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Post by wonkaman on Feb 10, 2022 10:49:07 GMT -5
It was said 23 of the top 25 clubs were playing. I noticed Metro is not playing (I'm assuming they are top 25). Who is the other top 25 club not playing?
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Post by vballdandy on Feb 10, 2022 10:59:10 GMT -5
I believe Circle City. Really wish their 17's team was going, with Chloe playing her age group they are unbelievable, and that's an understatement.
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Post by wonkaman on Feb 15, 2022 10:25:40 GMT -5
Just realized why Metro does not play in the Triple Crown this weekend. This weekend is also the Capital Hill Classic, which is probably one of the larger tournaments in the D.C. area. I think participation is down, perhaps because of the DC mandate for proof of vaccine or waiver submission requirement in order for players to participate and fans to enter the convention center. That was lifted effective today, so that is no longer a requirement for players and fans.
The strict requirements may have decreased the competition level. I don't see the usual participation of some of the stronger North Carolina teams that usually played in this event. It appears to be a lot more local teams.
The lower participation level could also be because of the need to move the event to Alanta last year. D.C. did not allow the use of the convention center for such a large event. Absence can make clubs forget about your event or find a substitute. Don't think many of the clubs who played in the event in D.C. registered to play in Atlanta.
It is kind of ironic that local teams did not seem to be complaining this year about their lack of acceptance in the tournament. In previous years the Capital Hill Classic had been restricting the participation of local teams to bring in more travel teams because of the revenue it brought to D.C. That does not seem to be an issue this year.
The initial plan was for them to have back to back Capital Hill Classics. For the local teams that entered the first tournament that was a two day affair, they were guaranteed participation in the big three day event if they entered in the first event. Don't know why the first event was cancelled. Perhaps because of the strict D.C. requirements places too many resources on them to enforce the requirement or they did not have enough teams to register to support using the convention center for the first tournament. It will be interesting if they try this approach next year.
But everyone is ready for Capital Hill this weekend. And Metro will probably dominate.
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Post by SayonaraTachikara on Feb 15, 2022 10:43:43 GMT -5
Just realized why Metro does not play in the Triple Crown this weekend. This weekend is also the Capital Hill Classic, which is probably one of the larger tournaments in the D.C. area. I think participation is down, perhaps because of the DC mandate for proof of vaccine or waiver submission requirement in order for players to participate and fans to enter the convention center. That was lifted effective today, so that is no longer a requirement for players and fans. The strict requirements may have decreased the competition level. I don't see the usual participation of some of the stronger North Carolina teams that usually played in this event. It appears to be a lot more local teams. The lower participation level could also be because of the need to move the event to Alanta last year. D.C. did not allow the use of the convention center for such a large event. Absence can make clubs forget about your event or find a substitute. Don't think many of the clubs who played in the event in D.C. registered to play in Atlanta. It is kind of ironic that local teams did not seem to be complaining this year about their lack of acceptance in the tournament. In previous years the Capital Hill Classic had been restricting the participation of local teams to bring in more travel teams because of the revenue it brought to D.C. That does not seem to be an issue this year. The initial plan was for them to have back to back Capital Hill Classics. For the local teams that entered the first tournament that was a two day affair, they were guaranteed participation in the big three day event if they entered in the first event. Don't know why the first event was cancelled. Perhaps because of the strict D.C. requirements places too many resources on them to enforce the requirement or they did not have enough teams to register to support using the convention center for the first tournament. It will be interesting if they try this approach next year. But everyone is ready for Capital Hill this weekend. And Metro will probably dominate. Yes, this is unfortunate. Having Capital Hill in Atlanta last year was certainly an issue. There was not a huge turnout in Atlanta last year if memory serves me (for various reasons). While I am certain Triple Crown benefits , I think the 2nd biggest benefactor is actually the Southeast Qualifier in Atlanta the 25th-27th. I think the slight date shift pulled quite a few of the Carolina teams you mentioned along with a few others that traditionally attend Capital Hill. My guess is it has to do with many of the logistical issues you mention. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Feb 15, 2022 11:05:23 GMT -5
