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Post by mervinswerved on May 14, 2022 16:11:22 GMT -5
Mind you, ND only brings value to the ACC as a basketball member. Not a football member. So the buyout would be reflective of that lost value in men's basketball. Nothing more. They bring value from the mandatory five games a year they have to play against ACC schools. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 14, 2022 16:11:58 GMT -5
Mind you, ND only brings value to the ACC as a basketball member. Not a football member. So the buyout would be reflective of that lost value in men's basketball. Nothing more. No, that's not how it works. As part of Notre Dame's deal with the ACC, they have to play against five ACC teams every season. |
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Post by mervinswerved on May 14, 2022 16:14:45 GMT -5
Jinx
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Post by dizzydean on May 14, 2022 16:30:31 GMT -5
I think that’s probably bad. Sports would be dropped. BUT I have to think this would happen at the conference level, not nationally. I mean, that’s they model they seem to be moving to with everything, right? Letting conferences create more of their own rules? What would happen to the Ivy League? |
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Post by stevehorn on May 14, 2022 19:43:24 GMT -5
I think that’s probably bad. Sports would be dropped. BUT I have to think this would happen at the conference level, not nationally. I mean, that’s they model they seem to be moving to with everything, right? Letting conferences create more of their own rules? What would happen to the Ivy League? I would think there is an understanding with the Ivy League with what they need to do to maintain D1 status since they have never offered athletic scholarships. |
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Post by justahick on May 14, 2022 20:37:14 GMT -5
Maybe, or schools will drop down from d1. Right now, too many programs are trying to run on shoe-string budgets, with not enough coaches, not enough scholarship and inadequate facilities. These programs need to be forced to decide where they belong. There is a minimum number of total equivalencies over all sponsored sports that has to be met to be in DI.
That said, you're still correct. A lot of these low-majors are really doing nothing more than hoping they can be a St. Peter's in the big dance once in a while. They play in high-school level gyms.
If this is accurate, the minimum number has to be VERY low given how little funding some schools are providing in women's sports. |
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Post by n00b on May 14, 2022 20:42:00 GMT -5
There is a minimum number of total equivalencies over all sponsored sports that has to be met to be in DI. That said, you're still correct. A lot of these low-majors are really doing nothing more than hoping they can be a St. Peter's in the big dance once in a while. They play in high-school level gyms.
If this is accurate, the minimum number has to be VERY low given how little funding some schools are providing in women's sports. They’re providing the same amount for women as they are for men. If that’s untrue, somebody should sue. |
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Post by justahick on May 14, 2022 20:47:52 GMT -5
If this is accurate, the minimum number has to be VERY low given how little funding some schools are providing in women's sports. They’re providing the same amount for women as they are for men. If that’s untrue, somebody should sue. Yes, I knew somebody would point that out I should have been more clear. I know how little a few schools are spending on their women's sport that plus (assuming) equal amount on the men equals a very low bar. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 8:29:40 GMT -5
There is a minimum number of total equivalencies over all sponsored sports that has to be met to be in DI.
That said, you're still correct. A lot of these low-majors are really doing nothing more than hoping they can be a St. Peter's in the big dance once in a while. They play in high-school level gyms.
If this is accurate, the minimum number has to be VERY low given how little funding some schools are providing in women's sports.
Search for section 20.9.3.2 (it's on page 405). It gives a few different ways a DI school can meet the minimum financial aid critieria.
Also: - 20.9.3.2.7 gives essentially an exemption to this for Ivy League schools (maybe a few others qualify somewhere in DI as well?) - 20.9.6 shows that you must sponsor at least 7 men's sports + 7 women's, or 6 men/8 women, and you have to have two team sports per gender.
