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Post by bbg95 on May 14, 2022 13:45:44 GMT -5
I suppose. Seems like wishful thinking for whoever suggested it was a "key factor," since I can't think of a single reason why CBS would do that. I mean, TV contracts ARE the “key factor” for just about every realignment negotiation. Yes they are. But again, the SEC has no leverage because they already announced a new contract with a different network. See my previous comment. |
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Post by stevehorn on May 14, 2022 13:45:51 GMT -5
Totally agree. Too many programs wanting to be D1 solely to get a piece of the basketball money. However for a bunch of these schools, I really doubt the basketball money covers the additional expenses of being D1. Some schools are also there to get their name onto the ESPN score ticker - seriously. Not surprising. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 14, 2022 13:46:11 GMT -5
I suppose. Seems like wishful thinking for whoever suggested it was a "key factor," since I can't think of a single reason why CBS would do that. Try reading what's written. The CBS deal was the key roadblock to it happening before 24. Perhaps you should try to read what I wrote. As I've already explained, it makes no sense why CBS would do this, so it's a waste of time to talk about it. If you can come up with a viable reason for why CBS would agree to give the SEC more money in this scenario, I'll be happy to entertain it. |
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Post by slxpress on May 14, 2022 14:15:07 GMT -5
Try reading what's written. The CBS deal was the key roadblock to it happening before 24. Perhaps you should try to read what I wrote. As I've already explained, it makes no sense why CBS would do this, so it's a waste of time to talk about it. If you can come up with a viable reason for why CBS would agree to give the SEC more money in this scenario, I'll be happy to entertain it. I'm not actually disagreeing with you, but just playing devil's advocate. The reason they'd do it is because the ratings with OU and Texas involved would be higher. They're not, so the point is moot. But that was the point of the negotiations. |
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Post by stevehorn on May 14, 2022 14:30:46 GMT -5
Try reading what's written. The CBS deal was the key roadblock to it happening before 24. Perhaps you should try to read what I wrote. As I've already explained, it makes no sense why CBS would do this, so it's a waste of time to talk about it. If you can come up with a viable reason for why CBS would agree to give the SEC more money in this scenario, I'll be happy to entertain it. Typically in that scenario, you would offer CBS something so that they can increase their revenue to cover the increased payout and make some additional profit. Don't know the details of the CBS deal, but some ideas could be the rights to televise more games, better selection of games, etc. Or increased ratings as Sixpress suggested. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 14, 2022 14:34:40 GMT -5
Perhaps you should try to read what I wrote. As I've already explained, it makes no sense why CBS would do this, so it's a waste of time to talk about it. If you can come up with a viable reason for why CBS would agree to give the SEC more money in this scenario, I'll be happy to entertain it. Typically in that scenario, you would offer CBS something so that they can increase their revenue to cover the increased payout and make some additional profit. Don't know the details of the CBS deal, but some ideas could be the rights to televise more games, better selection of games, etc. Or increased ratings as Sixpress suggested. I see. Thanks for the explanation. I think the issue is that the SEC has already announced that they're leaving. If they were staying (or at least it was possible that they might be staying), they could possibly leverage future considerations to get more money now. But since they're leaving, it's hard to do that. And the other considerations don't work as well because CBS already gets their top choice every week, and CBS doesn't necessarily need more inventory because they are an over-the-air network with a variety of programming and not a dedicated sports network that needs more content like ESPN does. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 15:32:23 GMT -5
Yes. They have pretty good reasons for maintaining independence. It's part of the brand, plus they are doing some pretty interesting things with their media rights and archives. I imagine there is a number to buy out of there deal with the acc, but I would wager that number right now is a lot more than $100 million dollars. Right now? Given that the ACC deal runs for another 14 seasons, yeah, it's got to be way more than $100 million. Why? How much money does the ACC send to ND each year? Not nearly as much as the other 14 receive, because ND is independent of football revenue.
If it's $7M per year, well then 14*7 is about $100M.
You brought up GoR, which is important. Did ND put its GoR in with the ACC?? Certainly not in football, which is the main driver of all these conference media deals, and also the main driver of realignment and such.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 15:36:48 GMT -5
I think that’s probably bad. Sports would be dropped. BUT I have to think this would happen at the conference level, not nationally. I mean, that’s they model they seem to be moving to with everything, right? Letting conferences create more of their own rules? Maybe, or schools will drop down from d1. Right now, too many programs are trying to run on shoe-string budgets, with not enough coaches, not enough scholarship and inadequate facilities. These programs need to be forced to decide where they belong. There is a minimum number of total equivalencies over all sponsored sports that has to be met to be in DI.
