USAV Club Qualifier Season 2022

[silverchloride]

Apr 4, 2022 18:56:14 GMT -5 stanfordcardinal18 said:

Apr 4, 2022 18:07:39 GMT -5 silverchloride said:

What??!! They actually earned it, why might they not want it? I have seen them play a couple times; Legit team, in my opinion.

I was hearing it was because they want to go to florida instead and were just here for the competition. Still, a pretty crappy move in my opinion

This Legacy Pyramid is a SoCal team. Here is a link

www.advancedeventsystems.com/rankings/152851

[silverchloride]

Yep, so the bid goes to Wave 17s =)

[jammaster]

Apr 4, 2022 18:56:14 GMT -5 stanfordcardinal18 said:

Apr 4, 2022 18:07:39 GMT -5 silverchloride said:

What??!! They actually earned it, why might they not want it? I have seen them play a couple times; Legit team, in my opinion.

I was hearing it was because they want to go to florida instead and were just here for the competition. Still, a pretty crappy move in my opinion

Legacy has really stepped up.  They looked great and took down some serious teams.  The coach has a history that may shed some light on the AAU choice. Make your own call on that.

[moody]

Apr 4, 2022 18:03:43 GMT -5 stanfordcardinal18 said:

Apr 4, 2022 17:54:21 GMT -5 silverchloride said:

SCVA Red Rock Rave NQ, 17 Open results. Coast, T-Street, and Legacy earn bids to JOs. Drive Nation already had a bid from MEQ. Congrats =)

1. Coast
2. Drive Nation
3. Legacy Pyramid (SoCal)
4. T-Street Naseri

Legacy declined their bid for some reason. so wave qualified instead

Aren't there severe consequences for turning down an open bid?

[zzyzx]

Apr 5, 2022 9:06:33 GMT -5 moody said:

Apr 4, 2022 18:03:43 GMT -5 stanfordcardinal18 said:

Legacy declined their bid for some reason. so wave qualified instead

Aren't there severe consequences for turning down an open bid?

from the USAV championship manual:

A Team may not decline an Open Bid. By playing in the Open Division, a Team is acknowledging and confirming its
participation in GJNCs if a Bid is earned. Please Note: An 18 Open bid may not be declined.

Penalties for Not Using a Bid
It is disruptive to the quality of the Event when Bids are returned after being accepted. There are financial
consequences, administrative challenges, and logistical delays for Teams, Region administrators and USAV personnel.
Inevitably this takes opportunities away from other Teams participating in the qualification process.
A Team that does not use a GJNCs Open Bid (13’s-18’s) which it has earned, or a GJNCs National, USA, Liberty,
American, or Freedom Bid which it has earned and accepted may be subject to the following penalties:

Financial Penalties
• 2 months prior to the start of GJNCs– payment of entry fee and $1,000 fine
• If the payment is not received for the GJNCs Event Entry Fee and/or fines, the club director(s), coaches
affiliated with official qualification roster will be prohibited from participating in NQs and GJNCs until the
fee is paid in full. Further legal actions may be taken to ensure payment is received.

Suspension of Participation:
• Club Director suspended from participation in all NQs and/or Regional Qualification Events and GJNCs for
the remainder of the season and the following season.
• Head Coach listed on the official qualification roster suspended from participation in all NQs and/or
Regional Qualification Events and GJNCs for the remainder of the season and the following season.
• All members listed on the official qualification roster suspended from participation in all NQs and/or
Regional Qualification Events and GJNCs for the remainder of the season and the following season.
• Specific age group from club suspended from participation in all NQs and/or Regional Qualification
Events and GJNCs for the remainder of the season and the following season.
• Club or specific team suspended from participation in all NQ and/or Regional Qualification Events and
GJNCs for the remainder of the season and the following season.
• All suspensions will be published and updated on the USAV website.

Additional Penalties:

• USAV reserves the right to impose additional penalties as deemed necessary.
• Regions reserve the right to impose additional penalties to Teams within their Region.

Factors That Will Be Considered for Establishing Penalties:

• Compliancy with deadlines and requirements
• Time of notification from the start of GJNCs
• Previous club/member behavior
• Level of play (Open vs. American)
• Where Bid is earned and accepted (NQ vs. Regional)
• Severity of offense
• Age and Experience
• Region Input

[moody]

Apr 5, 2022 9:21:56 GMT -5 zzyzx said:

Apr 5, 2022 9:06:33 GMT -5 moody said:

Aren't there severe consequences for turning down an open bid?

from the USAV championship manual:

A Team may not decline an Open Bid. By playing in the Open Division, a Team is acknowledging and confirming its
participation in GJNCs if a Bid is earned. Please Note: An 18 Open bid may not be declined.

Penalties for Not Using a Bid
It is disruptive to the quality of the Event when Bids are returned after being accepted. There are financial
consequences, administrative challenges, and logistical delays for Teams, Region administrators and USAV personnel.
Inevitably this takes opportunities away from other Teams participating in the qualification process.
A Team that does not use a GJNCs Open Bid (13’s-18’s) which it has earned, or a GJNCs National, USA, Liberty,
American, or Freedom Bid which it has earned and accepted may be subject to the following penalties:

Financial Penalties
• 2 months prior to the start of GJNCs– payment of entry fee and $1,000 fine
• If the payment is not received for the GJNCs Event Entry Fee and/or fines, the club director(s), coaches
affiliated with official qualification roster will be prohibited from participating in NQs and GJNCs until the
fee is paid in full. Further legal actions may be taken to ensure payment is received.

