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Post by wahinefan on Dec 17, 2021 2:37:50 GMT -5
There are 3 teams I will never root for Penn St., Nebraska, and Washington, in that order. PSU not even making it to the Regionals made me very happy, Washington getting beat by Texas, overjoyed. Wisconsin beating Nebraska will make it a perfect complete season.
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Post by bballnut90 on Dec 17, 2021 2:46:20 GMT -5
Elliott is 53, he could have 15-20 more years in the tank. Cook isn't young at 65 but also could have another 8-10 years left. At least for the next 4-5 years, his roster is insanely stacked. They're going to be loaded for the next 3-4 years and are landing top kids left and right. I doubt he leaves anytime in the next 5 years with the talent he has on board. You really believe Cook is going to still be coaching in his 70's, even his late 60's. Do you not understand the stress these coaches are under, and how many hours they put in. All of this is Ok when your young, but when a person gets into their mid-60's and beyond, it really starts to take a toll health wise. At any time now, I am expecting Russ Rose to announce his retirement. Yeah, I'll be shocked if he retires before 70, barring health concerns. He's shown no implications of slowing down and his program is in the championship and lined up to be a true title contender for the next 5 years. It's also not unheard of for coaches to coach into their 70s. Mick Haley was 73 or 74 when he was let go, Coach K at Duke is 74, and there are other examples too. Russ Rose is a different situation altogether. Penn State hasn't been nearly as good the past 4 seasons and isn't projected to be a championship contender going forward. There's no upside for him here on out after he's won 7 titles. There's massive upside for Cook, and he's likely chomping at the bit to coach these incoming recruits. |
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Post by rainbowsets on Dec 17, 2021 2:56:34 GMT -5
There are 3 teams I will never root for Penn St., Nebraska, and Washington, in that order. PSU not even making it to the Regionals made me very happy, Washington getting beat by Texas, overjoyed. Wisconsin beating Nebraska will make it a perfect complete season. oh my smrek. shut up. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 17, 2021 2:58:12 GMT -5
You really believe Cook is going to still be coaching in his 70's, even his late 60's. Do you not understand the stress these coaches are under, and how many hours they put in. All of this is Ok when your young, but when a person gets into their mid-60's and beyond, it really starts to take a toll health wise. At any time now, I am expecting Russ Rose to announce his retirement. Yeah, I'll be shocked if he retires before 70, barring health concerns. He's shown no implications of slowing down and his program is in the championship and lined up to be a true title contender for the next 5 years. It's also not unheard of for coaches to coach into their 70s. Mick Haley was 73 or 74 when he was let go, Coach K at Duke is 74, and there are other examples too. Russ Rose is a different situation altogether. Penn State hasn't been nearly as good the past 4 seasons and isn't projected to be a championship contender going forward. There's no upside for him here on out after he's won 7 titles. There's massive upside for Cook, and he's likely chomping at the bit to coach these incoming recruits. That is the thing though, barring health concerns. Everyone knows health issues start to arise when a person gets over the age of 65. Not wishing anything like that for Cook, or any Head Coach aroung that age, or older, but with the stress level and long hours they work, would it be worth it. Versus, staying in coaching as long as they can, retiring and not enjoying life due to health concerns due to the stress and long hours while coaching, or retiring and enjoying the remainder of the life free of health concerns. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 17, 2021 3:01:32 GMT -5
Dave Shoji, one of the winningest Head Coaches around, was very smart to retire when he did. Now he is enjoying life, without any stress.
