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Post by babybacksets on Nov 20, 2021 4:44:58 GMT -5
No one said Bakersfield was a joke. From a coach’s perspective, especially at this point in the season you know that there is a group of players who know that the likelihood of them playing much through the end of the season is very little. Besides that, our middles are the leading this team currently as great as BVS is and has been. So it’s not like the currently most productive players weren’t playing. People in the thread were just saying very foolish things but i do have to assume that they are not coaches and have never had to make personnel decisions that are conducive towards the teams best OVERALL performance for the post season. Just think about back when Nikki Taylor went down vs Minnesota. Hawaii literally had no idea what to do and you could tell they were instantly defeated because of the lack of any solid backup plans. I would rather Coach start non regulars now, that have been getting consistent, MEANINGFUL reps in practice, still knowing they could come in at any time, than only giving them the practice reps and then God forbid something happen to a regular starter, especially a primary passer, and then whoever is thrown in there hasn’t played a real game in a month. There are several Top 5-10 NCAA teams that if this happened to them now, they would be early goners in the post season. This is why i respect Coach Robyn’s style so much, she demands a lot from all her players and doesn’t BS them about getting into the game if they are putting in the work. Whereas other programs and fans just relegate other players as benchwarmers with no value. Do better y’all, do better. After that Nebraska v Maryland situation, Hawaii needs to take their rightful claim as the best fans in the country. Really? Did you not watch the same game? As soon as BVS and Wagoner came on, they were performing like the typical Wahine team. Even the announcer said the same thing, that the feeling on the court was different. So why would you do that to the team especially when those games are really important. Like I said earlier, if the results were flipped and CSUB was up 2-1 going into the 4th, people would be in uproar. Nikki Taylor's incident was unfortunate and unexpected but she was the terminator for the team. You think that resting the girls for one game that the rest of the team are all going miraculously be terminators, passing well, serve receive like butter? No, and that wasn't the case. In fact, the blocks werent there and they were getting aced. When they were scoring, they evened it out with errors allowing mini runs for Bakersfield to catch up. You think theyre going to turn it around by resting your two main hitters? You see Texas, Pitt, Louisville, UCLA having them sit out their top hitters at this late in the season? I don't think so. Better to keep the consistent players in to maintain momentum. You don’t get it. This team doesn’t have any statistical “stars”. They are as good as they are because of their group contributions. That’s the way it has been since the start of the season when they were losing as a group and the identity of the team hasn’t changed. Also i don’t deal in hypotheticals. The team got the win and that is what is important. Not the moaning and groaning of restless fans, sorry lol. A lot of those teams you mentioned, rely on “star” key contributors that they map their overall gameplay around and each would likely fizzle if 1 or 2 were to be out of commission. However, that is THEIR identity and they are fine living and dying on several players not ever seeing the floor. This current Wahine team is full of freshman and sophomores, first year starters, players coming into their own, etc and they need to keep that mindset that they are doing this as a collective unit. Sure players like Brooke and Amber will put the team in their back when they need to but I doubt Coach Robyn asks them to. Better to keep letting reserve players know that their coaches still have confidence in them to be serviceable and compete in a high anxiety/adrenaline situation like a conference game start vs just playing mop up duty of the crumbs the starters have left for them. No one was saying they were going to come in and be superheroes just because they got the start. I don’t know if you’ve played or coached but the difference between a start and late game minutes are very different things for athletes mentally. The coaching staff is still building this team. I have no doubt the players who truly want it, will work towards being that go to player you can’t take off the court, but this team in particular needs to be cultivated for long term success. |
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Post by italianmattd on Nov 20, 2021 5:18:54 GMT -5
