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Post by huskergeek on Sept 4, 2022 9:27:04 GMT -5
It is certainly concerning. Even before the 6-2 (with Orr watching), I have been trying to figure out how it’s going to work with Bergen Reilly coming in. I can’t imagine a setter with her (ever growing) resume being interested in sitting two years. Didn’t the same thing get said about Orr 💁♂️ indeed it was. There are actually some exceptionally relevant parallels in the Nebraska Recruiting thread. (BTW Orr or Reilly might still be the chosen one after all, I'm not discounting either. The best laid plans of mice and men...)
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 4, 2022 9:27:46 GMT -5
Orr had some career setbacks…you might not have heard… ay just hates nebraska lol ? I’m not hating on Nebraska here. Regardless of what actually transpired, the same things DID get said about Orr, that she’s too good to come to Nebraska to sit behind other setters.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Sept 4, 2022 9:29:19 GMT -5
ay just hates nebraska lol ? I’m not hating on Nebraska here. Regardless of what actually transpired, the same things DID get said about Orr, that she’s too good to come to Nebraska to sit behind other setters. and you also know that an extreme circumstances have happened since most of those comments were made. your comment was just trying to be shady.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Sept 4, 2022 9:32:25 GMT -5
I think way too much is made of "no one has ever won a natty using a 6-2". Well, maybe because less than 10% of teams in any given year use it? Penn State came dang close to winning it all with one. 2017? I think? Just watched the replay. I like the 6-2 for Nebraska as long as Batenhorst can get going. IMO, Evans / Hames in a 6-2 makes more sense than using Orr. You need fast, mobile setters who can defend in a 6-2, and I think that's why it works. Having two libero-level players (Roddy, Knuckles) also helps a ton since you don't necessarily have to worry about the setter playing first contact with them diming sets in secondary. So far, Wisconsin's 6-2 feels forced, Nebraska's looks really, really good to me. I hope Cook keeps it and lets it become well-oiled because I think it would be deadly by the time the B1G starts. I also think that the sample size for 6-2’s isn’t big enough to conclude that it’s inferior. There are a number of prior champions and teams very close to winning that surely could have been in a 6-2 and have been just as successful. When you have solid passing and left sides that can put the ball down at a high kill and efficiency, you are going to win most matches, regardless if it’s in a 5-1 or 6-2. I'm also pretty sure that in the 2002 national title match, BOTH USC and Stanford ran a 6-2. So it's also just wrong to say no one has ever won a natty using it
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 4, 2022 9:33:14 GMT -5
? I’m not hating on Nebraska here. Regardless of what actually transpired, the same things DID get said about Orr, that she’s too good to come to Nebraska to sit behind other setters. and you also know that an extreme circumstances have happened since most of those comments were made. your comment was just trying to be shady. Mmmm it really wasn’t. A poster had said “ I have been trying to figure out how it’s going to work with Bergen Reilly coming in. I can’t imagine a setter with her (ever growing) resume being interested in sitting two years.” I responded that the same thing was said about Orr with Hames and as everyone can see, both are still at the program and playing. Things can end up working out even if it doesn’t appear to casual fans how it could.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 10:27:29 GMT -5
In conclusion, orr is just not the best setter right now. Therefore she will sit. There is nothing else to look into about it imo. It was pretty obvious last night. She got called on doubles, made bad setting choices, set way to low that the hitters couldn't do anything with it,. Overall, really sloppy. Even her bump sets are bad and those are the easiest sets to make and control. It is anni's time to shine. Let her shine 👏
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Post by hipsterfilth on Sept 4, 2022 10:33:08 GMT -5
Watching the replay from last night - VolleyTalk got a shoutout! ;p
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Post by avid 2.0 on Sept 4, 2022 10:34:03 GMT -5
Watching the replay from last night - VolleyTalk got a shoutout! ;p Larry was in the LMU game thread while commentating 😭
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Post by stanfordvb on Sept 4, 2022 10:35:04 GMT -5
