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Post by willtravel2cwvb on May 13, 2022 15:03:23 GMT -5
Team, as noted in a February media release, is supposed to embark on a foreign tour (Eastern Europe and Italy) May 23. That still happening?
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Post by tomclen on May 14, 2022 5:03:28 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2022 7:31:29 GMT -5
Aird will get fired--and then he will get rehired because athletic directors will look at his Big 10 head coaching experience and take that above everything else, so in a while, he'll wind up coaching D2 or juco or become a full-time club coach. Because he won't be D1, he'll fall off the radar of most people and it'll just be a different set of kids getting emotionally abused.
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 14, 2022 9:07:22 GMT -5
Team, as noted in a February media release, is supposed to embark on a foreign tour (Eastern Europe and Italy) May 23. That still happening? They just posted a video of them training and preparing for Their trip on their Twitter account. |
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Post by knowitall on May 14, 2022 10:49:31 GMT -5
Posting with permission from my daughter who is part of this nightmare known as IU VB - providing some info while trying to respect her wishes. There are so many things I would like to say on here but the power this man has over my daughter is troubling to me, but this is her journey, and I will respect her wishes. I will tell you it's questionable when student athletes, including my daughter, are told if they come forward and talk to lawyers everything will be kept confidential - and said "nutritionist" states "several" players that came forward had been suspended and did so in "retaliation" - it was 1 student athlete, and the nutritionist bringing that up as a past staff member and that she knows who spoke up, the student athletes that did speak up and what they said were not kept confidential. Another thing that was "infuriating" to my daughter and she states was a "flat out lie" is that fact that weight was brought up weekly in practice, if not daily and there were no nutritionists present. Constant coaching by threats and fear had players crying before entering they gym. Practice tape was in fact deleted from the day some players were punished in the "pit" drill until they puked. One player’s mistakes are kept track on a white board and at the end of practice she would have to push sleds on the sideline for said mistakes while the team watched. One would think maybe a coach would take that extra time to get the player extra touches to get better?? SA did enter practice and tell the team Penn State "wanted" him, but he was going nowhere. I could go on, and on, and on but won't. Illegal - no. Wrong - yes. Lies - yes. Telling captains to rate their teammates and that their input will be kept confidential - but when a parent asks for a meeting and telling the parent that the captains rated his daughter low, selling your captains out to save your own hide - lying about it because the captains didn't rate ANY teammates that low. I wouldn't send any student athlete to play for him. You can get a better experience at a different program. It's sad when there are so many more qualified coaches and human beings out there that get paid fractions of what he is paid. I don't now Steve well, and I am not defending him at all. But if things are the way you say, why do you let your daughter continue to go through it? You describe it as basically an abusive relationship. why not get her out of there? Again, please don't take this as me defending Steve or belittling your claims, but why do you let it continue as a parent. I am asking, not judging. Well, maybe a little judgement. |
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Post by n00b on May 14, 2022 10:59:10 GMT -5
Posting with permission from my daughter who is part of this nightmare known as IU VB - providing some info while trying to respect her wishes. There are so many things I would like to say on here but the power this man has over my daughter is troubling to me, but this is her journey, and I will respect her wishes. I will tell you it's questionable when student athletes, including my daughter, are told if they come forward and talk to lawyers everything will be kept confidential - and said "nutritionist" states "several" players that came forward had been suspended and did so in "retaliation" - it was 1 student athlete, and the nutritionist bringing that up as a past staff member and that she knows who spoke up, the student athletes that did speak up and what they said were not kept confidential. Another thing that was "infuriating" to my daughter and she states was a "flat out lie" is that fact that weight was brought up weekly in practice, if not daily and there were no nutritionists present. Constant coaching by threats and fear had players crying before entering they gym. Practice tape was in fact deleted from the day some players were punished in the "pit" drill until they puked. One player’s mistakes are kept track on a white board and at the end of practice she would have to push sleds on the sideline for said mistakes while the team watched. One would think maybe a coach would take that extra time to get the player extra touches to get better?? SA did enter practice and tell the team Penn State "wanted" him, but he was going nowhere. I could go on, and on, and on but won't. Illegal - no. Wrong - yes. Lies - yes. Telling captains to rate their teammates and that their input will be kept confidential - but when a parent asks for a meeting and telling the parent that the captains rated his daughter low, selling your captains out to save your own hide - lying about it because the captains didn't rate ANY teammates that low. I wouldn't send any student athlete to play for him. You can get a better experience at a different program. It's sad when there are so many more qualified coaches and human beings out there that get paid fractions of what he is paid. I don't now Steve well, and I am not defending him at all. But if things are the way you say, why do you let your daughter continue to go through it? You describe it as basically an abusive relationship. why not get her out of there? Again, please don't take this as me defending Steve or belittling your claims, but why do you let it continue as a parent. I am asking, not judging. Well, maybe a little judgement. For starters, their daughter is an adult. So it isn’t up to them to “let” her continue to go through it. Second, college is likely where all of her best friends are. Maybe where her boyfriend is. She could very well love the school and Bloomington. There are a great many reasons why somebody would want to stay and try to make IU better instead of leaving. |
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Post by knowitall on May 14, 2022 11:12:37 GMT -5