Really? Did you not watch the same game? As soon as BVS and Wagoner came on, they were performing like the typical Wahine team. Even the announcer said the same thing, that the feeling on the court was different. So why would you do that to the team especially when those games are really important. Like I said earlier, if the results were flipped and CSUB was up 2-1 going into the 4th, people would be in uproar. Nikki Taylor's incident was unfortunate and unexpected but she was the terminator for the team. You think that resting the girls for one game that the rest of the team are all going miraculously be terminators, passing well, serve receive like butter? No, and that wasn't the case. In fact, the blocks werent there and they were getting aced. When they were scoring, they evened it out with errors allowing mini runs for Bakersfield to catch up. You think theyre going to turn it around by resting your two main hitters? You see Texas, Pitt, Louisville, UCLA having them sit out their top hitters at this late in the season? I don't think so. Better to keep the consistent players in to maintain momentum. You don’t get it. This team doesn’t have any statistical “stars”. They are as good as they are because of their group contributions. That’s the way it has been since the start of the season when they were losing as a group and the identity of the team hasn’t changed. Also i don’t deal in hypotheticals. The team got the win and that is what is important. Not the moaning and groaning of restless fans, sorry lol. A lot of those teams you mentioned, rely on “star” key contributors that they map their overall gameplay around and each would likely fizzle if 1 or 2 were to be out of commission. However, that is THEIR identity and they are fine living and dying on several players not ever seeing the floor. This current Wahine team is full of freshman and sophomores, first year starters, players coming into their own, etc and they need to keep that mindset that they are doing this as a collective unit. Sure players like Brooke and Amber will put the team in their back when they need to but I doubt Coach Robyn asks them to. Better to keep letting reserve players know that their coaches still have confidence in them to be serviceable and compete in a high anxiety/adrenaline situation like a conference game start vs just playing mop up duty of the crumbs the starters have left for them. No one was saying they were going to come in and be superheroes just because they got the start. I don’t know if you’ve played or coached but the difference between a start and late game minutes are very different things for athletes mentally. The coaching staff is still building this team. I have no doubt the players who truly want it, will work towards being that go to player you can’t take off the court, but this team in particular needs to be cultivated for long term success. I don't get it? I do get it and I see why she did it. was it risky? - heck yeah especially for an away game and knowing this is a critical match plus Poly waiting in wings. I'll also tell you what I get: there is no terminator on this team - so why remove the ones that have been scoring their points? I also get that they performed better when their stars were brought back. I also got the fact that majority of people here were scratching their heads on why the change up. I also get that they won but they were dearly close to losing the 3rd set until Robyn put in BVS. So it's pretty straight forward and very evident that they cannot afford to lose these games. It seems like you're forgetting that. You want them to be prepared for high risk situations and "long term success" at the risk of losing a game or you want them to be able to focus one game at a time to secure the automatic bid? I'm gonna reiterate this question as mentioned earlier, how would you react if Robyn did the exact same thing next week when CSUN comes to town? I'll tell you now, plenty people would think that's crazy as seen in the comments. But yeah, she's gearing Mia, Akana, and Leoniak for CSUN because I would not be surprised if the three would be starting and resting BVS and Wagoner. CSUN may not be as a competitive as Bakersfield but it was a balsy risk to do that this weekend. I would have secured the first 2 set wins before adding the second string. I'd rather have the team still maintaining the momentum before getting fancy with the lineup. |
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Post by noblesol on Nov 20, 2021 5:21:30 GMT -5
Having watched Robyn for a lot of years now, I wasn't completely surprised at her lineup. She loves to teach and develop her players and the whole team. She's serious about getting the wins, but she'll go with her instincts with her players. Tonight was her last opportunity to throw a little chaotic challenge to her bench to both develop them and get them ready for what is coming in last of conference and in prep for post-season. BVS and Wagoner didn't need the reps against Bakersfield, but her bench did. So she rolled the dice and won the 1st set. And nearly won the 2nd set. Having gone as far as she could with them, it was then a challenge thrown to her super senior BVS and most improved Wagoner to right the ship and seize back momentum. Which they promptly did, benefiting them as well with the confidence that they can lead the team back when down.
Could it have all gone south? Sure, but Robyn isn't daunted by a challenge, and she wants that to rub off on her teams.
