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Post by gibbyb1 on Sept 4, 2022 12:30:08 GMT -5
Well, last night we saw what i was afraid we’d see, not what i hoped we’d see. Orr was a head case. cook is not cutting her any slack or bringing her along slowly. on purpose? does he sense that she is not mentally tough enough? Is this going to toughen her up? or is breaking her going to be a self fulfilling prophecy? in presser he said she was “missing too many sets”. Ironically, i would characterize the last 4 years of the Hames dynasty as “she missed too many sets”. I think for some reason he has given up on Orr. i can’t help but wonder what he is seeing/hearing from her behind the scenes that we don’t see that might lead to that conclusion. Is she a stereotypical post millennial that he just can’t mold? or what?!? Clean up on aisle 4
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Post by andrewwmic on Sept 4, 2022 12:41:01 GMT -5
Well, last night we saw what i was afraid we’d see, not what i hoped we’d see. Orr was a head case. cook is not cutting her any slack or bringing her along slowly. on purpose? does he sense that she is not mentally tough enough? Is this going to toughen her up? or is breaking her going to be a self fulfilling prophecy? in presser he said she was “missing too many sets”. Ironically, i would characterize the last 4 years of the Hames dynasty as “she missed too many sets”. I think for some reason he has given up on Orr. i can’t help but wonder what he is seeing/hearing from her behind the scenes that we don’t see that might lead to that conclusion. Is she a stereotypical post millennial that he just can’t mold? or what?!? There were plenty of missed sets and consistency issues with Hames and she was rarely ever subbed out in her 4 years. Hames had the longest leash and now it seems Orr has none whatsoever. I think the difference might be Orr has 2 very capable setters ready to take her spot, and Nicklin didn’t.
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Post by hipsterfilth on Sept 4, 2022 13:10:54 GMT -5
Well, last night we saw what i was afraid we’d see, not what i hoped we’d see. Orr was a head case. cook is not cutting her any slack or bringing her along slowly. on purpose? does he sense that she is not mentally tough enough? Is this going to toughen her up? or is breaking her going to be a self fulfilling prophecy? in presser he said she was “missing too many sets”. Ironically, i would characterize the last 4 years of the Hames dynasty as “she missed too many sets”. I think for some reason he has given up on Orr. i can’t help but wonder what he is seeing/hearing from her behind the scenes that we don’t see that might lead to that conclusion. Is she a stereotypical post millennial that he just can’t mold? or what?!? There were plenty of missed sets and consistency issues with Hames and she was rarely ever subbed out in her 4 years. Hames had the longest leash and now it seems Orr has none whatsoever. I think the difference might be Orr has 2 very capable setters ready to take her spot, and Nicklin didn’t. For her freshmen and sophomore years, the back up setter to Hames would have been John Cook himself running out there and setting. Aka, there really wasn't a back up plan. And, I think that's a really good thing. You cannot get into a rhythm if you're constantly being yanked out, and I agree that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy where the player plays badly because you've created a situation where they are afraid to fail and be subbed out. I think Shondell at Purdue is the prime example of this last year - you cannot be an elite team with a 3-4 player carousel at OH. If he had chosen 2 early and stuck with it for the most part, I think Purdue would have been a better team. I hope Cook chooses the system and the setters he wants running it this coming week and sticks with it for the sake of 2022. For the future, worry about it when it comes.
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Post by bigredtruck on Sept 4, 2022 17:39:59 GMT -5
Well, last night we saw what i was afraid we’d see, not what i hoped we’d see. Orr was a head case. cook is not cutting her any slack or bringing her along slowly. on purpose? does he sense that she is not mentally tough enough? Is this going to toughen her up? or is breaking her going to be a self fulfilling prophecy? in presser he said she was “missing too many sets”. Ironically, i would characterize the last 4 years of the Hames dynasty as “she missed too many sets”. I think for some reason he has given up on Orr. i can’t help but wonder what he is seeing/hearing from her behind the scenes that we don’t see that might lead to that conclusion. Is she a stereotypical post millennial that he just can’t mold? or what?!? There were plenty of missed sets and consistency issues with Hames and she was rarely ever subbed out in her 4 years. Hames had the longest leash and now it seems Orr has none whatsoever. I think the difference might be Orr has 2 very capable setters ready to take her spot, and Nicklin didn’t. unfortunately, i think you’re probably right. i hope she rises to the occasion. and for those who wonder why i think this is such a big deal? Orr is the FIRST and ONLY setter to lead USA junior national team to a world title. I want her to succeed and be more than just another “failed phenom” and i want to see Cook prove he can develop these top recruits so they keep coming. that’s all!
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Post by rjaege on Sept 5, 2022 8:52:10 GMT -5
There were plenty of missed sets and consistency issues with Hames and she was rarely ever subbed out in her 4 years. Hames had the longest leash and now it seems Orr has none whatsoever. I think the difference might be Orr has 2 very capable setters ready to take her spot, and Nicklin didn’t. unfortunately, i think you’re probably right. i hope she rises to the occasion. and for those who wonder why i think this is such a big deal? Orr is the FIRST and ONLY setter to lead USA junior national team to a world title. I want her to succeed and be more than just another “failed phenom” and i want to see Cook prove he can develop these top recruits so they keep coming. that’s all! 1) Coach Cook has nothing more to prove. The success of former NE volleyball players speaks for itself. 2) Lots of fan opinions on setters based on game performance, or lack of performance. Remember the coaches gauge their decisions on how players perform in games and practices. Also how the team implemented tactics and ran plays. That is:the coaches have a lot more info than fans with respect to player performance and capability. 3) Fans expressing the opinion that a player is a "head case" is just speculation. Please consider that the player could be being asked to execute at a level they are not capable of, and that might be for a lot of reasons, including reasons beyond their control, such as injury, athleticism limitations, or team weaknesses.
