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Post by knapplc on Jun 2, 2022 11:38:24 GMT -5
I have not seen Aird in any of the international tour photos or content but have seen assistants… It looks like he's in a couple of the photos of the Maribor matches. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jun 2, 2022 11:46:58 GMT -5
I have not seen Aird in any of the international tour photos or content but have seen assistants… That may be a conscious decision in terms of them carefully editing content. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2022 14:07:24 GMT -5
I have not seen Aird in any of the international tour photos or content but have seen assistants… It looks like he's in a couple of the photos of the Maribor matches. On Instagram? I don’t see those? |
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Post by knapplc on Jun 2, 2022 14:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by laffindawg on Jun 3, 2022 18:49:26 GMT -5
I know I'm late to this discussion but it's a topic that has to interest anyone who is a coach or is thinking of coaching. Thanks for those who provided the links to the Tiktok and Slideshow of the tour. To be completely honest after all of the information that I have been exposed to my sympathies go to the players. I can, however, see how some might be hesitant to immediately slide over to the players' side of the story. What was mentioned is true, there is ALWAYS more than one side to a story but the lack of any substantial player support for Aird is very evident and condemns his methods of communication more than anything else. From what I've read he seems to have no understanding of his players' psycho-emotional state...not the word I want but I can't quite target the right one. One would think, with the experience he has gained from his years at PSU that something would have transferred...unless, of course, he was able to do the same at PSU with no consequences? I don't think it's likely, though. In any event, I will say this, after viewing the TikTok it did not leave a good impression of the player on me. She seemed very cavalier about the relating of the story--almost smug...but then again maybe she is justified to be able to feel that way and express it as such? This, of course, is just my opinion. The slide show pretty much was the piece that has me leaning away from Aird...his absence from the slideshow is painfully evident...except for that one slide where you can see the back of his head in the distance. Maybe he felt so offended or disgusted by his players' treatment towards him? If that's the case why go on tour with them. His absence throughout the slideshow (I haven't watched all of the YouTube video, though) speaks volumes, either of his lack of compassion for the players or the disdain that they hold for him. I guess that also depends on who edited the slideshow, but if I were the coach I would not be happy to be completely jettisoned from the scenery. All of this is, again, just my opinion based on my observations, so please don't crucify me.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Jun 4, 2022 8:55:08 GMT -5
I know I'm late to this discussion but it's a topic that has to interest anyone who is a coach or is thinking of coaching. Thanks for those who provided the links to the Tiktok and Slideshow of the tour. To be completely honest after all of the information that I have been exposed to my sympathies go to the players. I can, however, see how some might be hesitant to immediately slide over to the players' side of the story. What was mentioned is true, there is ALWAYS more than one side to a story but the lack of any substantial player support for Aird is very evident and condemns his methods of communication more than anything else. From what I've read he seems to have no understanding of his players' psycho-emotional state...not the word I want but I can't quite target the right one. One would think, with the experience he has gained from his years at PSU that something would have transferred...unless, of course, he was able to do the same at PSU with no consequences? I don't think it's likely, though. In any event, I will say this, after viewing the TikTok it did not leave a good impression of the player on me. She seemed very cavalier about the relating of the story--almost smug...but then again maybe she is justified to be able to feel that way and express it as such? This, of course, is just my opinion. The slide show pretty much was the piece that has me leaning away from Aird...his absence from the slideshow is painfully evident...except for that one slide where you can see the back of his head in the distance. Maybe he felt so offended or disgusted by his players' treatment towards him? If that's the case why go on tour with them. His absence throughout the slideshow (I haven't watched all of the YouTube video, though) speaks volumes, either of his lack of compassion for the players or the disdain that they hold for him. I guess that also depends on who edited the slideshow, but if I were the coach I would not be happy to be completely jettisoned from the scenery. All of this is, again, just my opinion based on my observations, so please don't crucify me. I’m sure Aird knows that his presence in photos isn’t helpful at this point. To bring the program back it’s gotta be about the players, for a PR standpoint. |
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Post by gibbyb1 on Jun 4, 2022 9:06:28 GMT -5