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Post by babybacksets on Nov 20, 2021 5:40:03 GMT -5
You don’t get it. This team doesn’t have any statistical “stars”. They are as good as they are because of their group contributions. That’s the way it has been since the start of the season when they were losing as a group and the identity of the team hasn’t changed. Also i don’t deal in hypotheticals. The team got the win and that is what is important. Not the moaning and groaning of restless fans, sorry lol. A lot of those teams you mentioned, rely on “star” key contributors that they map their overall gameplay around and each would likely fizzle if 1 or 2 were to be out of commission. However, that is THEIR identity and they are fine living and dying on several players not ever seeing the floor. This current Wahine team is full of freshman and sophomores, first year starters, players coming into their own, etc and they need to keep that mindset that they are doing this as a collective unit. Sure players like Brooke and Amber will put the team in their back when they need to but I doubt Coach Robyn asks them to. Better to keep letting reserve players know that their coaches still have confidence in them to be serviceable and compete in a high anxiety/adrenaline situation like a conference game start vs just playing mop up duty of the crumbs the starters have left for them. No one was saying they were going to come in and be superheroes just because they got the start. I don’t know if you’ve played or coached but the difference between a start and late game minutes are very different things for athletes mentally. The coaching staff is still building this team. I have no doubt the players who truly want it, will work towards being that go to player you can’t take off the court, but this team in particular needs to be cultivated for long term success. I don't get it? I do get it and I see why she did it. was it risky? - heck yeah especially for an away game and knowing this is a critical match plus Poly waiting in wings. I'll also tell you what I get: there is no terminator on this team - so why remove the ones that have been scoring their points? I also get that they performed better when their stars were brought back. I also got the fact that majority of people here were scratching their heads on why the change up. I also get that they won but they were dearly close to losing the 3rd set until Robyn put in BVS. So it's pretty straight forward and very evident that they cannot afford to lose these games. It seems like you're forgetting that. You want them to be prepared for high risk situations and "long term success" at the risk of losing a game or you want them to be able to focus one game at a time to secure the automatic bid? I'm gonna reiterate this question as mentioned earlier, how would you react if Robyn did the exact same thing next week when CSUN comes to town? I'll tell you now, plenty people would think that's crazy as seen in the comments. But yeah, she's gearing Mia, Akana, and Leoniak for CSUN because I would not be surprised if the three would be starting and resting BVS and Wagoner. CSUN may not be as a competitive as Bakersfield but it was a balsy risk to do that this weekend. I would have secured the first 2 set wins before adding the second string. I'd rather have the team still maintaining the momentum before getting fancy with the lineup. Whatever, agree to disagree. I already gave my reasonings for why I think it was a good idea from my perspective on the WIN and you’re still talking about hypothetical losses that didn’t happen but “almost” did. Lol ok? Sorry but it just seems like an unnecessary desire to dwell on negativity that you are actively looking for but only exists if you want it to. A win is a win however you get it. But it’s fine, like i said, fans are going to have different perspectives on this match, especially those who haven’t played or coached at a high level. Thinking about the program critically, I like the decision and hope for the same for CSUN with a more confident/consistent group of reserves that get the start. However, I will not entertain any of those who were bad mouthing the coaching staff that has taken the team this far. People need to start realizing that they are not in the practice gym, so whatever decisions are made, I’m going to trust that the players have earned the coaching staff’s trust in them. That’s what i think is important for this team. |
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Post by dd2000 on Nov 20, 2021 9:09:55 GMT -5
Regardless of how this turns out, this is what makes Ah Mow who she is. Unconventional and gusty. Hopefully this allows the other players to gain confidence. I was one that challenged the approach Robin took. This board is awesome because it challenges ones own thoughts and assumptions. I agree with this statement and I think that in the end she blended both approaches. She gave her bench good game experience and growth, and then put the starters in and sealed the win. And thats a great approach if you look at the big picture, the long term approach, thinking ahead to the needs in the tournament, what ever you want to call it. |
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Post by medusa on Nov 20, 2021 11:32:31 GMT -5
Hawaii came off the court with a deserved win. Hawaii coach is why she's the coach and I'm not. She knows better than any one on the site. That's why I love all these constructive critics. GO BOWS!.........
