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Post by c4ndlelight on May 17, 2022 1:16:16 GMT -5
Yeah, this sentence in that article is a bit odd: "Aird made it clear there was no tension between himself and the players and expressed his wishes of future success for both." Like, it's not all that uncommon for a player to decide to stop playing a sport while in college without transferring somewhere else. But usually, I don't see articles in which the coach feels the need to say that there was no tension between themselves and the player. Most people generally wouldn't think there was without additional context. But if you're going out of your way to unsolicitedly say there is no tension, that makes me think there might be tension. Him calling out that they "loved the staff" was weirder. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 17, 2022 1:58:58 GMT -5
Yeah, this sentence in that article is a bit odd: "Aird made it clear there was no tension between himself and the players and expressed his wishes of future success for both." Like, it's not all that uncommon for a player to decide to stop playing a sport while in college without transferring somewhere else. But usually, I don't see articles in which the coach feels the need to say that there was no tension between themselves and the player. Most people generally wouldn't think there was without additional context. But if you're going out of your way to unsolicitedly say there is no tension, that makes me think there might be tension. Him calling out that they "loved the staff" was weirder. If you say so. I think stressing the lack of tension is by far the weirdest thing he said in that article (actually, this wasn't even a direct quote--the author of the article was paraphrasing whatever Aird had to say about the purported lack of tension). Coaches just don't talk like that without a reason. |
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Post by mikegarrison on May 17, 2022 3:16:00 GMT -5
Like, it's not all that uncommon for a player to decide to stop playing a sport while in college without transferring somewhere else. But usually, I don't see articles in which the coach feels the need to say that there was no tension between themselves and the player. Most people generally wouldn't think there was without additional context. But if you're going out of your way to unsolicitedly say there is no tension, that makes me think there might be tension. On a recent flight, one of the cockpit windows cracked. The flight diverted and landed safely. But this happened: |
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Post by rainbowbadger on May 17, 2022 5:36:15 GMT -5
Like, it's not all that uncommon for a player to decide to stop playing a sport while in college without transferring somewhere else. But usually, I don't see articles in which the coach feels the need to say that there was no tension between themselves and the player. Most people generally wouldn't think there was without additional context. But if you're going out of your way to unsolicitedly say there is no tension, that makes me think there might be tension. On a recent flight, one of the cockpit windows cracked. The flight diverted and landed safely. But this happened: Like this? youtube.com/clip/Ugkxc7ff4WcvIZyqdkzlX9JjbdTwprfocJBj |
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on May 17, 2022 11:06:28 GMT -5
Yeah, this sentence in that article is a bit odd: "Aird made it clear there was no tension between himself and the players and expressed his wishes of future success for both." Like, it's not all that uncommon for a player to decide to stop playing a sport while in college without transferring somewhere else. But usually, I don't see articles in which the coach feels the need to say that there was no tension between themselves and the player. Most people generally wouldn't think there was without additional context. But if you're going out of your way to unsolicitedly say there is no tension, that makes me think there might be tension. Reporter might have asked if there was any tension that led to her leaving. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 17, 2022 11:26:26 GMT -5
Yeah, this sentence in that article is a bit odd: "Aird made it clear there was no tension between himself and the players and expressed his wishes of future success for both." Like, it's not all that uncommon for a player to decide to stop playing a sport while in college without transferring somewhere else. But usually, I don't see articles in which the coach feels the need to say that there was no tension between themselves and the player. Most people generally wouldn't think there was without additional context. But if you're going out of your way to unsolicitedly say there is no tension, that makes me think there might be tension. Reporter might have asked if there was any tension that led to her leaving. It's possible, but usually in that situation, the reporter would indicate that by saying, "When asked..." or something along those lines. Putting myself in the reporter's shoes, unless I had heard otherwise, I would probably just simply ask the coach why the player left. |
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Post by coachdirector13 on May 17, 2022 15:28:52 GMT -5
We've been season ticket holders for years. Were really excited to watch games in the nice, new facility, and glad to see Dunbar-Kruzan gone, because it really appeared that she was simply going through the motions her last few years, with not much interest in actually getting the team any better, and we got really sick of her missing out on great Indiana kids for what seemed like silly reasons (Kendall White, for one). We've heard about Aird, and it seems like he was able to turn Maryland around a bit, but why did he leave in a relative hurry? Surely the same, or a bigger, salary goes a bit further in Indiana than it does in Pennsylvania. so seems understandable from that vantage point, but the whole thing still seems a bit odd? Oh well, we'll support him and see what happens! In my view, the true mark of his failure, and why many of the criticisms levied against him are likely true, is borne out by one simple fact: IU Volleyball sucks. It was bad enough watching the constant out of system play during Dunbar's last few years (consistently weak passing, the bane of any teams' existence), but why has it continued? Why did two of their best sparkplugs, Bayli Lebo and Camryn Malloy, not come back for their senior years? Why did stud Tommi Stockham bolt, and Randy "Big Train" Johnson's daughter quit? Its all on the coach. 