I know I'm late to this discussion but it's a topic that has to interest anyone who is a coach or is thinking of coaching. Thanks for those who provided the links to the Tiktok and Slideshow of the tour. To be completely honest after all of the information that I have been exposed to my sympathies go to the players. I can, however, see how some might be hesitant to immediately slide over to the players' side of the story. What was mentioned is true, there is ALWAYS more than one side to a story but the lack of any substantial player support for Aird is very evident and condemns his methods of communication more than anything else. From what I've read he seems to have no understanding of his players' psycho-emotional state...not the word I want but I can't quite target the right one. One would think, with the experience he has gained from his years at PSU that something would have transferred...unless, of course, he was able to do the same at PSU with no consequences? I don't think it's likely, though. In any event, I will say this, after viewing the TikTok it did not leave a good impression of the player on me. She seemed very cavalier about the relating of the story--almost smug...but then again maybe she is justified to be able to feel that way and express it as such? This, of course, is just my opinion. The slide show pretty much was the piece that has me leaning away from Aird...his absence from the slideshow is painfully evident...except for that one slide where you can see the back of his head in the distance. Maybe he felt so offended or disgusted by his players' treatment towards him? If that's the case why go on tour with them. His absence throughout the slideshow (I haven't watched all of the YouTube video, though) speaks volumes, either of his lack of compassion for the players or the disdain that they hold for him. I guess that also depends on who edited the slideshow, but if I were the coach I would not be happy to be completely jettisoned from the scenery. All of this is, again, just my opinion based on my observations, so please don't crucify me. I’m sure Aird knows that his presence in photos isn’t helpful at this point. To bring the program back it’s gotta be about the players, for a PR standpoint. I don’t think they can bring the program back with him there, regardless of what is true or not true. It’s impossible for me to believe the school or him could believe this is salvageable. There will never be the level of trust among PSA’s for that to happen. |
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Post by digs on Jun 4, 2022 10:06:34 GMT -5
I’m sure Aird knows that his presence in photos isn’t helpful at this point. To bring the program back it’s gotta be about the players, for a PR standpoint. I don’t think they can bring the program back with him there, regardless of what is true or not true. It’s impossible for me to believe the school or him could believe this is salvageable. There will never be the level of trust among PSA’s for that to happen. Yeah, I’m astonished he’s still there. Why would ANY decent recruit or transfer choose Indiana at this point? There is ZERO chance of that program competing in the top half of the B1G without regime change. |
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Post by Gladys Kravitz on Jun 4, 2022 10:17:17 GMT -5
I’m sure Aird knows that his presence in photos isn’t helpful at this point. To bring the program back it’s gotta be about the players, for a PR standpoint. I don’t think they can bring the program back with him there, regardless of what is true or not true. It’s impossible for me to believe the school or him could believe this is salvageable. There will never be the level of trust among PSA’s for that to happen. A all expenses paid European jaunt says otherwise |
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Post by robtearle on Jun 4, 2022 10:27:09 GMT -5
I don’t think they can bring the program back with him there, regardless of what is true or not true. It’s impossible for me to believe the school or him could believe this is salvageable. There will never be the level of trust among PSA’s for that to happen. A all expenses paid European jaunt says otherwise The NCAA allows for such trips no more than once every four years. So a PSA getting ready to commit, say, in two weeks would be signing up to *maybe* be able to go on such a trip in four years. Hard to imagine that would be a 'deciding factor'. |
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Post by jaylene on Jun 4, 2022 11:07:04 GMT -5
No girls left the program this year other than 3 graduating seniors and a girl who never saw the floor. It sounds pretty isolated. Remove the problem players and the problem self corrects.
Not saying they all had the “issues” but as others have said a lot of anonymous players have come forward.
Every coach is tough. This is the B1G. High expectations for both players and coaches.
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Post by robtearle on Jun 4, 2022 11:12:03 GMT -5
No girls left the program this year other than 3 graduating seniors and a girl who never saw the floor. It sounds pretty isolated. Remove the problem players and the problem self corrects. Not saying they all had the “issues” but as others have said a lot of anonymous players have come forward. Every coach is tough. This is the B1G. High expectations for both players and coaches. The player who posted the 'sweet potato' tiktok is not anonymous. Other players who have responded to her on tiktok are not anonymous. |
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Post by veloball on Jun 4, 2022 19:06:17 GMT -5
No girls left the program this year other than 3 graduating seniors and a girl who never saw the floor. It sounds pretty isolated. Remove the problem players and the problem self corrects. Not saying they all had the “issues” but as others have said a lot of anonymous players have come forward. Every coach is tough. This is the B1G. High expectations for both players and coaches. But Indiana did lose two commits who would've started this year, including one who decommitted last fall after signing already (she switched to Penn State). I see no other commits. At least that's what I was able to find.
