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Post by eazy on Dec 12, 2021 17:22:26 GMT -5
Except someone breaking into your house isn't a judgement call. The line between a throw and a legal play is. So on it makes sense that if the officiating crew has determined in their judgement that a particular play is legal, they shouldn't change that judgment 3/4 of the way through the game. the rules are stated in the rule book, and not created by some reliance interest. the players and fans ought to feel lucky on those plays that were not called, rather than be outraged by those that were. Don't act like there's no such thing as a judgement call just because there are words in the rule book. If the throws had been called in the first set, then Eggleston likely would have adjusted. They were going to lose the first set either way, so one judgement call setting the precedent would not have changed the outcome. Coaches expect the first set to be used to dictate how ball handling will be called. Allowing it for 3.5 sets and then changing what is legal in the middle of the 4th set is wrong. As most people have agreed, that last one called was no worse than the previous ones that were not called. I'm not for or against throws being called tighter. I don't care. Just be consistent. It's disappointing that the doubles are called dramatically different based on who the R1 is, but as long as that R1 is consistent throughout the entire match, then both teams have a fair ability to know what they can get away with. |
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Post by nellynel on Dec 12, 2021 17:38:08 GMT -5
Good match. So happy my Huskers are going to Columbus. The fact that we are in the final four is incredible. If you said this in early October, I would have said NO WAY. Our offense always seems to go one way or the other. Either Kubik and Caffey are hot and the freshman are struggling, or the other way around. It's nice to know your offense is balanced so this can happen. Aaah I feel for Texas, they are a quality program. They are always so intimidating, reminds of the Brazilians, and so confident, so strong. The momentum was always on Huskers' side. Their ball control is so steady. See you next year Texas Longhorns, always an exciting team to watch and play against. In the gym the momentum was on the Texas side after being down 19-11 in the second and clawing back to 22-22. The whole gym felt like the comeback against UW was about to happen. You could see the NU staff getting nervous, The noise was crazy, the wave was about to crush Nebraska then point 22, Texas service error. Point 23 Texas service error, Nebraska match point, match over. They battled and took set 3 but losing set 2 changed the trajectory of the match IMO. |
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Post by vollectator on Dec 12, 2021 17:43:59 GMT -5
the rules are stated in the rule book, and not created by some reliance interest. the players and fans ought to feel lucky on those plays that were not called, rather than be outraged by those that were. Don't act like there's no such thing as a judgement call just because there are words in the rule book. If the throws had been called in the first set, then Eggleston likely would have adjusted. They were going to lose the first set either way, so one judgement call setting the precedent would not have changed the outcome. Coaches expect the first set to be used to dictate how ball handling will be called. Allowing it for 3.5 sets and then changing what is legal in the middle of the 4th set is wrong. As most people have agreed, that last one called was no worse than the previous ones that were not called. I'm not for or against throws being called tighter. I don't care. Just be consistent. It's disappointing that the doubles are called dramatically different based on who the R1 is, but as long as that R1 is consistent throughout the entire match, then both teams have a fair ability to know what they can get away with. if the first throw were called, would you argue that the call had never been made the entire season (otherwise Eggleston would have adjusted)? Eggleston made that argument. the refs don't have a blank sheet of paper to draw up their notion of a throw. their judgement is constrained by the rules in the book. missed calls shouldn't have the effect of rule making. my take is that you ride those missed calls as far as you can, but don't complain if and when you do get called on it. |
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Post by volleyparent on Dec 12, 2021 18:00:08 GMT -5
the rules are stated in the rule book, and not created by some reliance interest. the players and fans ought to feel lucky on those plays that were not called, rather than be outraged by those that were. Don't act like there's no such thing as a judgement call just because there are words in the rule book. If the throws had been called in the first set, then Eggleston likely would have adjusted. They were going to lose the first set either way, so one judgement call setting the precedent would not have changed the outcome. Coaches expect the first set to be used to dictate how ball handling will be called. Allowing it for 3.5 sets and then changing what is legal in the middle of the 4th set is wrong. As most people have agreed, that last one called was no worse than the previous ones that were not called. I'm not for or against throws being called tighter. I don't care. Just be consistent. It's disappointing that the doubles are called dramatically different based on who the R1 is, but as long as that R1 is consistent throughout the entire match, then both teams have a fair ability to know what they can get away with. I think Logan Eggleston is amazing. She is so strong. I don't understand why she (and her coaches) continue to use something that is pretty unconventional. I know there are others that use the power tip, but man, hers are all her own. She contacts the ball longer than other players. Don't her coaches know that many feel it is illegal contact? The commentators talk about it, the other coaches talk to the officials about it, other outsides don't use it as much... It was bound to happen at one point or another! |