16-15 overall and 7-13 conference in his first year with Dunbar's players. Maybe this guy is the real deal, eh? Oh wait. 14-19 and 3-17 the next year. Sophomore blues, perhaps? His own players have not really gotten the chance to show what they can do? Understandable, I guess. 5-15 in conference during Covid - just an aberration - everything in the world is topsy-turvy. 10-22 and 4-16 last year. Wait a minute. Now they are not even feeding on the usual pre-season record propper-uppers? And the passing and out-of-system play looks worse than ever? We know that the Big Ten is a killer conference. We know that the transfer portal has really hurt the lower and mid-tier schools alot, and the rich just seem to keep getting richer. But it is time to pull the plug. Please don't wait wayyyyy too long like you did with Dunbar. You built a great new facility, and there have got to be some more Don Shondell/Munciana or John Cook discoples out there. But that is IU's biggest problem. They seem to find it impossible to lure the next Kelly Sheffield to IU. Here she is: Ball State Coach Kelli Miller-Phillips. Why not give her a shot - it can't turn out any worse than the Steve Aird experiment has. Kelli has spent plenty of time in Indiana and knows the hot mess IU probably is. With the resume she is starting to build at Ball State she is probably very happy with her job. If I were a betting man she would stay in Muncie where she grew up for a few more years before ever going to IU. Not to mention (and I am saying off of pure speculation with zero information to this comment) but I am sure Shondell at Purdue does not have many years left in his tank. I am sure he is getting close to wanting to retire in the next 5 years or so. So I would assume Kelli will want to wait out being a top contender in the MAC, building her resume, then taking her talents over to Purdue before considering going to the bottom of the BIG. |
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Post by n00b on May 17, 2022 15:37:03 GMT -5
We've been season ticket holders for years. Were really excited to watch games in the nice, new facility, and glad to see Dunbar-Kruzan gone, because it really appeared that she was simply going through the motions her last few years, with not much interest in actually getting the team any better, and we got really sick of her missing out on great Indiana kids for what seemed like silly reasons (Kendall White, for one). We've heard about Aird, and it seems like he was able to turn Maryland around a bit, but why did he leave in a relative hurry? Surely the same, or a bigger, salary goes a bit further in Indiana than it does in Pennsylvania. so seems understandable from that vantage point, but the whole thing still seems a bit odd? Oh well, we'll support him and see what happens! In my view, the true mark of his failure, and why many of the criticisms levied against him are likely true, is borne out by one simple fact: IU Volleyball sucks. It was bad enough watching the constant out of system play during Dunbar's last few years (consistently weak passing, the bane of any teams' existence), but why has it continued? Why did two of their best sparkplugs, Bayli Lebo and Camryn Malloy, not come back for their senior years? Why did stud Tommi Stockham bolt, and Randy "Big Train" Johnson's daughter quit? Its all on the coach. 16-15 overall and 7-13 conference in his first year with Dunbar's players. Maybe this guy is the real deal, eh? Oh wait. 14-19 and 3-17 the next year. Sophomore blues, perhaps? His own players have not really gotten the chance to show what they can do? Understandable, I guess. 5-15 in conference during Covid - just an aberration - everything in the world is topsy-turvy. 10-22 and 4-16 last year. Wait a minute. Now they are not even feeding on the usual pre-season record propper-uppers? And the passing and out-of-system play looks worse than ever? We know that the Big Ten is a killer conference. We know that the transfer portal has really hurt the lower and mid-tier schools alot, and the rich just seem to keep getting richer. But it is time to pull the plug. Please don't wait wayyyyy too long like you did with Dunbar. You built a great new facility, and there have got to be some more Don Shondell/Munciana or John Cook discoples out there. But that is IU's biggest problem. They seem to find it impossible to lure the next Kelly Sheffield to IU. Here she is: Ball State Coach Kelli Miller-Phillips. Why not give her a shot - it can't turn out any worse than the Steve Aird experiment has. Kelli has spent plenty of time in Indiana and knows the hot mess IU probably is. With the resume she is starting to build at Ball State she is probably very happy with her job. If I were a betting man she would stay in Muncie where she grew up for a few more years before ever going to IU. Not to mention (and I am saying off of pure speculation with zero information to this comment) but I am sure Shondell at Purdue does not have many years left in his tank. I am sure he is getting close to wanting to retire in the next 5 years or so. So I would assume Kelli will want to wait out being a top contender in the MAC, building her resume, then taking her talents over to Purdue before considering going to the bottom of the BIG. She’d be turning down doubling her salary (at least). With no guarantee of landing the Purdue job. Not saying she wants the added pressure of the Big Ten. Plenty of coaches don’t. But holding out for Purdue would be a ballsy move. |
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on May 17, 2022 15:46:52 GMT -5
