm gonna be honest. I think this new Pac-12 is on par with and perhaps worse than the original Mountain West. I'm not at all convinced that Washington State and Oregon State are better than BYU and Utah. And the PAC at that time was better than the original MWC, at that time. What's the point of saying that? Both those structures are long gone. The point is that this is a G5 conference, not a P5 one.
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Post by mplsgopher on Sept 13, 2024 9:30:10 GMT -5
Agreed, it is a G5. Even if Cal and Stan came back, in terms of money per school and number of schools in the top 35 (including receiving votes), that conf would be at least a half-step down from the Big 12 and ACC.
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