I have some interest in this issue, and I actually counted 13 players who left after playing for Steve Aird at Indiana. At least half appear to have quit playing volleyball completely (if Google can be trusted).
2018 – Two players quit volleyball after playing as freshman for him in 2018 (https://www.idsnews.com/article/2019/03/lexi-johnson-abigail-westenhofer-leaving-program). A junior also quit, possibly due to injury.
2019 – Four players left after 2019 season (3 played for three years; 1 transferred in and played in 2019).
2020 – Five players left after 2020 season (four were freshmen and one had played two years).
2021 – One player appears to have left after 2021 (potato fries player)
Maryland, on the other hand, lost only 4 or 5 players during that time. Coach Adam Hughes is well liked by the players, who supported him when Maryland was deciding on Aird's replacement (according to media). Some players were disappointed Aird left of course. For what it's worth, I have a lot of respect for Katie Myers, one of the players cited in the article. Full disclosure: I'm a Maryland booster. We were so excited when Aird came from PSU. He infused real energy into the program and attracted top recruits. He seems to have inherited the tough coaching style of Russ Rose, but did Rose drive kids into therapy? In the B1G I imagine it takes skill to navigate the line between toughness and emotional abuse. I wonder if more coaches should be women. I don't know.
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Post by jaylene on Jun 5, 2022 14:12:14 GMT -5
I have no doubt that he’s a tough coach as expected but over the years since the portal became an option players have come and gone from all programs not just at IU.
I am sure if you surveyed all the players there would be similar stories across a number of programs. Look at the Cal swim and dive coach who was recently exposed for bullying and verbal abuse. We have a new generation of athletes in a different world with much more sensitivities. Coaches, players and parents need to adapt.
I believe 2019 was Aird’s first recruit class at IU. All three of the girls he recruited (Armstrong, Fitzner and Zulauf) are still with the program.
The COVID year 2020 is a tough one - limited play, restrictions, limitations and isolation. Eight girls came in and half left. Of the four that left only two (Stockham and Blackwell) are still playing. Both returned to their native west coast. Did they leave because they wanted to play on better teams? Was the Midwest winter too tough for the fair weather ladies? Were they home sick? Was it the coaching? Neither of them came forward in the article as far as we know.
Four new faces in 2021 who are all still in the program today.
Lost two coaches but did they leave on their own or were they asked to leave due to the lack of success? They both moved on to better teams as well. Either way it looks like a good career move.
On the other hand, two new, well respected coaches joined the program. Successors? New blood to turn the program around?
Unfortunately for 2022 the article hurt the recruiting class.
So 4 of the 15 recruits under Aird have left in the past 3 years. Two of whom saw little or no playing time and no longer play.
You can spin this either way and can and likely will be debated.
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Post by robtearle on Jun 5, 2022 15:19:07 GMT -5
I have no doubt that he’s a tough coach as expected but over the years since the portal became an option players have come and gone from all programs not just at IU. I am sure if you surveyed all the players there would be similar stories across a number of programs. Look at the Cal swim and dive coach who was recently exposed for bullying and verbal abuse. We have a new generation of athletes in a different world with much more sensitivities. Coaches, players and parents need to adapt. I believe 2019 was Aird’s first recruit class at IU. All three of the girls he recruited (Armstrong, Fitzner and Zulauf) are still with the program. The COVID year 2020 is a tough one - limited play, restrictions, limitations and isolation. Eight girls came in and half left. Of the four that left only two (Stockham and Blackwell) are still playing. Both returned to their native west coast. Did they leave because they wanted to play on better teams? Was the Midwest winter too tough for the fair weather ladies? Were they home sick? Was it the coaching? Neither of them came forward in the article as far as we know. Four new faces in 2021 who are all still in the program today. Lost two coaches but did they leave on their own or were they asked to leave due to the lack of success? They both moved on to better teams as well. Either way it looks like a good career move. On the other hand, two new, well respected coaches joined the program. Successors? New blood to turn the program around? Unfortunately for 2022 the article hurt the recruiting class. So 4 of the 15 recruits under Aird have left in the past 3 years. Two of whom saw little or no playing time and no longer play. You can spin this either way and can and likely will be debated. A new account and a grand total of two comments posted. Both defending Aird. Who are you, and what is your interest? |
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