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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 26, 2021 23:23:30 GMT -5
In this B1G it doesn’t matter. There are no tie breakers. There are tie breakers to determine the automatic qualifier if there are co-champions. My understanding is that it's still possible for Purdue to win the automatic qualifier spot. Nobody cares about the AC slot when 6-8 teams B1G get in. The B1G awards co-champion status to all teams with the best record, regardless of who they beat. They all get a trophy and end up in the record book as co champs. |
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 26, 2021 23:45:09 GMT -5
There are tie breakers to determine the automatic qualifier if there are co-champions. My understanding is that it's still possible for Purdue to win the automatic qualifier spot. Nobody cares about the AC slot when 6-8 teams B1G get in. The B1G awards co-champion status to all teams with the best record, regardless of who they beat. They all get a trophy and end up in the record book as co champs. That is not unique to Big 10 volleyball. As I wrote earlier, almost all conferences, leagues, divisions, etc. in almost all sports at almost any level of play, declare co-champions if two or more teams end up tied for first place at the end of the play in that conference or league. While you say "no one cares", there are still tie breakers to determine the automatic qualifier which was the purpose of the statement. And I suspect the Wisconsin team cares this year who wins the automatic qualifier. If Wisconsin doesn't win it and Purdue does, I highly doubt Wisconsin will be a top 4 seed. |
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Post by bprtbone on Nov 26, 2021 23:53:18 GMT -5
I posted this a while back in the Big Ten thread, but it seems pertinent here. This is the Big Ten tiebreaker to determine the AQ in case of a tie:
1. Head-to-head Conference match results.
2. If still tied, percentage of games won or lost between (among) tied teams during Conference competition.
3. If still tied, game percentage in all Conference matches.
4. If still tied, point differential of head-to-head competition (between and/or among tied teams) as specified in the International Volleyball Federation System (i.e., requires that all points won in head-to-head competition be divided by all points lost).
5. If still tied, using the International Volleyball Federation System against all Conference teams.
6. If still tied, flip of coin.
As mentioned previously, the tiebreker is only used for the purpose of identifying the AQ. All teams tied for 1st are considered co-champions. The last tie was in 2017 when Nebraska earned the AQ with their H2H win over Penn State; but Penn State was still considered a co-champion of the conference.
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Post by stevehorn on Nov 27, 2021 0:04:19 GMT -5
I posted this a while back in the Big Ten thread, but it seems pertinent here. This is the Big Ten tiebreaker to determine the AQ in case of a tie: 1. Head-to-head Conference match results. 2. If still tied, percentage of games won or lost between (among) tied teams during Conference competition. 3. If still tied, game percentage in all Conference matches. 4. If still tied, point differential of head-to-head competition (between and/or among tied teams) as specified in the International Volleyball Federation System (i.e., requires that all points won in head-to-head competition be divided by all points lost). 5. If still tied, using the International Volleyball Federation System against all Conference teams. 6. If still tied, flip of coin. As mentioned previously, the tiebreker is only used for the purpose of identifying the AQ. All teams tied for 1st are considered co-champions. The last tie was in 2017 when Nebraska earned the AQ with their H2H win over Penn State; but Penn State was still considered a co-champion of the conference. So the Big 10 doesn't use sets won as a step in head to head results (#1)? When Texas and Baylor were Big 12 co-champions in 2019, they split the matches but Texas got the AQ because it won more sets in the head to head matches (Texas swept Baylor while Baylor won 3-2). The same will happen this year if Texas loses tomorrow resulting in another tie with Baylor. They split the matches but Texas swept in its win while Baylor won 3-1. |
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Post by robtearle on Nov 27, 2021 0:10:51 GMT -5
I posted this a while back in the Big Ten thread, but it seems pertinent here. This is the Big Ten tiebreaker to determine the AQ in case of a tie: 1. Head-to-head Conference match results. 2. If still tied, percentage of games won or lost between (among) tied teams during Conference competition. 3. If still tied, game percentage in all Conference matches. 4. If still tied, point differential of head-to-head competition (between and/or among tied teams) as specified in the International Volleyball Federation System (i.e., requires that all points won in head-to-head competition be divided by all points lost). 5. If still tied, using the International Volleyball Federation System against all Conference teams. 6. If still tied, flip of coin. As mentioned previously, the tiebreker is only used for the purpose of identifying the AQ. All teams tied for 1st are considered co-champions. The last tie was in 2017 when Nebraska earned the AQ with their H2H win over Penn State; but Penn State was still considered a co-champion of the conference. So the Big 10 doesn't use sets won as a step in head to head results (#1)? When Texas and Baylor were Big 12 co-champions in 2019, they split the matches but Texas got the AQ because it won more sets in the head to head matches (Texas swept Baylor while Baylor won 3-2). The same will happen this year if Texas loses tomorrow resulting in another tie with Baylor. They split the matches but Texas swept in its win while Baylor won 3-1. I think #2 says exactly that, only calling them "games" instead of "sets". |
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Post by jojojo on Nov 27, 2021 0:19:57 GMT -5
Does anybody really expect IND to beat WIS? IND has only beaten last place Rutgers 2x and 1x each with fellow bottom-dwellers MSU and Iowa. In ALL their other Big 10 matches, they've never even won 2 games!!!