Kelli has spent plenty of time in Indiana and knows the hot mess IU probably is. With the resume she is starting to build at Ball State she is probably very happy with her job. If I were a betting man she would stay in Muncie where she grew up for a few more years before ever going to IU. Not to mention (and I am saying off of pure speculation with zero information to this comment) but I am sure Shondell at Purdue does not have many years left in his tank. I am sure he is getting close to wanting to retire in the next 5 years or so. So I would assume Kelli will want to wait out being a top contender in the MAC, building her resume, then taking her talents over to Purdue before considering going to the bottom of the BIG. She’d be turning down doubling her salary (at least). With no guarantee of landing the Purdue job. Not saying she wants the added pressure of the Big Ten. Plenty of coaches don’t. But holding out for Purdue would be a ballsy move. Not when you're perfectly happy where you are. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 17, 2022 15:49:54 GMT -5
Kelli has spent plenty of time in Indiana and knows the hot mess IU probably is. With the resume she is starting to build at Ball State she is probably very happy with her job. If I were a betting man she would stay in Muncie where she grew up for a few more years before ever going to IU. Not to mention (and I am saying off of pure speculation with zero information to this comment) but I am sure Shondell at Purdue does not have many years left in his tank. I am sure he is getting close to wanting to retire in the next 5 years or so. So I would assume Kelli will want to wait out being a top contender in the MAC, building her resume, then taking her talents over to Purdue before considering going to the bottom of the BIG. She’d be turning down doubling her salary (at least). With no guarantee of landing the Purdue job. Not saying she wants the added pressure of the Big Ten. Plenty of coaches don’t. But holding out for Purdue would be a ballsy move. No guarantee, but she'd probably at least be in contention if she continues to have success at Ball State. She's a Purdue alum, so that also helps. At this point, there's no reason to think that she won't continue to be successful at Ball State in the near future, and when Shondell retires, she can try to get the Purdue job. Even if she doesn't get it, she's still be in a good situation and would be well positioned to take a different P5 job if she wanted to. The Indiana job would pay more, but I don't think that job comes without significant risk, and I'm not sure the extra money is worth it. But it's obviously her call. |
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Post by mikegarrison on May 17, 2022 15:50:51 GMT -5
So we've reached the point of already arguing about who his replacement should be?
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 16:09:28 GMT -5
So many things have to align perfectly for someone to get a HC job in the Big 10. If that window opened you better jump.
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Post by bbg95 on May 17, 2022 16:19:58 GMT -5
So many things have to align perfectly for someone to get a HC job in the Big 10. If that window opened you better jump. No. Not every job in the Big Ten is actually a good job. In fact, I think the case could be made that Indiana is the fourth-best job in the state. The best job is probably Purdue, as they have the most recent and historic success and play in the Big Ten. Next up is Notre Dame, which also has had a fair amount of success historically, plays in the up-and-coming ACC and has a national brand (across all sports) that few other schools have. There's a reason why they were the school that convinced Salima to take a head coaching job, whereas I doubt she would have even returned a call from Indiana. But even looking at Ball State, they have twice as many tournament appearances as Indiana (10 vs 5), and they're actually good right now, while Indiana is a complete mess. |
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Post by n00b on May 17, 2022 18:08:38 GMT -5
So many things have to align perfectly for someone to get a HC job in the Big 10. If that window opened you better jump. No. Not every job in the Big Ten is actually a good job. In fact, I think the case could be made that Indiana is the fourth-best job in the state. The best job is probably Purdue, as they have the most recent and historic success and play in the Big Ten. Next up is Notre Dame, which also has had a fair amount of success historically, plays in the up-and-coming ACC and has a national brand (across all sports) that few other schools have. There's a reason why they were the school that convinced Salima to take a head coaching job, whereas I doubt she would have even returned a call from Indiana. But even looking at Ball State, they have twice as many tournament appearances as Indiana (10 vs 5), and they're actually good right now, while Indiana is a complete mess. Sure. If more than doubling your salary doesn’t matter to you. Or chartering flights for every road trip. Or not worrying your recruiting budget so you can book the most convenient flights and hotels instead of being limited by price. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 17, 2022 18:13:30 GMT -5
No. Not every job in the Big Ten is actually a good job. In fact, I think the case could be made that Indiana is the fourth-best job in the state. The best job is probably Purdue, as they have the most recent and historic success and play in the Big Ten. Next up is Notre Dame, which also has had a fair amount of success historically, plays in the up-and-coming ACC and has a national brand (across all sports) that few other schools have. There's a reason why they were the school that convinced Salima to take a head coaching job, whereas I doubt she would have even returned a call from Indiana. But even looking at Ball State, they have twice as many tournament appearances as Indiana (10 vs 5), and they're actually good right now, while Indiana is a complete mess. Sure. If more than doubling your salary doesn’t matter to you. Or chartering flights for every road trip. Or not worrying your recruiting budget so you can book the most convenient flights and hotels instead of being limited by price. Who says those things don't matter? They obviously do, but they aren't the only things that matter either. Your argument is extremely weak. If it was just as simple as taking the highest-paying job with the most resources, coaches would never stay at smaller schools. But they do all the time. Can you really not see the downsides of a job like Indiana and why it might make sense for a coach to wait for a better job like Purdue to come along? |
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