I don't now Steve well, and I am not defending him at all. But if things are the way you say, why do you let your daughter continue to go through it? You describe it as basically an abusive relationship. why not get her out of there? Again, please don't take this as me defending Steve or belittling your claims, but why do you let it continue as a parent. I am asking, not judging. Well, maybe a little judgement. For starters, their daughter is an adult. So it isn’t up to them to “let” her continue to go through it. Second, college is likely where all of her best friends are. Maybe where her boyfriend is. She could very well love the school and Bloomington. There are a great many reasons why somebody would want to stay and try to make IU better instead of leaving. n00b, your statements may very well be true, and that is what I am trying to ask, if it is as awful as the some posts have said, what is it that makes it worth it for people to stay. While your suppositions may be correct, I was wanting to hear from tgk7. I am curious to know why his/her daughter stays when she hates it. |
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Post by vb on May 14, 2022 11:48:36 GMT -5
Let me toss in another thought. For some, they had old-school coaches at club or high school – so they’re “kind of” used to the environment. Remember, this whole SA thingee is exposing the difference between old school coaches and new school coaches. I would imagine, there’s a lot of coaching adaptation going on right now because of this topic. At least I would hope so
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Post by n00b on May 14, 2022 11:55:52 GMT -5
Let me toss in another thought. For some, they had old-school coaches at club or high school – so they’re “kind of” used to the environment. Remember, this whole SA thingee is exposing the difference between old school coaches and new school coaches. I would imagine, there’s a lot of coaching adaptation going on right now because of this topic. At least I would hope so Well two IU volleyball alumni who were quoted in the article graduated in the 80s and they were “shocked” by the way he treated his athletes in practice. So maybe it’s more than just an “old school” mentality. |
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Post by mma40027002 on May 15, 2022 8:06:05 GMT -5
Let me toss in another thought. For some, they had old-school coaches at club or high school – so they’re “kind of” used to the environment. Remember, this whole SA thingee is exposing the difference between old school coaches and new school coaches. I would imagine, there’s a lot of coaching adaptation going on right now because of this topic. At least I would hope so Well two IU volleyball alumni who were quoted in the article graduated in the 80s and they were “shocked” by the way he treated his athletes in practice. So maybe it’s more than just an “old school” mentality. Exactly! And if he treats players like garbage when there are alumni walking through the gym, I only imagine it is even worse when they are in a less public setting. I think there are coaches like this everywhere, including in the club scene. It is pretty sick. Yes, kids can be soft, but student-athletes can usually tell the difference between a tough coach who is trying to make them better and an egotistical coach on such a power trip that he/she is controlling and abusive. SA seems to be the latter.. It is pretty easy to power through a season where you run a lot, have consequences for poor effort, etc., however, much of what SA does should not be tolerated and would/should be a deal-breaker in most cases. |
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Post by greenpier on May 15, 2022 16:07:09 GMT -5
This will be the last D-1 head coaching job Aird will ever have
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2022 16:18:40 GMT -5
This will be the last D-1 head coaching job Aird will ever have Only because he hasn't won anything. If he had a couple conference titles or a Final Four appearance, he'd be safe. |
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Post by walrust on May 15, 2022 16:33:16 GMT -5
This will be the last D-1 head coaching job Aird will ever have Only because he hasn't won anything. If he had a couple conference titles or a Final Four appearance, he'd be safe. I hate how true this is. I hate that titles and tournament success somehow excuses treating athletes like dirt or [insert awful behavior here]. |
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Post by beavis on May 16, 2022 0:13:20 GMT -5
We've been season ticket holders for years. Were really excited to watch games in the nice, new facility, and glad to see Dunbar-Kruzan gone, because it really appeared that she was simply going through the motions her last few years, with not much interest in actually getting the team any better, and we got really sick of her missing out on great Indiana kids for what seemed like silly reasons (Kendall White, for one). We've heard about Aird, and it seems like he was able to turn Maryland around a bit, but why did he leave in a relative hurry? Surely the same, or a bigger, salary goes a bit further in Indiana than it does in Pennsylvania. so seems understandable from that vantage point, but the whole thing still seems a bit odd? Oh well, we'll support him and see what happens!
In my view, the true mark of his failure, and why many of the criticisms levied against him are likely true, is borne out by one simple fact: IU Volleyball sucks. It was bad enough watching the constant out of system play during Dunbar's last few years (consistently weak passing, the bane of any teams' existence), but why has it continued? Why did two of their best sparkplugs, Bayli Lebo and Camryn Malloy, not come back for their senior years? Why did stud Tommi Stockham bolt, and Randy "Big Train" Johnson's daughter quit?
Its all on the coach. 16-15 overall and 7-13 conference in his first year with Dunbar's players. Maybe this guy is the real deal, eh? Oh wait. 14-19 and 3-17 the next year. Sophomore blues, perhaps? His own players have not really gotten the chance to show what they can do? Understandable, I guess. 5-15 in conference during Covid - just an aberration - everything in the world is topsy-turvy.
10-22 and 4-16 last year. Wait a minute. Now they are not even feeding on the usual pre-season record propper-uppers? And the passing and out-of-system play looks worse than ever? We know that the Big Ten is a killer conference. We know that the transfer portal has really hurt the lower and mid-tier schools alot, and the rich just seem to keep getting richer. But it is time to pull the plug. Please don't wait wayyyyy too long like you did with Dunbar. You built a great new facility, and there have got to be some more Don Shondell/Munciana or John Cook discoples out there. But that is IU's biggest problem. They seem to find it impossible to lure the next Kelly Sheffield to IU.
Here she is: Ball State Coach Kelli Miller-Phillips. Why not give her a shot - it can't turn out any worse than the Steve Aird experiment has.
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Post by mikegarrison on May 16, 2022 3:50:35 GMT -5
Randy "Big Train" Johnson I think you have mixed up two Hall Of Fame pitchers: Walter "Big Train" Johnson and Randy "Big Unit" Johnson. |
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