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Post by hapaguy on Nov 20, 2021 14:01:08 GMT -5
Here's my 2 cents on why RAM started Akana & Johnson: I have to believe it was some sort of disciplinary reason. RAM was quoted saying "“It’s a team thing and it is what it is. That’s all I’’m going to say,” Ah Mow said of the switch." I can't and won't believe that RAM would take that big of a chance at this point of the season just to get some backup players playing time or to rest our 2 starting OH's for tonight's match. I've said this in earlier matches when we had big leads that RAM should put in a bench player or two to give them time and get them ready for next year and some of you jumped down my throat and said "not with this team and they way they're hot and cold" or words to that effect. And now some of those same people are defending RAM's coaching decision to not start our 2 starting OH's at such a critical time in the season! I totally agree with those that say that AT THIS POINT IN THE SEASON THIS IS NO TIME FOR GRAND EXPERIMENTS. That's why I'm thinking that this was not some kind of crazy experiment but was something else...maybe they were late for a meeting or past curfew or some other minor infraction that kept them off the starting lineup for the first 2 sets.....RAM, from what I've seen so far from her, is not that big of a risk taker.....
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Post by noblesol on Nov 20, 2021 14:28:07 GMT -5
Here's my 2 cents on why RAM started Akana & Johnson: I have to believe it was some sort of disciplinary reason. RAM was quoted saying "“It’s a team thing and it is what it is. That’s all I’’m going to say,” Ah Mow said of the switch." I can't and won't believe that RAM would take that big of a chance at this point of the season just to get some backup players playing time. I've said this in earlier matches when we had big leads that RAM should put in a bench player or two to give them time and get them ready for next year and some of you jumped down my throat and said "not with this team and they way they're hot and cold" or words to that effect. And now some of those same people are defending RAM's coaching decision to not start our 2 starting OH's at such a critical time in the season! I totally agree with those that say that AT THIS POINT IN THE SEASON THIS IS NO TIME FOR GRAND EXPERIMENTS. That's why I'm thinking that this was not some kind of crazy experiment but was something else...maybe they were late for a meeting or past curfew or some other minor infraction that kept them off the starting lineup for the first 2 sets.....RAM, from what I've seen so far from her, is not that big of a risk taker..... Don't disagree that something minor could have happened. But there are lots of ways to deal with minor infractions short of benching. And I don't see either BVS or Wagoner as ever being anything but accidental wanderers into the bad to the bone club. The path frequently taken dealing with minor infractions is to find a way to turn a negative into a positive. So, if something did happen, I see Robyn taking the opportunity to do just that. With a pretty good handle on what Bakersfield and her bench could bring she rolled the dice and gave her bench reps and a boost of confidence. All in all, it worked out well. And, it sets them up well for today's match. Robyn would have made one heck of a river boat gambler. She goes with her gut, and she seems to have a sixth sense about how much she can get out of her players. |
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Post by hapaguy on Nov 20, 2021 14:34:30 GMT -5
Here's my 2 cents on why RAM started Akana & Johnson: I have to believe it was some sort of disciplinary reason. RAM was quoted saying "“It’s a team thing and it is what it is. That’s all I’’m going to say,” Ah Mow said of the switch." I can't and won't believe that RAM would take that big of a chance at this point of the season just to get some backup players playing time. I've said this in earlier matches when we had big leads that RAM should put in a bench player or two to give them time and get them ready for next year and some of you jumped down my throat and said "not with this team and they way they're hot and cold" or words to that effect. And now some of those same people are defending RAM's coaching decision to not start our 2 starting OH's at such a critical time in the season! I totally agree with those that say that AT THIS POINT IN THE SEASON THIS IS NO TIME FOR GRAND EXPERIMENTS. That's why I'm thinking that this was not some kind of crazy experiment but was something else...maybe they were late for a meeting or past curfew or some other minor infraction that kept them off the starting lineup for the first 2 sets.....RAM, from what I've seen so far from her, is not that big of a risk taker..... Don't disagree that something minor could have happened. But there are lots of ways to deal with minor infractions short of benching. And I don't see either BVS or