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Post by HOLIDAY on Nov 27, 2021 0:21:21 GMT -5
All the teams have been streaky from time to time so you never know.
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Post by robtearle on Nov 27, 2021 0:31:01 GMT -5
Does anybody really expect IND to beat WIS? IND has only beaten last place Rutgers 2x and 1x each with fellow bottom-dwellers MSU and Iowa. In ALL their other Big 10 matches, they've never even won 2 games!!! They took a set off Purdue tonight... |
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Post by JT on Nov 27, 2021 1:08:27 GMT -5
Does anybody really expect IND to beat WIS? IND has only beaten last place Rutgers 2x and 1x each with fellow bottom-dwellers MSU and Iowa. In ALL their other Big 10 matches, they've never even won 2 games!!! They took a set off Purdue tonight... Losing 1-3 instead of 0-3 is not the same as winning.  I don't expect Wiscy to lose tomorrow's match. |
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Post by Kingsley on Nov 27, 2021 1:11:10 GMT -5
Does anybody really expect IND to beat WIS? IND has only beaten last place Rutgers 2x and 1x each with fellow bottom-dwellers MSU and Iowa. In ALL their other Big 10 matches, they've never even won 2 games!!! They took a set off Purdue tonight... If Wisconsin loses to Indiana tomorrow, I will chop off my foot and sell it on eBay. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 27, 2021 1:16:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure I've ever seen a team celebrate a co-championship when they still have an opportunity to win the outright championship in a future game. I've seen it multiple times in the PAC-12. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 27, 2021 1:17:38 GMT -5
They took a set off Purdue tonight... If Wisconsin loses to Indiana tomorrow, I will chop off my foot and sell it on eBay. Can't. eBay doesn't allow listings for human body parts. |
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Post by NFRvb on Nov 27, 2021 1:34:10 GMT -5
I was surprised that they made as big a deal of it tonight as they did. I guess maybe it 'gets it out of the way' so that tomorrow can have even more of a focus on 'senior night'. But I did expect them to be more low-key than they were. I was surprised also. Certainly was a contrast to Texas who also clinched a co-championship tonight plus they also clinched the conference AQ to the NCAA tournament. There was no sign of Texas celebrating a co-championship after the game plus during Logan Eggleston's interview after the game, I don't remember her even mentioning it. It’s a lot bigger of a deal to win the big ten than the big twelve tho |
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Post by robtearle on Nov 27, 2021 4:23:51 GMT -5
They took a set off Purdue tonight... Losing 1-3 instead of 0-3 is not the same as winning. I don't expect Wiscy to lose tomorrow's match. Neither do I. But if Wisconsin shows up thinking they have already won it, Indiana is good enough to surprise them, as evidenced by taking a set off a very good Purdue team. |
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Post by Wiswell on Nov 27, 2021 7:04:59 GMT -5
I'm not sure I've ever seen a team celebrate a co-championship when they still have an opportunity to win the outright championship in a future game. I've seen it multiple times in the PAC-12. Big Ten officials were there. They may have had no choice. After all , if Nebraska won, they'd be there to give them the trophy and then if Purdue beat Nebraska, they'd have the trophy to hand to them too. I thought it was odd. |
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