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Post by beachvball on Sept 5, 2022 8:57:07 GMT -5
Is there anyway to watch the Nebraska - Long Beach game Saturday online, without a B10+ subscription? I was hoping Volleyball world tv would have it, but they are only carrying the Oregon vs Penn State game and Minnesota vs Stanford game that day.
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Post by stanfordvb on Sept 5, 2022 9:25:48 GMT -5
There were plenty of missed sets and consistency issues with Hames and she was rarely ever subbed out in her 4 years. Hames had the longest leash and now it seems Orr has none whatsoever. I think the difference might be Orr has 2 very capable setters ready to take her spot, and Nicklin didn’t. unfortunately, i think you’re probably right. i hope she rises to the occasion. and for those who wonder why i think this is such a big deal? Orr is the FIRST and ONLY setter to lead USA junior national team to a world title. I want her to succeed and be more than just another “failed phenom” and i want to see Cook prove he can develop these top recruits so they keep coming. that’s all! I think the biggest difference between young hames and young Orr is the volleyball IQ. I think hames 'got it' when she was a freshman but couldn't always physically execute. right now Orr is also struggling to physically execute certain sets, but to me it appears she doesn't 'get it' yet if that makes sense. setters you all should know what im talking about its easier to keep a player on the floor who understands and has a feel for the game but is making some execution errors than one who doesn't really have a good feel for them game yet and is also making execution errors. hames grew up as a coaches kid so its not surprising, I just think she came out of high school a smarter player than Orr, which can be harder to develop in a player than physically skills. some players just have it
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Post by vollectator on Sept 5, 2022 11:14:31 GMT -5
unfortunately, i think you’re probably right. i hope she rises to the occasion. and for those who wonder why i think this is such a big deal? Orr is the FIRST and ONLY setter to lead USA junior national team to a world title. I want her to succeed and be more than just another “failed phenom” and i want to see Cook prove he can develop these top recruits so they keep coming. that’s all! I think the biggest difference between young hames and young Orr is the volleyball IQ. I think hames 'got it' when she was a freshman but couldn't always physically execute. right now Orr is also struggling to physically execute certain sets, but to me it appears she doesn't 'get it' yet if that makes sense. setters you all should know what im talking about its easier to keep a player on the floor who understands and has a feel for the game but is making some execution errors than one who doesn't really have a good feel for them game yet and is also making execution errors. hames grew up as a coaches kid so its not surprising, I just think she came out of high school a smarter player than Orr, which can be harder to develop in a player than physically skills. some players just have it I don’t think I can buy the theory that Orr doesn’t “get it” after she had the most success at her age group at the highest level in the world. Throughout all the interviews of players and coaches, we’ve been hearing how talented Orr is and how she is able to do amazing things with her big hands that most other setters are not able to. If she turns out to be a bust, it frankly does not look good on the program in terms of setter development. Having an all-American as a backup is a double-edged sword after all, it seems, contrary to my initial take. Orr needs to play through whatever issue(s) there might be, and not sitting through them.
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Post by ilikecorn on Sept 5, 2022 11:34:49 GMT -5
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Post by stanfordvb on Sept 5, 2022 11:37:13 GMT -5
I think the biggest difference between young hames and young Orr is the volleyball IQ. I think hames 'got it' when she was a freshman but couldn't always physically execute. right now Orr is also struggling to physically execute certain sets, but to me it appears she doesn't 'get it' yet if that makes sense. setters you all should know what im talking about its easier to keep a player on the floor who understands and has a feel for the game but is making some execution errors than one who doesn't really have a good feel for them game yet and is also making execution errors. hames grew up as a coaches kid so its not surprising, I just think she came out of high school a smarter player than Orr, which can be harder to develop in a player than physically skills. some players just have it I don’t think I can buy the theory that Orr doesn’t “get it” after she had the most success at her age group at the highest level in the world. Throughout all the interviews of players and coaches, we’ve been hearing how talented Orr is and how she is able to do amazing things with her big hands that most other setters are not able to. that's the thing tho. being able to physically impressive things doesn't mean you get it. It is clear to people who know volleyball that orr does not yet have great decision making and doesn't put her hitters in the best spots to be successful. I think hames better understood what it meant to run an offense at the stage in her career. Orr has the physical capability to be one of the best in the country, but the mental capability isnt there right now. hames was the exact opposite and had to learn how to be a physically more athletic player. being able to do things other setters can't do doesnt mean you know how to run an effective offense. if Orr did, she would be starting
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Post by stanfordvb on Sept 5, 2022 12:08:59 GMT -5
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Post by gibbyb1 on Sept 5, 2022 12:20:56 GMT -5
The 6-2 is about getting the attackers on the floor, way too much focus on this system being about setting IMO.
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Post by volleyaudience on Sept 5, 2022 13:07:26 GMT -5
This press conference is the first time I've felt Coach Cook was super serious about giving 6-2 a chance as the primary approach to this year. And, I agree, this is about getting four attackers with great potential on the floor and, IMO, getting hitting efficiencies up to Cook's preferred standards.
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Post by avid 2.0 on Sept 6, 2022 16:42:54 GMT -5
Bergen Reilly is starting for the USA National team against Canada
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Post by brickred on Sept 6, 2022 16:53:29 GMT -5
Bergen Reilly is starting for the USA National team against Canada Um...out of the gate she looks really good, all things considered (call up last minute/connection with hitters). I'm impressed.
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