Just realized why Metro does not play in the Triple Crown this weekend. This weekend is also the Capital Hill Classic, which is probably one of the larger tournaments in the D.C. area. I think participation is down, perhaps because of the DC mandate for proof of vaccine or waiver submission requirement in order for players to participate and fans to enter the convention center. That was lifted effective today, so that is no longer a requirement for players and fans. The strict requirements may have decreased the competition level. I don't see the usual participation of some of the stronger North Carolina teams that usually played in this event. It appears to be a lot more local teams. The lower participation level could also be because of the need to move the event to Alanta last year. D.C. did not allow the use of the convention center for such a large event. Absence can make clubs forget about your event or find a substitute. Don't think many of the clubs who played in the event in D.C. registered to play in Atlanta. It is kind of ironic that local teams did not seem to be complaining this year about their lack of acceptance in the tournament. In previous years the Capital Hill Classic had been restricting the participation of local teams to bring in more travel teams because of the revenue it brought to D.C. That does not seem to be an issue this year. The initial plan was for them to have back to back Capital Hill Classics. For the local teams that entered the first tournament that was a two day affair, they were guaranteed participation in the big three day event if they entered in the first event. Don't know why the first event was cancelled. Perhaps because of the strict D.C. requirements places too many resources on them to enforce the requirement or they did not have enough teams to register to support using the convention center for the first tournament. It will be interesting if they try this approach next year. But everyone is ready for Capital Hill this weekend. And Metro will probably dominate. Yes, this is unfortunate. Having Capital Hill in Atlanta last year was certainly an issue. There was not a huge turnout in Atlanta last year if memory serves me (for various reasons). While I am certain Triple Crown benefits , I think the 2nd biggest benefactor is actually the Southeast Qualifier in Atlanta the 25th-27th. I think the slight date shift pulled quite a few of the Carolina teams you mentioned along with a few others that traditionally attend Capital Hill. My guess is it has to do with many of the logistical issues you mention. If I was planning to host a tournament, the first thing I would do is see when the NIT is and steer away from that weekend like it was the plague. NIT has grown quickly in popularity and is the place most major clubs want to be. |
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Post by vballdandy on Feb 15, 2022 12:11:55 GMT -5
Pools up for Triple Crown!
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Post by BuckysHeat on Feb 15, 2022 15:46:44 GMT -5
Yes, this is unfortunate. Having Capital Hill in Atlanta last year was certainly an issue. There was not a huge turnout in Atlanta last year if memory serves me (for various reasons). While I am certain Triple Crown benefits , I think the 2nd biggest benefactor is actually the Southeast Qualifier in Atlanta the 25th-27th. I think the slight date shift pulled quite a few of the Carolina teams you mentioned along with a few others that traditionally attend Capital Hill. My guess is it has to do with many of the logistical issues you mention. If I was planning to host a tournament, the first thing I would do is see when the NIT is and steer away from that weekend like it was the plague. NIT has grown quickly in popularity and is the place most major clubs want to be. Pretty easy to figure out When is Prez day next year? |
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Post by silverchloride on Feb 15, 2022 17:11:18 GMT -5
If I was planning to host a tournament, the first thing I would do is see when the NIT is and steer away from that weekend like it was the plague. NIT has grown quickly in popularity and is the place most major clubs want to be. Pretty easy to figure out When is Prez day next year? Exactly, lol. |
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Post by wonkaman on Feb 15, 2022 20:20:35 GMT -5
The problem with steering clear of Presidents Day is you also have to steer clear for the previous weekend and the following weekend. Not many teams want to play in back to back tournaments. And with 750 teams in Capital Hill (per volleyballmag) the tournament is still making money.
A wiseman once told me that there is a lot of money to be made in bad volleyball. I'm not saying Capital Hill is bad volleyball, but you do not have to be the best to draw the teams. Close to 3,000 teams are playing in four tournaments this weekend and the smallest of those tournaments appears to be Triple Crown. Capital Hill can meet their quota of teams just from the local volleyball. They don't need the top clubs.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Feb 16, 2022 9:22:55 GMT -5
The problem with steering clear of Presidents Day is you also have to steer clear for the previous weekend and the following weekend. Not many teams want to play in back to back tournaments. And with 750 teams in Capital Hill (per volleyballmag) the tournament is still making money. A wiseman once told me that there is a lot of money to be made in bad volleyball. I'm not saying Capital Hill is bad volleyball, but you do not have to be the best to draw the teams. Close to 3,000 teams are playing in four tournaments this weekend and the smallest of those tournaments appears to be Triple Crown. Capital Hill can meet their quota of teams just from the local volleyball. They don't need the top clubs. Add to that the admission cost of between $5 up to $17 per day and some places charge for parking. You get 100 teams of 10 girls, that brings in at least $5K per day for spectators (1 per kid) not including concessions or team fees for the tournament. UW-Whitewater has almost weekly tournaments consisting of small local clubs who have one team per level and 3's and 4's teams and each age group is typically full. Most locals I have seen this year are now charging $7-8 per day. |
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Post by wonkaman on Feb 16, 2022 10:11:12 GMT -5
Just for fun - let's take a look at Capital Hill Classic. According to Sportswrench, you add up the teams that are registered and accepted and you actually have 1,291 teams (they have a number of boys age groups but the 750 number that Tawa quoted in volleyballmag does not seem to be accurate). The registration fee is $895. 1,291 X $895 = $1,155,445. So that is a good starting point for revenue.
