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Post by MonicaGeller on Nov 15, 2022 18:48:36 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed that this thread has the most bitchin’ of any team thread out there? Why do you think that is? Are we all just cranky or are we expecting too much?
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Post by bvolley17 on Nov 15, 2022 19:35:29 GMT -5
Haha too true! I don’t know that we expect too much. It’s just difficult to go from building into the sustained success we were achieving prior to Eve and Tyler’s departure to the current state of things. I think the one thing most everyone agrees is that we have a tremendous amount of talent that isn’t translating into results that you would expect to match it. Has anyone noticed that this thread has the most bitchin’ of any team thread out there? Why do you think that is? Are we all just cranky or are we expecting too much? |
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Post by MonicaGeller on Nov 15, 2022 20:20:24 GMT -5
I would really like to see UNC actually develop a player and the team for 4 full years - where seniors are strong and confident and underclassmem are happy to learn and get a bit of court time. Where no one is made promises and no one transfers in or out and the culture is one of Learning, everyone getting better and gelling as a team. Where if you are having a bad match someone will go in for you with confidence and you don’t resent that. And where every played could confidently step on the court and do their role if your a starter or not. Where athletes are appreciated for the many hours they put in and they know they are getting better and will at some point get a chance to play and maybe win some games. Where people who yell at other players on the court get benched and people who don’t work hard in practice don’t get to play.
Is that too much to ask? Probably, but we can always dream 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by bvolley17 on Nov 15, 2022 20:32:28 GMT -5
That’s be great. I think it could be possible (minus the transfers… it’s going to happen regardless nowadays). For me, I think avoiding massive recruiting classes could really help with that. A class the size of ours last year - and highly rated - is a four-year type of class. It makes it hard to keep people happy and continue molding a program by adding new talent and key pieces every year. I think our exodus of transfers in the recent history has caused us to need a big class… but that’s still an issue and will ultimately lead to some transfers out I’m sure.
Someone way more familiar with recruiting will need to chime in here, but are these kids being promised stuff and then not getting it cause others were promised? Or do kids just think they are going to come in and beat everyone out? Babic was already in the class and is 6-0 and a lefty, and a top 15 recruit. Bostic had to have known it’d be hard to earn time, right? Mo and Swift come in knowing Merkler has one secured and Skyy also returning. I’m just using those two as examples… but it’s weird to me how kids are unhappy and transfer but you would expect they should have known things like this were a possibility, no?
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Post by Friday on Nov 15, 2022 23:57:42 GMT -5
That’s be great. I think it could be possible (minus the transfers… it’s going to happen regardless nowadays). For me, I think avoiding massive recruiting classes could really help with that. A class the size of ours last year - and highly rated - is a four-year type of class. It makes it hard to keep people happy and continue molding a program by adding new talent and key pieces every year. I think our exodus of transfers in the recent history has caused us to need a big class… but that’s still an issue and will ultimately lead to some transfers out I’m sure. Someone way more familiar with recruiting will need to chime in here, but are these kids being promised stuff and then not getting it cause others were promised? Or do kids just think they are going to come in and beat everyone out? Babic was already in the class and is 6-0 and a lefty, and a top 15 recruit. Bostic had to have known it’d be hard to earn time, right? Mo and Swift come in knowing Merkler has one secured and Skyy also returning. I’m just using those two as examples… but it’s weird to me how kids are unhappy and transfer but you would expect they should have known things like this were a possibility, no? And I believe Mitrovich was still on roster too. One of the setters was taking a gamble coming in. |
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Post by tarheellife on Nov 16, 2022 7:05:47 GMT -5
For me it is infuriating that Mogridge family can demand playing time or anything for that matter! I heard that this happened from multiple sources. But what is more incensing is that the coaches would cave to those demands.
Is anyone else as mad about this is as I am, and how is it that Bubba tolerates this?!