That's just the baseline of DI. There are additional requirements for FCS/FBS teams.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 8:44:51 GMT -5
Notre Dame doesn't *want* to be in a conference. In football, you meant, since they're already full members of the ACC. Agree that their boosters would choose football independence perpetually .... IF they can maintain national competitiveness with a reasonable chance to make the playoff/championship game. They've already stated that if the situation shifts where that goal can no longer reasonably be accomplished as an independent, they will join a conference in football. There's no reason for the ACC to let them out anyway. The grant of rights is locked in for another 13 years, unlike the Big XII, which expires in 2025. ND is not involved in the GoR for football. Self-evidently: every football home game was on a separate deal with NBC. Football rights is 95% of what matters. Men's basketball regular season TV is relatively worthless. March madness is a big deal, but is a separate TV deal. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 8:47:24 GMT -5
Mind you, ND only brings value to the ACC as a basketball member. Not a football member. So the buyout would be reflective of that lost value in men's basketball. Nothing more. No, that's not how it works. As part of Notre Dame's deal with the ACC, they have to play against five ACC teams every season. But Notre Dame controls the rights to its own home games, so that's not five games of value every year to the ACC's TV deal.
Five games over two years.
Even if you increased the buyout to $200M (half for the paltry five games over two years, half for the GoR/whatever little men's basketball regular season is worth to the ACC TV deal), that's still an easy yes for ND to get in on the massive differential.
It wouldn't be about the money, for them and their boosters. It would be about losing football independence and having to join the Big Ten. Those would be much harder pills to swallow.
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Post by mervinswerved on May 15, 2022 8:57:39 GMT -5
ND is not involved in the GoR for football. Self-evidently: every football home game was on a separate deal with NBC. Football rights is 95% of what matters. Men's basketball regular season TV is relatively worthless. March madness is a big deal, but is a separate TV deal. I mean, they sort of are. There's 2-3 away games a year on ESPN/ABC/ACCN that are part of the ACC's TV deal. The thing to remember is they're locked in until 2036. The ACC doesn't have any leverage to get ND to become a full member but likewise ND doesn't have any leverage to get the ACC to let them out of the grant of rights. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 9:10:39 GMT -5
ND is not involved in the GoR for football. Self-evidently: every football home game was on a separate deal with NBC. Football rights is 95% of what matters. Men's basketball regular season TV is relatively worthless. March madness is a big deal, but is a separate TV deal. I mean, they sort of are. There's 2-3 away games a year on ESPN/ABC/ACCN that are part of the ACC's TV deal. The thing to remember is they're locked in until 2036. The ACC doesn't have any leverage to get ND to become a full member but likewise ND doesn't have any leverage to get the ACC to let them out of the grant of rights. They're locked in .... until they're not. Which was my whole post in the first place, that started us down this tangent.
I never said and don't claim they wouldn't have to pay a massive buy-out. I'm simply saying, they would do it and at the end of the day it would be peanuts to detach an anchor around their necks.
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Post by bbg95 on May 15, 2022 9:45:06 GMT -5
ND is not involved in the GoR for football. Self-evidently: every football home game was on a separate deal with NBC. Football rights is 95% of what matters. Men's basketball regular season TV is relatively worthless. March madness is a big deal, but is a separate TV deal. I mean, they sort of are. There's 2-3 away games a year on ESPN/ABC/ACCN that are part of the ACC's TV deal. The thing to remember is they're locked in until 2036. The ACC doesn't have any leverage to get ND to become a full member but likewise ND doesn't have any leverage to get the ACC to let them out of the grant of rights. This is true, but really, it's the ACC that has zero leverage. They are desperate for Notre Dame to join so they can renegotiate that terrible contract that they agreed to that has them locked in until the mid-2030s and will almost certainly put them last among P5 conferences. Yes, Notre Dame can't really join another conference during that time either, but Notre Dame doesn't want to join another conference, so it's no problem for them. |
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Post by mervinswerved on May 15, 2022 9:46:15 GMT -5
I mean, they sort of are. There's 2-3 away games a year on ESPN/ABC/ACCN that are part of the ACC's TV deal. The thing to remember is they're locked in until 2036. The ACC doesn't have any leverage to get ND to become a full member but likewise ND doesn't have any leverage to get the ACC to let them out of the grant of rights. This is true, but really, it's the ACC that has zero leverage. Didn't I say that? |
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