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Post by eazy on Dec 12, 2021 18:00:48 GMT -5
Don't act like there's no such thing as a judgement call just because there are words in the rule book. If the throws had been called in the first set, then Eggleston likely would have adjusted. They were going to lose the first set either way, so one judgement call setting the precedent would not have changed the outcome. Coaches expect the first set to be used to dictate how ball handling will be called. Allowing it for 3.5 sets and then changing what is legal in the middle of the 4th set is wrong. As most people have agreed, that last one called was no worse than the previous ones that were not called. I'm not for or against throws being called tighter. I don't care. Just be consistent. It's disappointing that the doubles are called dramatically different based on who the R1 is, but as long as that R1 is consistent throughout the entire match, then both teams have a fair ability to know what they can get away with. if the first throw were called, would you argue that the call had never been made the entire season (otherwise Eggleston would have adjusted)? Eggleston made that argument. the refs don't have a blank sheet of paper to draw up their notion of a throw. their judgement is constrained by the rules in the book. missed calls shouldn't have the effect of rule making. my take is that you ride those missed calls as far as you can, but don't complain if and when you do get called on it. No, I wouldn't. As I mentioned, it is unfortunate that that different officials interpret the rules differently. In this tournament alone we've seen officials that do not call double contacts, and officials that call double contacts whenever the ball rotates. It's unfortunate, but it's the nature of sports with human officials. IF they had had that specific official multiple times during the year and she never called it and then suddenly she did during the post-season, that could be a valid complaint. But the same official calling the same play differently multiple times within a 2 hour period is an issue. |
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Post by eov4nu on Dec 12, 2021 18:02:24 GMT -5
the rules are stated in the rule book, and not created by some reliance interest. the players and fans ought to feel lucky on those plays that were not called, rather than be outraged by those that were. Don't act like there's no such thing as a judgement call just because there are words in the rule book. If the throws had been called in the first set, then Eggleston likely would have adjusted. They were going to lose the first set either way, so one judgement call setting the precedent would not have changed the outcome. Coaches expect the first set to be used to dictate how ball handling will be called. Allowing it for 3.5 sets and then changing what is legal in the middle of the 4th set is wrong. As most people have agreed, that last one called was no worse than the previous ones that were not called. I'm not for or against throws being called tighter. I don't care. Just be consistent. It's disappointing that the doubles are called dramatically different based on who the R1 is, but as long as that R1 is consistent throughout the entire match, then both teams have a fair ability to know what they can get away with. Total judgement call. To me I would compare it to an officiating crew not calling close physical contact in a basketball game then all of a sudden calling fouls at the end of a game when they had let the same physical contact go the entire game. I didn't like the no call at the beginning but she was consistent. I kind of felt like this season that the NCAA had made a priority of tightening up power tips in the matches that Nebraska played in and matches I watched on TV. So when she didn't call the first few I was kind of surprised. |
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Post by nellynel on Dec 12, 2021 18:03:58 GMT -5
Don't act like there's no such thing as a judgement call just because there are words in the rule book. If the throws had been called in the first set, then Eggleston likely would have adjusted. They were going to lose the first set either way, so one judgement call setting the precedent would not have changed the outcome. Coaches expect the first set to be used to dictate how ball handling will be called. Allowing it for 3.5 sets and then changing what is legal in the middle of the 4th set is wrong. As most people have agreed, that last one called was no worse than the previous ones that were not called. I'm not for or against throws being called tighter. I don't care. Just be consistent. It's disappointing that the doubles are called dramatically different based on who the R1 is, but as long as that R1 is consistent throughout the entire match, then both teams have a fair ability to know what they can get away with. I think Logan Eggleston is amazing. She is so strong. I don't understand why she (and her coaches) continue to use something that is pretty unconventional. I know there are others that use the power tip, but man, hers are all her own. She contacts the ball longer than other players. Don't her coaches know that many feel it is illegal contact? The commentators talk about it, the other coaches talk to the officials about it, other outsides don't use it as much... It was bound to happen at one point or another! Why is the same conversation not being had about Caffey? She routinely slam dunks the ball. The NU staff did a good job of lobbying during the game, JE should have done the same with Caffey. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 18:04:23 GMT -5