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Post by tarheellife on Nov 16, 2022 7:12:21 GMT -5
Amen!! I would really like to see UNC actually develop a player and the team for 4 full years - where seniors are strong and confident and underclassmem are happy to learn and get a bit of court time. Where no one is made promises and no one transfers in or out and the culture is one of Learning, everyone getting better and gelling as a team. Where if you are having a bad match someone will go in for you with confidence and you don’t resent that. And where every played could confidently step on the court and do their role if your a starter or not. Where athletes are appreciated for the many hours they put in and they know they are getting better and will at some point get a chance to play and maybe win some games. Where people who yell at other players on the court get benched and people who don’t work hard in practice don’t get to play. Is that too much to ask? Probably, but we can always dream 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by caarmadillovb on Nov 16, 2022 7:57:19 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed that this thread has the most bitchin’ of any team thread out there? Why do you think that is? Are we all just cranky or are we expecting too much? My guess is that everyone is expecting too much. UNC is a great athletic school, but just a good volleyball program. When I say good I mean not a perennial tournament team, but historically a once every 3 to 4 year type of team. The frustration lies in the success the Heels had with the relatively brief time with Eve, and the lack thereof after her departure. Also, I am sure that many on this board want the same success as all of the other teams in the athletic program. That said, its seems as though they are getting the right players in, and have the potential to be great, although you could say that about a lot of mid level ACC schools. Potential is there, just needs the right mix somewhere. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Nov 16, 2022 8:09:52 GMT -5
When I say good I mean not a perennial tournament team, but historically a once every 3 to 4 year type of team. If by this you mean "15 tournament appearances in the last 23 years," then yeah. |
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Post by caarmadillovb on Nov 16, 2022 8:12:11 GMT -5
When I say good I mean not a perennial tournament team, but historically a once every 3 to 4 year type of team. If by this you mean "15 tournament appearances in the last 23 years," then yeah. I stand corrected for that time frame. Thank you. |
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Post by MonicaGeller on Nov 16, 2022 9:03:30 GMT -5
Has anyone noticed that this thread has the most bitchin’ of any team thread out there? Why do you think that is? Are we all just cranky or are we expecting too much? My guess is that everyone is expecting too much. UNC is a great athletic school, but just a good volleyball program. When I say good I mean not a perennial tournament team, but historically a once every 3 to 4 year type of team. The frustration lies in the success the Heels had with the relatively brief time with Eve, and the lack thereof after her departure. Also, I am sure that many on this board want the same success as all of the other teams in the athletic program. That said, its seems as though they are getting the right players in, and have the potential to be great, although you could say that about a lot of mid level ACC schools. Potential is there, just needs the right mix somewhere. 100% agree - expectations are high and with the gong show is transfers both in and out this can not happen. Can coaches keep this group all working together for the next 4 years to get better and create the success they crave? Maybe - I hope so. A team gains success when everyone is working towards the same goal and coaches are part of the team. Their job is to make sure everyone reaches their full potential and then take that potential they built and gain the best results possible. The athletes have to WANT to do their best for these coaches and feel confident that they have been trained to get there. Any player that gets time on UNC and is not a started looks like a deer in the headlights - and absolutely fears screwing up and getting that leash yanked. |
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Post by volleyheels10 on Nov 16, 2022 9:24:43 GMT -5
As stated, the problem with large recruiting classes is that all of the talented players are used to being the best in high school and club and even some top players ride the bench for a year or two, but feel they could contribute somewhere else and leave. I think that sometimes stockpiling too big of a class can lead to more transfers because of less playing time. More transfers equals less continuity. Sometimes it is better to have more balanced recruiting classes with 3-4 kids a year than having 7 or 8 come in at one time.
Simply put, UNC was a team that took off in 2014, had injuries in 2015, then took off again in 2016. In 2017, they were a favorite to go to the Elite 8/Final 4 then injuries derailed that. Then, we had the Harrison/Cox/Bell class coming in that would have joined Carlton, Scoles, Borup, Leath and be a formidable team. However, the wheels fell off and we havent gotten back to prominence since even with all the talent. At the end of the day, Susan was a big part of running players off and making promises on the recruiting train and turning the charm on. Then when they got on campus, the real Susan came out and Joe didnt manage it at all.
You cannot blame lack of results on lack of talent. It is pure and simple lack of effective development and coaching. And in defense of these freshmen that are touted, they would form a top 25 team somewhere with good coaching....plenty of teams have relied on large freshmen classes like this one and been challenging top teams from the jump. This is the University of North Carolina. We expect so much because we have some of the best athletics in the country in all other sports. Why expect less for volleyball?
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Post by MonicaGeller on Nov 16, 2022 9:33:56 GMT -5
As stated, the problem with large recruiting classes is that all of the talented players are used to being the best in high school and club and even some top players ride the bench for a year or two, but feel they could contribute somewhere else and leave. I think that sometimes stockpiling too big of a class can lead to more transfers because of less playing time. More transfers equals less continuity. Sometimes it is better to have more balanced recruiting classes with 3-4 kids a year than having 7 or 8 come in at one time. Simply put, UNC was a team that took off in 2014, had injuries in 2015, then took off again in 2016. In 2017, they were a favorite to go to the Elite 8/Final 4 then injuries derailed that. Then, we had the Harrison/Cox/Bell class coming in that would have joined Carlton, Scoles, Borup, Leath and be a formidable team. However, the wheels fell off and we havent gotten back to prominence since even with all the talent. At the end of the day, Susan was a big part of running players off and making promises on the recruiting train and turning the charm on. Then when they got on campus, the real Susan came out and Joe didnt manage it at all. You cannot blame lack of results on lack of talent. It is pure and simple lack of effective development and coaching. And in defense of these freshmen that are touted, they would form a top 25 team somewhere with good coaching....plenty of teams have relied on large freshmen classes like this one and been challenging top teams from the jump. This is the University of North Carolina. We expect so much because we have some of the best athletics in the country in all other sports. Why expect less for volleyball? Well said! |
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Post by tarheellife on Nov 16, 2022 9:42:32 GMT -5
It’s UNC!! All of us that went here and even more so the ones who played a sport know that we should never expect less. It’s time volleyball makes changes to do the same.
It starts with not tolerating team detrimental behavior and actually developing players.
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Post by volleyheels10 on Nov 16, 2022 9:53:40 GMT -5
It’s UNC!! All of us that went here and even more so the ones who played a sport know that we should never expect less. It’s time volleyball makes changes to do the same. It starts with not tolerating team detrimental behavior and actually developing players. Ridiculous that BC cant have the strength to do what needs to be done. He certainly had no problem canning Hatchell. He then made a homerun hire in Banghart. There are plenty of coaches that would knock the door down to be the head volleyball coach at UNC. Salary might be a tad low, but resources are not. UNC also recruits itself. Meanwhile UNC Volleyball continues to be embarrassed on the national stage. There are no excuses. |
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