Wagoner as ever being anything but accidental wanderers into the bad to the bone club. The path frequently taken dealing with minor infractions is to find a way to turn a negative into a positive. So, if something did happen, I see Robyn taking the opportunity to do just that. With a pretty good handle on what Bakersfield and her bench could bring she rolled the dice and gave her bench reps and a boost of confidence. All in all, it worked out well. And, it sets them up well for today's match. Robyn would have made one heck of a river boat gambler. She goes with her gut, and she seems to have a sixth sense about how much she can get out of her players. I sort of agree except that I don't see RAM as a risk taker or "rolling the dice" based on what we've seen from her so far. There were many opportunities for RAM to get bench players playing time this season in some of those blowout matches and she NEVER subbed to get bench players playing time. Why do it now at this point of the season when every match is critical to us with UCSB breathing down the back of our neck? No, I just don't see it..... |
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Post by dd2000 on Nov 20, 2021 15:12:56 GMT -5
Here's my 2 cents on why RAM started Akana & Johnson: I have to believe it was some sort of disciplinary reason. RAM was quoted saying "“It’s a team thing and it is what it is. That’s all I’’m going to say,” Ah Mow said of the switch." I can't and won't believe that RAM would take that big of a chance at this point of the season just to get some backup players playing time. I've said this in earlier matches when we had big leads that RAM should put in a bench player or two to give them time and get them ready for next year and some of you jumped down my throat and said "not with this team and they way they're hot and cold" or words to that effect. And now some of those same people are defending RAM's coaching decision to not start our 2 starting OH's at such a critical time in the season! I totally agree with those that say that AT THIS POINT IN THE SEASON THIS IS NO TIME FOR GRAND EXPERIMENTS. That's why I'm thinking that this was not some kind of crazy experiment but was something else...maybe they were late for a meeting or past curfew or some other minor infraction that kept them off the starting lineup for the first 2 sets.....RAM, from what I've seen so far from her, is not that big of a risk taker..... Don't disagree that something minor could have happened. But there are lots of ways to deal with minor infractions short of benching. And I don't see either BVS or Wagoner as ever being anything but accidental wanderers into the bad to the bone club. The path frequently taken dealing with minor infractions is to find a way to turn a negative into a positive. So, if something did happen, I see Robyn taking the opportunity to do just that. With a pretty good handle on what Bakersfield and her bench could bring she rolled the dice and gave her bench reps and a boost of confidence. All in all, it worked out well. And, it sets them up well for today's match. Robyn would have made one heck of a river boat gambler. She goes with her gut, and she seems to have a sixth sense about how much she can get out of her players. Total speculation here, as is all of this lol, but it might not have been BVS or Wagoner involved in any minor infraction. It could have been grumbling from the bench. If so, Robin might have said, "you want to start, here's your start. Make the most of it". When they split the first two games, and the original starters came in to seal it, and the grumbling stops for the rest of the season. Don't anyone run with this lol. Pure speculation, just to show that there could have been any number of reasons for Robins move. |
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Post by Seahawks 1972 on Nov 20, 2021 18:55:55 GMT -5
We all know Coach Rob did that starting line-up to get our gourd and apparently it worked. LMBO
Worked like a charm.
Na Wahine Forever!!!
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Post by raian13 on Nov 20, 2021 19:08:40 GMT -5
Any replay please?
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Post by toonscivb on Nov 21, 2021 4:06:43 GMT -5
Its still on ESPN+ if you have it, I don't know how much longer its going to stay up though. |
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Post by DiggUH on Nov 21, 2021 4:22:06 GMT -5
Its still on ESPN+ if you have it, I don't know how much longer its going to stay up though. ESPN+ seems to keep replays up for 4 weeks before removing them. |
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Post by toonscivb on Nov 21, 2021 4:29:45 GMT -5
Its still on ESPN+ if you have it, I don't know how much longer its going to stay up though. ESPN+ seems to keep replays up for 4 weeks before removing them. Do you know when they post replay of a game on demand? I'm waiting for the Cal Poly match to be available. |
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