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Post by justahick on May 12, 2022 20:53:07 GMT -5
Is it possible that all these complaints from former players aimed at Aird have actually saved his job for at least another season? If the university fires him now, a good attorney could make the case that the school's own investigation could not determine an offense worthy of termination, and could then sue IU for damaging his reputation and career. IU may be in the position of having to let him have another season or two to try to turn things around in the win column. Nope. If they were going to cut him loose it would have happened in Dec/Jan - season was dissappointing and the accustations were already out. Most of the recent noise is just jumping on the bandwagon. |
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Post by mikegarrison on May 12, 2022 21:17:27 GMT -5
Is it possible that all these complaints from former players aimed at Aird have actually saved his job for at least another season? If the university fires him now, a good attorney could make the case that the school's own investigation could not determine an offense worthy of termination, and could then sue IU for damaging his reputation and career. IU may be in the position of having to let him have another season or two to try to turn things around in the win column. Nope. If they were going to cut him loose it would have happened in Dec/Jan - season was dissappointing and the accustations were already out. Most of the recent noise is just jumping on the bandwagon. Some years back now the University of Washington fired their women's rowing coach after the season had already started for much the same reasons as what Aird is accused of. And then they won the national championship the next year. So you never know, I guess. |
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Post by justahick on May 12, 2022 21:28:52 GMT -5
Nope. If they were going to cut him loose it would have happened in Dec/Jan - season was dissappointing and the accustations were already out. Most of the recent noise is just jumping on the bandwagon. Some years back now the University of Washington fired their women's rowing coach after the season had already started for much the same reasons as what Aird is accused of. And then they won the national championship that year. So you never know, I guess. I don't think these accusations are remotely close to what those were. If I remember correctly, on top of the unsafe weight demands (which were IMO worse than these) there were also accusations of providing de facto pyschological counselling which went well beyond the scope of performance coaching and crossed into areas restricted to psychologists. Much of what happened in that case (if I have the right case in mind) influenced the opinions I shared in the mental health thread here a few weeks ago. In summary, we as coaches are not qualified to diagnose or treat players but, especially when the stress of being an athlete is a major component of their struggles, we are the only ones (outside of the athletes themselves) that can control the training environment. Here's an added thought - as a parent, I can enter into family conselling with the child, nobody has ever made me aware of player-coach counselling that might help make communication between coach an athlete safer for the athlete. |
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Post by mikegarrison on May 12, 2022 21:41:41 GMT -5
Some years back now the University of Washington fired their women's rowing coach after the season had already started for much the same reasons as what Aird is accused of. And then they won the national championship that the next year. So you never know, I guess. I don't think these accusations are remotely close to what those were. I don't have enough information to know either way. The coach that was fired (Bob Ernst) was a guy with multiple national championships for men and women, who had been coaching at the school for over 40 years, who had been the US Olympic Team coach, etc. And then it all just sort of fell apart. He blamed the team, said (essentially) "kids today are too soft", etc. But the school fired him anyway. IIRC, it also turned out that he had been listing every single woman who attended even a single tryout session as being a team member, and so the school's Title IX Compliance was messed up. |
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Post by robtearle on May 12, 2022 21:53:27 GMT -5
I tell my girls that IF they generally eat right, it's OK to have a FEW slices of pizza, or a candy bar or an ice cream cone, even if I'm watching. They won't get fat or forget how to play volleyball. I'll burn it off you in practice or in games. Yesterday after their win in the first round of the Big Ten softball tournament, the Wisconsin head coach took the whole team to the Michigan State campus dairy store for ice cream. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 12, 2022 23:23:00 GMT -5
Is it possible that all these complaints from former players aimed at Aird have actually saved his job for at least another season? If the university fires him now, a good attorney could make the case that the school's own investigation could not determine an offense worthy of termination, and could then sue IU for damaging his reputation and career. IU may be in the position of having to let him have another season or two to try to turn things around in the win column. Nope. If they were going to cut him loose it would have happened in Dec/Jan - season was disappointing and the accusations were already out. Most of the recent noise is just jumping on the bandwagon. You know, the more I think about this, the more I agree that they won't make a change right now unless the allegations get a lot worse. It's just so late in the game at this point, as the season is less than four months away. If they fire him now, it will be difficult to make a good hire for his replacement, so it may make sense just to wait for the next offseason. They'll probably give him one more season and then pull the plug. |
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Post by vb on May 13, 2022 9:33:00 GMT -5
We all know about the Wonderlic test for NFL players. How about a new test (perhaps Airderlic) test for recruitable volleyball players? It can measure mental toughness. After all, if you’re mentally tough enough to play for Steve Aird — you’re tough enough for anything that life may throw at you.