In conclusion, orr is just not the best setter right now. Therefore she will sit. There is nothing else to look into about it imo. It was pretty obvious last night. She got called on doubles, made bad setting choices, set way to low that the hitters couldn't do anything with it,. Overall, really sloppy. Even her bump sets are bad and those are the easiest sets to make and control. It is anni's time to shine. Let her shine 👏 eh, I think hand setting is easier than a cross court bump set but I guess its preference. I wonder in cook would consider a 5-2 if Kennedi figures her stuff out. they could use her physicality and presence at the net and then sub hames in for better serve and defense in the back. Florida almost won a natty with it in 2017 and I think these two would be better than those two lol. also im not sold on batenhorst being a starting OH, I think Krause should move back and only play with one opp.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Sept 4, 2022 10:37:06 GMT -5
Watching the replay from last night - VolleyTalk got a shoutout! ;p Larry was in the LMU game thread while commentating 😭 Lol yes, last year he kept calling Kaitlyn Hord "Katie", and I was like "What is with this guy calling her Katie?" and then two mins later he goes "Kaitlyn Hord, WHO GOES BY KATIE" lmao
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Post by veebz17 on Sept 4, 2022 10:46:12 GMT -5
I completely agree with you, stanfordvb. If Kennedi’s game isn’t at the level necessary to run the 5-1, the 5-2 with Hames/Orr makes the most sense in terms of getting the most out of their individual strengths. I’m not surprised that Cook is toying with the 6-2. As much as it seems that he dislikes the bonus covid year of eligibility (I think he resents how it has messed with his plans for his recruits), you can’t justify limiting the role of your All-American setter to a DS if she’s the best option at setter.
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Post by radioactiveman on Sept 4, 2022 11:11:23 GMT -5
Im not familiar enough with setter technique to know, but is there any truth to Hildebrand significantly messing with Orr’s technique? He is the guy who had Hames doing that pirouette instead of back setting so I’m thinking it could be true. But I never saw her set in HS nor am adept enough to spot a technique change.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Sept 4, 2022 11:24:33 GMT -5
Im not familiar enough with setter technique to know, but is there any truth to Hildebrand significantly messing with Orr’s technique? He is the guy who had Hames doing that pirouette instead of back setting so I’m thinking it could be true. But I never saw her set in HS nor am adept enough to spot a technique change. For your Sunday viewing pleasure: 2016 state final (8th grade) Eagan (Melville- UCF; Husemann- Minnesota; Orr-Iowa; Orr-Nebraska) vs Champlin Park (Hilley- Wisconsin; Ashburn- Wisconsin; Weimskirch- Illinois State; Schmidt- Northern Iowa) 2018 state final (10th grade) Eagan (Husemann- Minnesota; Orr-Nebraska; Ifill- Marquette) vs Champlin Park (Ashburn- Wisconsin; Weimskirch- Illinois State; Schmidt- Northern Iowa; Clarke- Penn State; Stalpes- Omaha)
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Post by lvcalum on Sept 4, 2022 11:32:37 GMT -5
and you also know that an extreme circumstances have happened since most of those comments were made. your comment was just trying to be shady. Mmmm it really wasn’t. A poster had said “ I have been trying to figure out how it’s going to work with Bergen Reilly coming in. I can’t imagine a setter with her (ever growing) resume being interested in sitting two years.” I responded that the same thing was said about Orr with Hames and as everyone can see, both are still at the program and playing. Things can end up working out even if it doesn’t appear to casual fans how it could. This is a bad take. The same was said about Orr. Then she tore her ACL and didn’t come back from it well.
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Post by gibbyb1 on Sept 4, 2022 12:28:25 GMT -5
Honestly I wouldn’t be upset if she didn’t. Not that I don’t love her, but this team has gotta figure out how to play without their rock, Kubik. Here’s a potential rundown of next years pins, if she does stay: 5th year: Madi Kubik Seniors: None Juniors: Whitney Lauenstein Ally Batenhorst Lindsay Krause Sophomores: Hayden Kubik Freshman: Harper Murray Caroline Jurevicius Sheesh. That’s 7 pins. Add Skylar Pierce in 2024 and after Kubik is for sure gone you are back to 7. ive said it before but id be surprised if all 7 of those players stay at Nebraska. all top tier recruits and multiple will have to sit the bench for 2-3 years. not a bad problem to have considering the better ones would stay Statistically one out of seven players will transfer out of every school, of course at least one of these players will transfer it well within the average
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