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Post by mervinswerved on May 14, 2022 12:55:42 GMT -5
There is serious talk about dropping scholarship limits in equivalency sports. I haven't seen anything saying they want to do it in the head counts. In the head count sports, there are serious discussions about instituting minimum numbers of scholarships. Good, I think. |
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Post by n00b on May 14, 2022 13:07:57 GMT -5
In the head count sports, there are serious discussions about instituting minimum numbers of scholarships. Good, I think. I think that’s probably bad. Sports would be dropped. BUT I have to think this would happen at the conference level, not nationally. I mean, that’s they model they seem to be moving to with everything, right? Letting conferences create more of their own rules? |
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Post by stevehorn on May 14, 2022 13:13:04 GMT -5
So I was just told yesterday it looks like Texas and OU won’t be leaving for the SEC until ESPN gains the TV rights in 2024. Nothing official obviously, but it does make some sense, which would mean there’s a year overlap where the Big 12 has 14 teams. Are they saying that CBS is still refusing to increase the media rights for the 2023 season and/or the current SEC teams not wanting to share the CBS money for 23? I heard soon after the initial SEC announcement that the CBS contract was the primary stumbling block to joining the SEC in 22 or 23. Read several months ago that there had been movement in that area and some optimism that a 2023 move was possible. However your statement seems to imply that the optimism was short-lived. |
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Post by stevehorn on May 14, 2022 13:14:43 GMT -5
There is serious talk about dropping scholarship limits in equivalency sports. I haven't seen anything saying they want to do it in the head counts. In the head count sports, there are serious discussions about instituting minimum numbers of scholarships. I wonder if they are trying to force a number of schools down to the D2 or D3 level? |
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Post by justahick on May 14, 2022 13:15:58 GMT -5
I think that’s probably bad. Sports would be dropped. BUT I have to think this would happen at the conference level, not nationally. I mean, that’s they model they seem to be moving to with everything, right? Letting conferences create more of their own rules? Maybe, or schools will drop down from d1. Right now, too many programs are trying to run on shoe-string budgets, with not enough coaches, not enough scholarship and inadequate facilities. These programs need to be forced to decide where they belong. |
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Post by justahick on May 14, 2022 13:16:12 GMT -5
In the head count sports, there are serious discussions about instituting minimum numbers of scholarships. I wonder if they are trying to force a number of schools down to the D2 or D3 level? Bingo. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 14, 2022 13:17:38 GMT -5
So I was just told yesterday it looks like Texas and OU won’t be leaving for the SEC until ESPN gains the TV rights in 2024. Nothing official obviously, but it does make some sense, which would mean there’s a year overlap where the Big 12 has 14 teams. Are they saying that CBS is still refusing to increase the media rights for the 2023 season and/or the current SEC teams not wanting to share the CBS money for 23? I heard soon after the initial SEC announcement that the CBS contract was the primary stumbling block to joining the SEC in 22 or 23. Read several months ago that there had been movement in that area and some optimism that a 2023 move was possible. However your statement seems to imply that the optimism was short-lived. Why would CBS agree to increase the media rights for one season when they're losing the contract to ESPN/ABC anyway? From the perspective of CBS, they have the SEC locked in for another year on a relatively cheap contract which isn't being renewed. There is zero reason to give the SEC more money. |
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Post by stevehorn on May 14, 2022 13:23:40 GMT -5
I wonder if they are trying to force a number of schools down to the D2 or D3 level? Bingo. That's been overdue. |
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Post by mervinswerved on May 14, 2022 13:25:19 GMT -5
I think that’s probably bad. Sports would be dropped. BUT I have to think this would happen at the conference level, not nationally. I mean, that’s they model they seem to be moving to with everything, right? Letting conferences create more of their own rules? There's what, six head count sports? FB, MBB, WBB, WVB, women's tennis, and women's gymnastics. I don't know much about tennis or gymnastics, but unless the floor is 8 or more, I'd be surprised to see more than a handful of schools drop WVB. If it's an FBS-only rule, I think it'd be zero. |
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Post by stevehorn on May 14, 2022 13:25:49 GMT -5
Are they saying that CBS is still refusing to increase the media rights for the 2023 season and/or the current SEC teams not wanting to share the CBS money for 23? I heard soon after the initial SEC announcement that the CBS contract was the primary stumbling block to joining the SEC in 22 or 23. Read several months ago that there had been movement in that area and some optimism that a 2023 move was possible. However your statement seems to imply that the optimism was short-lived. Why would CBS agree to increase the media rights for one season when they're losing the contract to ESPN/ABC anyway? From the perspective of CBS, they have the SEC locked in for another year on a relatively cheap contract which isn't being renewed. There is zero reason to give the SEC more money. Didn't say they should or shouldn't. Just that it was key factor behind the timing. |
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Post by stevehorn on May 14, 2022 13:29:41 GMT -5
I think that’s probably bad. Sports would be dropped. BUT I have to think this would happen at the conference level, not nationally. I mean, that’s they model they seem to be moving to with everything, right? Letting conferences create more of their own rules? Maybe, or schools will drop down from d1. Right now, too many programs are trying to run on shoe-string budgets, with not enough coaches, not enough scholarship and inadequate facilities. These programs need to be forced to decide where they belong. Totally agree. Too many programs wanting to be D1 solely to get a piece of the basketball money. However for a bunch of these schools, I really doubt the basketball money covers the additional expenses of being D1. |
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Post by justahick on May 14, 2022 13:35:46 GMT -5
Maybe, or schools will drop down from d1. Right now, too many programs are trying to run on shoe-string budgets, with not enough coaches, not enough scholarship and inadequate facilities. These programs need to be forced to decide where they belong. Totally agree. Too many programs wanting to be D1 solely to get a piece of the basketball money. However for a bunch of these schools, I really doubt the basketball money covers the additional expenses of being D1. Some schools are also there to get their name onto the ESPN score ticker - seriously. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 14, 2022 13:39:31 GMT -5
Why would CBS agree to increase the media rights for one season when they're losing the contract to ESPN/ABC anyway? From the perspective of CBS, they have the SEC locked in for another year on a relatively cheap contract which isn't being renewed. There is zero reason to give the SEC more money. Didn't say they should or shouldn't. Just that it was key factor behind the timing. I suppose. Seems like wishful thinking for whoever suggested it was a "key factor," since I can't think of a single reason why CBS would do that. |
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Post by n00b on May 14, 2022 13:44:14 GMT -5
Didn't say they should or shouldn't. Just that it was key factor behind the timing. I suppose. Seems like wishful thinking for whoever suggested it was a "key factor," since I can't think of a single reason why CBS would do that. I mean, TV contracts ARE the “key factor” for just about every realignment negotiation. |
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Post by stevehorn on May 14, 2022 13:45:07 GMT -5
Didn't say they should or shouldn't. Just that it was key factor behind the timing. I suppose. Seems like wishful thinking for whoever suggested it was a "key factor," since I can't think of a single reason why CBS would do that. Try reading what's written. The CBS deal was the key roadblock to it happening before 24. |
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