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Post by moderndaycoach on May 13, 2022 10:14:17 GMT -5
Getting tired of hearing about these thin skinned, entitled, mommy’s girl …can’t take some serious coaching - to be the best player that they can be. This whole post is nothing more than trivial “piling-on “now. You wanna get serious? How about the dude in Chicago that runs that very successful volleyball club. You know the one, the one that cant keep his hands off of little girls. Sweet potato versus minors. First off, the two instances are only similar in the fact that they clearly both play(ed) extreme mental games with younger girls/woman. Second, rb has been outcast for the last 5 years or so because of it getting so much media attention, so kind of a weird move to use that situation as a lame attempt to distract from the fact Aird just might be a sh*tty leader when the volleyball world is very aware of what rb did to the point those threads blow up for weeks when new ones are started. We have not heard any new instances of rb sexually assaulting anyone since the initial accusations, where as Aird seems to have a pattern of behavior that is likely contributing to his lack of success. Situations like the rb catastrophe are the reason that Aird is being aird out publicly to help stop this type of behavior from our existing coaches and teach our new coaches to be better. |
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Post by moody on May 13, 2022 10:51:19 GMT -5
We all know about the Wonderlic test for NFL players. How about a new test (perhaps Airderlic) test for recruitable volleyball players? It can measure mental toughness. After all, if you’re mentally tough enough to play for Steve Aird — you’re tough enough for anything that life may throw at you. How about we make sure d!cks like Aird are no where around students nor athletes? |
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Post by volleynerdmw on May 13, 2022 11:27:28 GMT -5
I am seeing lots of arguments about "kids these days" vs Steve is crazy. Obviously, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Steve Aird's reputation has been an open secret for years. It doesn't excuse abusive behavior and SA's should expect to have a coach who is not using terrible tactics discussed in the article. I am happy the article is shining a light on this issue. There seems to be more and more stories of coaches coming in and trying to show everyone how smart and great they are. Running off old players, short leases on new players, then when all else fails go to the portal for quick fixes. Aird was failing at IU now this article should signal the beginning of the end. Coaches are gonna have to find a way to win with the kids that are playing today not the players they were when they played. Right or Wrong kids don't want to hear "when I played my coach made me... (insert run till we puked story here) and that made me a better player". Aird has a bad record and doesn't have any recruits and is being accused of some really bad behavior. Goodbye
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Post by mikegarrison on May 13, 2022 11:46:44 GMT -5
Coaches are gonna have to find a way to win with the kids that are playing today not the players they were when they played. I think you mean, "the players they remember/imagine they were when they played". |
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Post by moody on May 13, 2022 11:55:28 GMT -5
I am seeing lots of arguments about "kids these days" vs Steve is crazy. Obviously, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Steve Aird's reputation has been an open secret for years. It doesn't excuse abusive behavior and SA's should expect to have a coach who is not using terrible tactics discussed in the article. I am happy the article is shining a light on this issue. There seems to be more and more stories of coaches coming in and trying to show everyone how smart and great they are. Running off old players, short leases on new players, then when all else fails go to the portal for quick fixes. Aird was failing at IU now this article should signal the beginning of the end. Coaches are gonna have to find a way to win with the kids that are playing today not the players they were when they played. Right or Wrong kids don't want to hear "when I played my coach made me... (insert run till we puked story here) and that made me a better player". Aird has a bad record and doesn't have any recruits and is being accused of some really bad behavior. Goodbye The truth does not lie in the middle. The truth is Steve Aird is a spoiled d!ck and needs to find other work. The truth is that "kids these days" have taken this game to such a level that "kids of the past" could not compete. Athletes deserve to be treated with respect. |
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Post by Volleyz4dayz on May 13, 2022 11:58:51 GMT -5
Posting with permission from my daughter who is part of this nightmare known as IU VB - providing some info while trying to respect her wishes. There are so many things I would like to say on here but the power this man has over my daughter is troubling to me, but this is her journey, and I will respect her wishes. I will tell you it's questionable when student athletes, including my daughter, are told if they come forward and talk to lawyers everything will be kept confidential - and said "nutritionist" states "several" players that came forward had been suspended and did so in "retaliation" - it was 1 student athlete, and the nutritionist bringing that up as a past staff member and that she knows who spoke up, the student athletes that did speak up and what they said were not kept confidential. Another thing that was "infuriating" to my daughter and she states was a "flat out lie" is that fact that weight was brought up weekly in practice, if not daily and there were no nutritionists present. Constant coaching by threats and fear had players crying before entering they gym. Practice tape was in fact deleted from the day some players were punished in the "pit" drill until they puked. One player’s mistakes are kept track on a white board and at the end of practice she would have to push sleds on the sideline for said mistakes while the team watched. One would think maybe a coach would take that extra time to get the player extra touches to get better?? SA did enter practice and tell the team Penn State "wanted" him, but he was going nowhere. I could go on, and on, and on but won't. Illegal - no. Wrong - yes. Lies - yes. Telling captains to rate their teammates and that their input will be kept confidential - but when a parent asks for a meeting and telling the parent that the captains rated his daughter low, selling your captains out to save your own hide - lying about it because the captains didn't rate ANY teammates that low. I wouldn't send any student athlete to play for him. You can get a better experience at a different program. It's sad when there are so many more qualified coaches and human beings out there that get paid fractions of what he is paid.
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Post by tomclen on May 13, 2022 12:34:13 GMT -5
Paragraphs would be helpful.
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Post by bbg95 on May 13, 2022 13:39:07 GMT -5
I think Indiana will regret not firing Aird shortly after the season when they had the chance. No way this situation gets better until he's gone.
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