Now let's assume rosters average 12 girls (or boys) per team. Let's assume both parents are going to want to see their kids play. Taking 1,291 teams and multiplying by 12 gives you 15,492 girls and multiplying that by two gives you 30,984 spectators. The cost of admission is $18. 30,984 X 18 = $557,712.
Add $1,155,445 + $557,712 = $1,713,157. That is a nice revenue stream for a weekend of work and that does not include any sponsorship money.
Now there are expenses such as paying employees to set up the volleyball courts and putting down the tiles and working the event. There is also the rent for the convention center and probably advertising costs. But it is still a pretty nice haul. I'm sure there is also some insurance costs that go into setting up such an event, but there seems to be a pretty good revenue stream in holding a successful tournament.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Feb 16, 2022 10:18:31 GMT -5
Just for fun - let's take a look at Capital Hill Classic. According to Sportswrench, you add up the teams that are registered and accepted and you actually have 1,291 teams (they have a number of boys age groups but the 750 number that Tawa quoted in volleyballmag does not seem to be accurate). The registration fee is $895. 1,291 X $895 = $1,155,445. So that is a good starting point for revenue. Now let's assume rosters average 12 girls (or boys) per team. Let's assume both parents are going to want to see their kids play. Taking 1,291 teams and multiplying by 12 gives you 15,492 girls and multiplying that by two gives you 30,984 spectators. The cost of admission is $18. 30,984 X 18 = $557,712. Add $1,155,445 + $557,712 = $1,713,157. That is a nice revenue stream for a weekend of work and that does not include any sponsorship money. Now there are expenses such as paying employees to set up the volleyball courts and putting down the tiles and working the event. There is also the rent for the convention center and probably advertising costs. But it is still a pretty nice haul. I'm sure there is also some insurance costs that go into setting up such an event, but there seems to be a pretty good revenue stream in holding a successful tournament. Don't forget the Referee costs. At $28-35/match, that adds up quickly. 650 matches, 8 matches per team comes out to 5000 matches. At $32, that makes $160K for refs |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Feb 16, 2022 10:19:40 GMT -5
Just for fun - let's take a look at Capital Hill Classic. According to Sportswrench, you add up the teams that are registered and accepted and you actually have 1,291 teams (they have a number of boys age groups but the 750 number that Tawa quoted in volleyballmag does not seem to be accurate). The registration fee is $895. 1,291 X $895 = $1,155,445. So that is a good starting point for revenue. Now let's assume rosters average 12 girls (or boys) per team. Let's assume both parents are going to want to see their kids play. Taking 1,291 teams and multiplying by 12 gives you 15,492 girls and multiplying that by two gives you 30,984 spectators. The cost of admission is $18. 30,984 X 18 = $557,712. Add $1,155,445 + $557,712 = $1,713,157. That is a nice revenue stream for a weekend of work and that does not include any sponsorship money. Now there are expenses such as paying employees to set up the volleyball courts and putting down the tiles and working the event. There is also the rent for the convention center and probably advertising costs. But it is still a pretty nice haul. I'm sure there is also some insurance costs that go into setting up such an event, but there seems to be a pretty good revenue stream in holding a successful tournament. Don't forget the Referee costs. At $28-35/match, that adds up quickly. 650 matches, 8 matches per team comes out to 5000 matches. At $32, that makes $160K for refs But he forgot the Stay to Play kickback! |
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Post by zzyzx on Feb 16, 2022 12:17:35 GMT -5
If I was planning to host a tournament, the first thing I would do is see when the NIT is and steer away from that weekend like it was the plague. NIT has grown quickly in popularity and is the place most major clubs want to be. Pretty easy to figure out When is Prez day next year? Las Vegas Classic has been on President's Day weekend for 36 years, I don't see them ever moving it. SCVA is historically slow to respond to a changing environment, but hey, no entrance fee so we got that going for us. As long as the NIT remains selective and top tier (as they should), there will always be a market President's Day weekend for tournaments for the National, USA, and under-the-radar clubs that don't make the cut for NIT. |
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Post by BuckysHeat on Feb 16, 2022 15:25:21 GMT -5
Pretty easy to figure out When is Prez day next year? Las Vegas Classic has been on President's Day weekend for 36 years, I don't see them ever moving it. SCVA is historically slow to respond to a changing environment, but hey, no entrance fee so we got that going for us. As long as the NIT remains selective and top tier (as they should), there will always be a market President's Day weekend for tournaments for the National, USA, and under-the-radar clubs that don't make the cut for NIT. St Louis has a solid tournament this weekend as well, Circle City, HPSTL, Union, 2nd and 3rd teams from Sting, KIVA, 1st Alliance, AVC, Elevation among others |
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