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Steve Aird
May 17, 2022 18:26:05 GMT -5
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Post by n00b on May 17, 2022 18:26:05 GMT -5
Sure. If more than doubling your salary doesn’t matter to you. Or chartering flights for every road trip. Or not worrying your recruiting budget so you can book the most convenient flights and hotels instead of being limited by price. Who says those things don't matter? They obviously do, but they aren't the only things that matter either. Your argument is extremely weak. If it was just as simple as taking the highest-paying job with the most resources, coaches would never stay at smaller schools. But they do all the time. Can you really not see the downsides of a job like Indiana and why it might make sense for a coach to wait for a better job like Purdue to come along? They really don’t turn down more than doubling their salary in the same region “all the time”. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 17, 2022 18:34:25 GMT -5
Who says those things don't matter? They obviously do, but they aren't the only things that matter either. Your argument is extremely weak. If it was just as simple as taking the highest-paying job with the most resources, coaches would never stay at smaller schools. But they do all the time. Can you really not see the downsides of a job like Indiana and why it might make sense for a coach to wait for a better job like Purdue to come along? They really don’t turn down more than doubling their salary in the same region “all the time”. Indiana is not a good job, even if it means doubling your salary. If the only argument you have is about money, I won't waste any more of time responding. |
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Post by robtearle on May 17, 2022 18:35:46 GMT -5
Sure. If more than doubling your salary doesn’t matter to you. Or chartering flights for every road trip. Or not worrying your recruiting budget so you can book the most convenient flights and hotels instead of being limited by price. Who says those things don't matter? They obviously do, but they aren't the only things that matter either. Your argument is extremely weak. If it was just as simple as taking the highest-paying job with the most resources, coaches would never stay at smaller schools. But they do all the time. Can you really not see the downsides of a job like Indiana and why it might make sense for a coach to wait for a better job like Purdue to come along? I'm thinking of the tag line from the ads they used to run on BTN: Big life, Big stage, Big Ten You can sell better recruits on that, even if Indiana itself is a tough sell right now. Many coaches would want the challenge of the "big stage"; if you succeed, if moderately, your reputation is made, and you can go 'back' to a smaller school on your own terms. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 17, 2022 18:37:11 GMT -5
Who says those things don't matter? They obviously do, but they aren't the only things that matter either. Your argument is extremely weak. If it was just as simple as taking the highest-paying job with the most resources, coaches would never stay at smaller schools. But they do all the time. Can you really not see the downsides of a job like Indiana and why it might make sense for a coach to wait for a better job like Purdue to come along? I'm thinking of the tag line from the ads they used to run on BTN: Big life, Big stage, Big Ten You can sell better recruits on that, even if Indiana itself is a tough sell right now. Many coaches would want the challenge of the "big stage"; if you succeed, if moderately, your reputation is made, and you can go 'back' to a smaller school on your own terms. Some coaches might want that challenge. Other coaches would want to stay away. It really just depends on the individual. |
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on May 17, 2022 18:38:20 GMT -5
Indiana has always been a prime spot for a good program. It has everything going for it. But not everyone wants to leave the security of their current job -- no matter how much money -- for a reclamation project.
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Post by robtearle on May 17, 2022 18:44:26 GMT -5
I'm thinking of the tag line from the ads they used to run on BTN: Big life, Big stage, Big Ten You can sell better recruits on that, even if Indiana itself is a tough sell right now. Many coaches would want the challenge of the "big stage"; if you succeed, if moderately, your reputation is made, and you can go 'back' to a smaller school on your own terms. Some coaches might want that challenge. Other coaches would want to stay away. It really just depends on the individual. Somewhere I heard an interview or podcast with Kelly Sheffield, he was talking about hiring assistant Gary White, who had just taken a job at some other school. And Gary was hesitating at bailing on the other school so quickly. And Sheffield gave him the 'big stage' pitch: this is the big time, opportunities like this don't come along very often, etc etc. Yeah some might not want the challenge of the big stage. But my guess is most do. Knowing what we think we know about Aird, I hope we find out soon. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 17, 2022 18:46:49 GMT -5
Some coaches might want that challenge. Other coaches would want to stay away. It really just depends on the individual. Somewhere I heard an interview or podcast with Kelly Sheffield, he was talking about hiring assistant Gary White, who had just taken a job at some other school. And Gary was hesitating at bailing on the other school so quickly. And Sheffield gave him the 'big stage' pitch: this is the big time, opportunities like this don't come along very often, etc etc. Yeah some might not want the challenge of the big stage. But my guess is most do. Knowing what we think we know about Aird, I hope we find out soon. Sure, but again, some might want a big stage with more likelihood of success. Like at Purdue. There are lots of coaches in all sports who have comfortable situations that don't take the first or second or third P5 job that comes calling. They wait for what they think is the right opportunity. I don't think the White example is really comparable because we're talking about an assistant at one of the top programs in the country, not the head coach at Indiana. |
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Steve Aird
May 17, 2022 18:50:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2022 18:50:21 GMT -5