Suspension of Participation:
• Club Director suspended from participation in all NQs and/or Regional Qualification Events and GJNCs for
the remainder of the season and the following season.
• Head Coach listed on the official qualification roster suspended from participation in all NQs and/or
Regional Qualification Events and GJNCs for the remainder of the season and the following season.
• All members listed on the official qualification roster suspended from participation in all NQs and/or
Regional Qualification Events and GJNCs for the remainder of the season and the following season.
• Specific age group from club suspended from participation in all NQs and/or Regional Qualification
Events and GJNCs for the remainder of the season and the following season.
• Club or specific team suspended from participation in all NQ and/or Regional Qualification Events and
GJNCs for the remainder of the season and the following season.
• All suspensions will be published and updated on the USAV website.

Additional Penalties:

• USAV reserves the right to impose additional penalties as deemed necessary.
• Regions reserve the right to impose additional penalties to Teams within their Region.

Factors That Will Be Considered for Establishing Penalties:

• Compliancy with deadlines and requirements
• Time of notification from the start of GJNCs
• Previous club/member behavior
• Level of play (Open vs. American)
• Where Bid is earned and accepted (NQ vs. Regional)
• Severity of offense
• Age and Experience
• Region Input

So, I am guessing Legacy did NOT turn down this bid.

[mnvbmom]

I think Legacy earned an Open bid at MEQ's (according to usavolley.sharepoint.com/:x:/g/EXDIXosLDlJCmRKeZ1zzIh8BbQkdDZS-R8cYCTKp-9fLeQ?e=neWDFG)

[mnvbmom]

Apr 5, 2022 10:38:05 GMT -5 mnvbmom said:

I think Legacy earned an Open bid at MEQ's (according to usavolley.sharepoint.com/:x:/g/EXDIXosLDlJCmRKeZ1zzIh8BbQkdDZS-R8cYCTKp-9fLeQ?e=neWDFG)

Sorry -- my mistake -- this is not Legacy Pyramid.

[lotstodo2023]

it is very rare to decline an open bid because you are basically black balled for a couple years. I would doubt they declined it.

[silverchloride]

Apr 5, 2022 11:31:01 GMT -5 lotstodo2023 said:

it is very rare to decline an open bid because you are basically black balled for a couple years. I would doubt they declined it.

I am certain that the bid trickled down to 8th place, Wave 17s. That means that Legacy Pyramid did not get/accept the bid. I have no idea why.

[zzyzx]

http://instagr.am/p/Cb-aBBjFnjB

doesn't say they accepted the bid, doesn't say they didn't 🤷
right now:
1 - Coast 17-1 ✔️
2 - Drive Nation 17-Red - previously qualified MEQ
3 - Legacy Girls 17 Pyramid - 🤷
4 - Tstreet 17-Naseri - 🤷
5 - Club V Red Reed - previously qualified SLC
6 - AZ Rev 17 Premier - previously qualified SLC
7 - ID Crush 17 Bower - previously qualified Pac NW
8 - Wave 17-Juliana - ✔️

[silverchloride]

Apr 5, 2022 13:16:18 GMT -5 zzyzx said:

http://instagr.am/p/Cb-aBBjFnjB

doesn't say they accepted the bid, doesn't say they didn't 🤷
right now:
1 - Coast 17-1 ✔️
2 - Drive Nation 17-Red - previously qualified MEQ
3 - Legacy Girls 17 Pyramid - 🤷
4 - Tstreet 17-Naseri - 🤷
5 - Club V Red Reed - previously qualified SLC
6 - AZ Rev 17 Premier - 🤷
7 - ID Crush 17 Bower - previously qualified Pac NW
8 - Wave 17-Juliana - ✔️

AZ Rev 17 Premier - 🤷 to previously qualified SLC

[woodandsand]

Apr 5, 2022 13:54:28 GMT -5 silverchloride said:

Apr 5, 2022 13:16:18 GMT -5 zzyzx said:

http://instagr.am/p/Cb-aBBjFnjB

doesn't say they accepted the bid, doesn't say they didn't 🤷
right now:
1 - Coast 17-1 ✔️
2 - Drive Nation 17-Red - previously qualified MEQ
3 - Legacy Girls 17 Pyramid - 🤷
4 - Tstreet 17-Naseri - 🤷
5 - Club V Red Reed - previously qualified SLC
6 - AZ Rev 17 Premier - 🤷
7 - ID Crush 17 Bower - previously qualified Pac NW
8 - Wave 17-Juliana - ✔️

AZ Rev 17 Premier - 🤷 to previously qualified SLC

AZ Rev - Qualified in SLC
TStreet 17-Naseri - did qualify in USA at SLC. Not sure why they wouldn't want to upgrade to Open unless really wanting to compete against far less comp at Nationals to try for that Medal?

Guessing Legacy (Southern Cal) - guessing they go AAU route or want a bid to lower division as well?

[silverchloride]

Apr 5, 2022 14:41:40 GMT -5 woodandsand said:

Apr 5, 2022 13:54:28 GMT -5 silverchloride said:

AZ Rev 17 Premier - 🤷 to previously qualified SLC

AZ Rev - Qualified in SLC
TStreet 17-Naseri - did qualify in USA at SLC. Not sure why they wouldn't want to upgrade to Open unless really wanting to compete against far less comp at Nationals to try for that Medal?

Guessing Legacy (Southern Cal) - guessing they go AAU route or want a bid to lower division as well?

My opinion, since Pyramid Got 3rd at a Qualifier and Legit earned their bid, they are an Open Level team. I get the "go to AAU", but if you already earned an Open bid for USAV JOs? They are not giving those away =)

[woodandsand]

100% agree and don't understand the sentiment of earning that Open bid and then passing it by!