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Post by bballnut90 on Dec 17, 2021 3:08:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll be shocked if he retires before 70, barring health concerns. He's shown no implications of slowing down and his program is in the championship and lined up to be a true title contender for the next 5 years. It's also not unheard of for coaches to coach into their 70s. Mick Haley was 73 or 74 when he was let go, Coach K at Duke is 74, and there are other examples too. Russ Rose is a different situation altogether. Penn State hasn't been nearly as good the past 4 seasons and isn't projected to be a championship contender going forward. There's no upside for him here on out after he's won 7 titles. There's massive upside for Cook, and he's likely chomping at the bit to coach these incoming recruits. That is the thing though, barring health concerns. Everyone knows health issues start to arise when a person gets over the age of 65. Not wishing anything like that for Cook, or any Head Coach aroung that age, or older, but with the stress level and long hours they work, would it be worth it. Versus, staying in coaching as long as they can, retiring and not enjoying life due to health concerns due to the stress and long hours while coaching, or retiring and enjoying the remainder of the life free of health concerns. Yep that all makes sense. I guess we can just agree to have different predictions on how Cook decides to spend the next 5-10 years. At any rate, Nebraska is well positioned to be an elite program for the next 5+ years whether it's Cook, Hildebrand, DBK, or someone else running the show. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 17, 2021 3:11:57 GMT -5
The NCAA D1 Women's Volleyball is becoming more and more competitive with the influx of these young and talented Head Coaches. It is not a given that teams like Nebraska, and Texas will stay on top. Just the competition will add to the stress level on some of these aging Head Coaches. We have seen this in the last couple of years. There will be more teams like Louisville, Kentucky, etc. rising up and making a mark. Putting a lot of pressure on those teams and Head Coaches to stay on Top. What kind of effect it will have on these aging Head Coaches, time will tell. Quite possibly having Head Coaches in the future deciding to retire earlier, then trying to hang on, and ruin their will being, not enjoying life.
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 17, 2021 3:25:41 GMT -5
If John Cook wants to have the kind of run Russ Rose enjoyed, it will be a lot more difficult to do so now, and will be more difficult to do so going forward. No matter what kind of talent John Cook can put together. The talent level is becoming much better and spreading out amongst teams. Unlike 10 years ago, when Russ Rose made his run, or even when Stanford made their run.
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Post by Wiswell on Dec 17, 2021 3:33:55 GMT -5
If you look at the ages of some of the Head Coaches on predominately Top Teams, these coaches will not be around much longer. Where as, the Head Coaches on these up and coming teams, are quite young. Not to mention, the majority of them are Female. History has shown that coaches do not coach into their 70's, especially their 80's. A lot of these Head Coaches, on predominantly Top Teams, are getting close to that age. Sheffield is only 51 |
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Post by bballnut90 on Dec 17, 2021 3:46:33 GMT -5
The NCAA D1 Women's Volleyball is becoming more and more competitive with the influx of these young and talented Head Coaches. It is not a given that teams like Nebraska, and Texas will stay on top. Just the competition will add to the stress level on some of these aging Head Coaches. We have seen this in the last couple of years. There will be more teams like Louisville, Kentucky, etc. rising up and making a mark. Putting a lot of pressure on those teams and Head Coaches to stay on Top. What kind of effect it will have on these aging Head Coaches, time will tell. Quite possibly having Head Coaches in the future deciding to retire earlier, then trying to hang on, and ruin their will being, not enjoying life. This seems more wishful than anything. Who are all of these young and talented coaches aside from DBK and Keegan Cook? And I wouldn't call Elliott "aging", he's 53. He has a lot left in the tank and is close in age with many other coaches at rising programs. For comparison, Skinner is 51, Sheff is 51, Fisher is 45, McGuyre is 45, Hambly is 48, McCutcheon is 52, etc. Flynn-Oldenberg, Olmstead, and Collier are all in their 40s too. Not sure who else is on track to create a new powerhouse in volleyball. As for Elliott specifically, he has been dealing with pressure to stay on top for the last 15 years, and he's been able to consistently recruit top kids and keep Texas a title favorite even if he's only won 1 title. I see no signs of Texas slowing down. As for John Cook, if anything he's become a better coach in his 60s than he was in his 40s and 50s. From the ages of 59 to 65, John Cook has led Nebraska to 4 title game appearances in 7 years and 5 Final Fours in 7 years. He's also recruiting better than ever before. If anything, aging has produced better results for him than when he was younger. Obviously this success wont last forever as he isn't getting younger, but I'm not seeing any inclination that the competition is surpassing him, the game is passing him by, or that his well being is getting overwhelmed by coaching. |