That said, you're still correct. A lot of these low-majors are really doing nothing more than hoping they can be a St. Peter's in the big dance once in a while. They play in high-school level gyms.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 15:39:02 GMT -5
Maybe, or schools will drop down from d1. Right now, too many programs are trying to run on shoe-string budgets, with not enough coaches, not enough scholarship and inadequate facilities. These programs need to be forced to decide where they belong. Totally agree. Too many programs wanting to be D1 solely to get a piece of the basketball money. However for a bunch of these schools, I really doubt the basketball money covers the additional expenses of being D1. Of course they don't.
They make students foot the bill through fees for athletics. You can argue that the students who enroll are choosing to pay for that, and that may be true for some.
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Post by bbg95 on May 14, 2022 15:53:15 GMT -5
Right now? Given that the ACC deal runs for another 14 seasons, yeah, it's got to be way more than $100 million. Why? How much money does the ACC send to ND each year? Not nearly as much as the other 14 receive, because ND is independent of football revenue.
If it's $7M per year, well then 14*7 is about $100M.
You brought up GoR, which is important. Did ND put its GoR in with the ACC?? Certainly not in football, which is the main driver of all these conference media deals, and also the main driver of realignment and such.
Notre Dame has an arrangement with the ACC in which they can't join any conference except for the ACC until the ACC's TV contract expires. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 15:55:20 GMT -5
Why? How much money does the ACC send to ND each year? Not nearly as much as the other 14 receive, because ND is independent of football revenue.
If it's $7M per year, well then 14*7 is about $100M.
You brought up GoR, which is important. Did ND put its GoR in with the ACC?? Certainly not in football, which is the main driver of all these conference media deals, and also the main driver of realignment and such.
Notre Dame has an arrangement with the ACC in which they can't join any conference except for the ACC until the ACC's TV contract expires. All contracts have escape clauses in the case of extreme events. What if the ACC went bankrupt before that date? Etc.
ND can argue something like "we are in unprecedented times, with extreme, rapid changes happening in the landscape of college athletics, vastly different than the circumstances of when this agreement was proposed".
Not claiming it will work, but it is certainly a plausible thing to try.
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Post by mervinswerved on May 14, 2022 16:03:47 GMT -5
Notre Dame has an arrangement with the ACC in which they can't join any conference except for the ACC until the ACC's TV contract expires. All contracts have escape clauses in the case of extreme events. What if the ACC went bankrupt before that date? Etc. ND can argue something like "we are in unprecedented times, with extreme, rapid changes happening in the landscape of college athletics, vastly different than the circumstances of when this agreement was proposed". Not claiming it will work, but it is certainly a plausible thing to try.
Sure, and they can then negotiate what will be a massive exit fee with the ACC with zero leverage. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 16:05:06 GMT -5
All contracts have escape clauses in the case of extreme events. What if the ACC went bankrupt before that date? Etc. ND can argue something like "we are in unprecedented times, with extreme, rapid changes happening in the landscape of college athletics, vastly different than the circumstances of when this agreement was proposed". Not claiming it will work, but it is certainly a plausible thing to try.
Sure, and they can then negotiate what will be a massive exit fee with the ACC with zero leverage. Correct. Same position Texas and OU are/were in with the Big XII, right?
When you're talking $100M/year in the Big Ten vs $30M/year in the ACC + NBC as Indy ... you do the math, on how many years it would take to make that back up.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 16:08:04 GMT -5
Mind you, ND only brings value to the ACC as a basketball member. Not a football member.
So the buyout would be reflective of that lost value in men's basketball. Nothing more.
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Post by mervinswerved on May 14, 2022 16:09:50 GMT -5
Sure, and they can then negotiate what will be a massive exit fee with the ACC with zero leverage. Correct. Same position Texas and OU are/were in with the Big XII, right? When you're talking $100M/year in the Big Ten vs $30M/year in the ACC + NBC as Indy ... you do the math, on how many years it would take to make that back up.
No idea. Notre Dame doesn't *want* to be in a conference. There's no reason for the ACC to let them out anyway. The grant of rights is locked in for another 13 years, unlike the Big XII, which expires in 2025. |
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