Who says those things don't matter? They obviously do, but they aren't the only things that matter either. Your argument is extremely weak. If it was just as simple as taking the highest-paying job with the most resources, coaches would never stay at smaller schools. But they do all the time. Can you really not see the downsides of a job like Indiana and why it might make sense for a coach to wait for a better job like Purdue to come along? I'm thinking of the tag line from the ads they used to run on BTN: Big life, Big stage, Big Ten You can sell better recruits on that, even if Indiana itself is a tough sell right now. Many coaches would want the challenge of the "big stage"; if you succeed, if moderately, your reputation is made, and you can go 'back' to a smaller school on your own terms. 1000% agree. Unless you have a spouse or family reason to stay at a smaller school, put on your big boy pants and show what you can do. Indiana, Iowa, Maryland have several other Women’s sports teams doing well. It can be done. But if your scared……. |
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Post by robtearle on May 17, 2022 19:00:16 GMT -5
Somewhere I heard an interview or podcast with Kelly Sheffield, he was talking about hiring assistant Gary White, who had just taken a job at some other school. And Gary was hesitating at bailing on the other school so quickly. And Sheffield gave him the 'big stage' pitch: this is the big time, opportunities like this don't come along very often, etc etc. Yeah some might not want the challenge of the big stage. But my guess is most do. Knowing what we think we know about Aird, I hope we find out soon. Sure, but again, some might want a big stage with more likelihood of success. Like at Purdue. There are lots of coaches in all sports who have comfortable situations that don't take the first or second or third P5 job that comes calling. They wait for what they think is the right opportunity. I don't think the White example is really comparable because we're talking about an assistant at one of the top programs in the country, not the head coach at Indiana. Why the sort-of presumption that the Purdue job is going to be a possibility in the near future? Isn't current assistant John Shondell significantly younger than Dave Shondell? And so the obvious candidate should Dave decide to retire? |
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Post by bbg95 on May 17, 2022 19:02:04 GMT -5
Sure, but again, some might want a big stage with more likelihood of success. Like at Purdue. There are lots of coaches in all sports who have comfortable situations that don't take the first or second or third P5 job that comes calling. They wait for what they think is the right opportunity. I don't think the White example is really comparable because we're talking about an assistant at one of the top programs in the country, not the head coach at Indiana. Why the sort-of presumption that the Purdue job is going to be a possibility in the near future? Isn't current assistant John Shondell significantly younger than Dave Shondell? And so the obvious candidate should Dave decide to retire? It's just one example. It doesn't have to be Purdue. That's just one of many jobs that are better than Indiana. It's just a job that it might make sense for Miller Phillips to wait on because she's an alum, and she would probably at least be in contention to get the job if her success at Ball State continues. |
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on May 17, 2022 19:35:55 GMT -5
It can be done. But if your scared……. Life is not always a Mountain Dew commercial, "broseph". |
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Post by n00b on May 17, 2022 19:59:56 GMT -5
They really don’t turn down more than doubling their salary in the same region “all the time”. Indiana is not a good job, even if it means doubling your salary. If the only argument you have is about money, I won't waste any more of time responding. I also generally disagree with this. The program is losing now because Aird is terrible, but they’re located in the middle of a volleyball hotbed. Nice campus. New facilities. I think the coaching salary is top half of the Big Ten. You can definitely win there IMO. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 17, 2022 20:04:46 GMT -5
Indiana is not a good job, even if it means doubling your salary. If the only argument you have is about money, I won't waste any more of time responding. I also generally disagree with this. The program is losing now because Aird is terrible, but they’re located in the middle of a volleyball hotbed. Nice campus. New facilities. I think the coaching salary is top half of the Big Ten. You can definitely win there IMO. There's a difference between having some potential to be a good job and actually being a good job. Indiana has five tournament appearances all time. Sure, if you get a great coach in there, they can probably win. But said great coach will probably have better options. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on May 17, 2022 20:32:39 GMT -5
I also generally disagree with this. The program is losing now because Aird is terrible, but they’re located in the middle of a volleyball hotbed. Nice campus. New facilities. I think the coaching salary is top half of the Big Ten. You can definitely win there IMO. There's a difference between having some potential to be a good job and actually being a good job. Indiana has five tournament appearances all time. Sure, if you get a great coach in there, they can probably win. But said great coach will probably have better options. I’d ask that you look at Purdue. Zero reason why IU job isn’t as good imo. I can assure there are no coaches in the Big who want to see Aird fired. Very good school, gorgeous campus, top shelf facility, great pay. This is potentially a terrific job. |
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Post by bbg95 on May 17, 2022 22:05:33 GMT -5
There's a difference between having some potential to be a good job and actually being a good job. Indiana has five tournament appearances all time. Sure, if you get a great coach in there, they can probably win. But said great coach will probably have better options. I’d ask that you look at Purdue. Zero reason why IU job isn’t as good imo. I can assure there are no coaches in the Big who want to see Aird fired. Very good school, gorgeous campus, top shelf facility, great pay. This is potentially a terrific job. Purdue is actually one of the reasons I'm not that optimistic about Indiana. There are a lot of good to great competitor programs in that area. Not only is Indiana the fourth-best program in its own state, there are lots of other great programs in neighboring or nearby states that compete for recruits. And Purdue is probably the best program that hasn't been to the Final Four. The idea that Indiana should be just as good as Purdue is laughable in my view. |
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