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Post by wahinefan on Dec 17, 2021 3:54:28 GMT -5
The NCAA D1 Women's Volleyball is becoming more and more competitive with the influx of these young and talented Head Coaches. It is not a given that teams like Nebraska, and Texas will stay on top. Just the competition will add to the stress level on some of these aging Head Coaches. We have seen this in the last couple of years. There will be more teams like Louisville, Kentucky, etc. rising up and making a mark. Putting a lot of pressure on those teams and Head Coaches to stay on Top. What kind of effect it will have on these aging Head Coaches, time will tell. Quite possibly having Head Coaches in the future deciding to retire earlier, then trying to hang on, and ruin their will being, not enjoying life. This seems more wishful than anything. Who are all of these young and talented coaches aside from DBK and Keegan Cook? And I wouldn't call Elliott "aging", he's 53. He has a lot left in the tank and is close in age with many other coaches at rising programs. For comparison, Skinner is 51, Sheff is 51, Fisher is 45, McGuyre is 45, Hambly is 48, McCutcheon is 52, etc. Flynn-Oldenberg, Olmstead, and Collier are all in their 40s too. Not sure who else is on track to create a new powerhouse in volleyball. As for Elliott specifically, he has been dealing with pressure to stay on top for the last 15 years, and he's been able to consistently recruit top kids and keep Texas a title favorite even if he's only won 1 title. I see no signs of Texas slowing down. As for John Cook, if anything he's become a better coach in his 60s than he was in his 40s and 50s. From the ages of 59 to 65, John Cook has led Nebraska to 4 title game appearances in 7 years and 5 Final Fours in 7 years. He's also recruiting better than ever before. If anything, aging has produced better results for him than when he was younger. Obviously this success wont last forever as he isn't getting younger, but I'm not seeing any inclination that the competition is surpassing him, the game is passing him by, or that his well being is getting overwhelmed by coaching. The competition and game will sooner, then later pass him by, just like what is occurring with Russ Rose. |
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Post by akbar on Dec 17, 2021 6:18:32 GMT -5
I'll cheer for the team in red and white
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Post by rjaege on Dec 17, 2021 6:31:06 GMT -5
Elliott is 53, he could have 15-20 more years in the tank. Cook isn't young at 65 but also could have another 8-10 years left. At least for the next 4-5 years, his roster is insanely stacked. They're going to be loaded for the next 3-4 years and are landing top kids left and right. I doubt he leaves anytime in the next 5 years with the talent he has on board. You really believe Cook is going to still be coaching in his 70's, even his late 60's. Do you not understand the stress these coaches are under, and how many hours they put in. All of this is Ok when your young, but when a person gets into their mid-60's and beyond, it really starts to take a toll health wise. At any time now, I am expecting Russ Rose to announce his retirement. It's a lot less stressful when you keep getting #1 recruiting classes year after year. But Cook's future coaching plans have nothing to do with this championship game. Leaves one to wonder why you are so obsessed. But that's your problem to figure out. |
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Post by rjaege on Dec 17, 2021 7:20:15 GMT -5
I'm a Husker fan, but this is a tough one for NE IMO. Rettke has been a difference maker in previous NE - WI matches. Of late Smrek. Their height advantage coupled with their athleticism and volleyball skills being key to their success. They are both very hard to block. And WI has other very good hitters and front line players as well.
NE will attempt to offset this with tough serving and floor defense.
Both are very good serving and passing teams. NE needs an edge here, but that is tough vs WI.
NE has an edge with their floor defense, but not much IMO. WI is also a very good floor defense team. Floor defense was key to them prevailing over Loiusville and in their last match vs NE.
IMO NE has to play their best game of the season to win. WI just has to keep doing what they have been doing all season. You know like vs Purdue or vs Maryland.
GO BIG RED!
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 17, 2021 7:22:50 GMT -5
I swear if Wisconsin loses in the championship on Saturday after the seniors have won like 7 straight vs. the Huskers, I'm gonna lose it. I have already banned myself to watching matches at home by myself in the apartment after a loud double f bomb sentence in the 2019 final while out and my behavior watching the PSU match by myself on tv in the apartment this year. I lost it in both instances. Nothing racist or sexist, but not good behavior nevertheless. I do this, hilarious. |
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