if the first throw were called, would you argue that the call had never been made the entire season (otherwise Eggleston would have adjusted)? Eggleston made that argument. the refs don't have a blank sheet of paper to draw up their notion of a throw. their judgement is constrained by the rules in the book. missed calls shouldn't have the effect of rule making. my take is that you ride those missed calls as far as you can, but don't complain if and when you do get called on it. No, I wouldn't. As I mentioned, it is unfortunate that that different officials interpret the rules differently. In this tournament alone we've seen officials that do not call double contacts, and officials that call double contacts whenever the ball rotates. It's unfortunate, but it's the nature of sports with human officials. IF they had had that specific official multiple times during the year and she never called it and then suddenly she did during the post-season, that could be a valid complaint. But the same official calling the same play differently multiple times within a 2 hour period is an issue. Well said. Especially your last paragraph. This is sports and some calls are subjective. Even further, this is volleyball where players have a split second of a touch to try and manipulate the ball. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 18:06:35 GMT -5
I think Logan Eggleston is amazing. She is so strong. I don't understand why she (and her coaches) continue to use something that is pretty unconventional. I know there are others that use the power tip, but man, hers are all her own. She contacts the ball longer than other players. Don't her coaches know that many feel it is illegal contact? The commentators talk about it, the other coaches talk to the officials about it, other outsides don't use it as much... It was bound to happen at one point or another! Why is the same conversation not being had about Caffey? She routinely slam dunks the ball. The NU staff did a good job of lobbying during the game, JE should have done the same with Caffey. I honestly cannot recall Caffey grossly slam dunking a ball. I’ve seen her hook at it in an attempt to make something out of some of the forced sets but nothing with prolonged contact. Purely out of curiosity, Is there a particular match we can reference? |
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Post by nellynel on Dec 12, 2021 18:11:07 GMT -5
Why is the same conversation not being had about Caffey? She routinely slam dunks the ball. The NU staff did a good job of lobbying during the game, JE should have done the same with Caffey. I honestly cannot recall Caffey grossly slam dunking a ball. I’ve seen her hook at it in an attempt to make something out of some of the forced sets but nothing with prolonged contact. Purely out of curiosity, Is there a particular match we can reference? There was one in the Texas match where it look like she palmed it live. But I have see her throughout the year get away with similar dunks. |
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Post by photos1 on Dec 12, 2021 18:13:14 GMT -5
I honestly cannot recall Caffey grossly slam dunking a ball. I’ve seen her hook at it in an attempt to make something out of some of the forced sets but nothing with prolonged contact. Purely out of curiosity, Is there a particular match we can reference? There was one in the Texas match where it look like she palmed it live. But I have see her throughout the year get away with similar dunks. No |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Dec 12, 2021 18:35:07 GMT -5
I think Logan Eggleston is amazing. She is so strong. I don't understand why she (and her coaches) continue to use something that is pretty unconventional. I know there are others that use the power tip, but man, hers are all her own. She contacts the ball longer than other players. Don't her coaches know that many feel it is illegal contact? The commentators talk about it, the other coaches talk to the officials about it, other outsides don't use it as much... It was bound to happen at one point or another! Why is the same conversation not being had about Caffey? She routinely slam dunks the ball. The NU staff did a good job of lobbying during the game, JE should have done the same with Caffey. It’s been mentioned a ton in this thread, Stivrins too |
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Post by WMegs55 on Dec 12, 2021 18:37:25 GMT -5
Proud of Wisconsin for being the only team winning today who realized that they haven't won yet and skipped the pile Along those lines, side acknowledgment of Serena Gray who literally patted her teammates on the head in their pile while smiling as she kept standing 😂 |
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Post by huskernmn on Dec 12, 2021 18:40:05 GMT -5
During post game comments on Nebraska radio, JB asked Tyler about some kurfuffle between the Nebraska coaches and the Texas coaches. Tyler said that Jerrod would "talk to them". Anyone know the details behind the fighting between the coaches?
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Post by BuckysHeat on Dec 12, 2021 18:41:08 GMT -5
Proud of Wisconsin for being the only team winning today who realized that they haven't won yet and skipped the pile Along those lines, side acknowledgment of Serena Gray who literally patted her teammates on the head in their pile while smiling as she kept standing 😂 My kid hates piles, when they went to state her freshman year, I have video of doing the same thing as Gray. Approaching from the side and patting a couple of teammates before moving on. This year, she got caught at the bottom and got flattened. She thinks she had more bruises from those 30 seconds than she picked up over the rest of the weekend playing every point over the 3 days and hitting the floor about 50 times. |
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