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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 5, 2022 7:46:38 GMT -5
Totally lose the slide and OH see more double blocks,well-formed blocks. Adding an additional hitter in Rotations 4 through 6 (by subbing in a second setter into the back row and a new RS into the front row) is not going to make the OH see better blocks. Exactly the opposite, in fact. Besides, nothing stops you from running the slide with three front-row attackers - the Badgers certainly did it last year. It's just no longer necessary. The only thing in a 6-2 that would make the OH see better blocks is if you became so much worse defensively that you were reduced to setting high balls to the OH in transition. Freezing a MB with a moving MH is different than having a relatively stationary MH. It's particularly true when you have a fast slide. While some teams set fast to the RS, it's not going to likely be what happens on most college teams. I see your point and agree but also think there is a reason slides are so prevalent in the women's game...the movement and speed tend to take MB out of the play or create a very porous left side block. And it's not only the movement. It's WHERE The extra hitter is coming from. While Demps bic was fast, that didn't open up the OH. The fact that we had great middles in front of Demps moving gave her few if any blockers. If we'd set that same ball to the outside, there'd be a better formed block. So while having a 4th hitter has it's advantages, not running a slide causes other challenges, in my opinion. In my opinion, decision on offense comes down to which setter has the hands, smarts and placement to put however many hitters we have in the best position possible, or whether both are fully capable.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 5, 2022 9:04:29 GMT -5
Crawford has three years eligibility remaining, as does Smrek, as does Robinson. The Badgers are OK at middle for a while. They certainly are fine at middle for a while. Also, currently on the outside, Orzol, Demps and Franklin have 3 years and Wrobel has 4. However, in 2024 one of Robinson or Smrek is playing opp and there is no middle depth. There is always the transfer market, but it would be nice to see a good mix with some young developmental depth. I'll actually be happy with any 2024 top tier hitter commit, middle or outside. A lot depends on players taking their extra COVID year, and I don't know if it's a good assumption that they all will. If they do, there will be a wholesale turnover in 2025 the likes we have never seen at UW - probably larger than 2017. It would be nice to ease into that a bit with a few 2024 recruits. It will be a challenge for the staff to maintain a culture with so little turnover.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 5, 2022 9:21:27 GMT -5
Taylor Trammell's favorite player of all time is Molly Haggerty.
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 5, 2022 9:37:08 GMT -5
Been saving this, but Sheffield had a Twitter thread with a whole set of pictures that did not get included in the Point Wisconsin book. Some are pretty cool. Was nice to see Deme with her baby daughter for instance! (Apologies to the Twitter incapable. I don't know how to get around that in this case)
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Post by skinny on Aug 5, 2022 11:04:21 GMT -5
They certainly are fine at middle for a while. Also, currently on the outside, Orzol, Demps and Franklin have 3 years and Wrobel has 4. However, in 2024 one of Robinson or Smrek is playing opp and there is no middle depth. There is always the transfer market, but it would be nice to see a good mix with some young developmental depth. I'll actually be happy with any 2024 top tier hitter commit, middle or outside. A lot depends on players taking their extra COVID year, and I don't know if it's a good assumption that they all will. If they do, there will be a wholesale turnover in 2025 the likes we have never seen at UW - probably larger than 2017. It would be nice to ease into that a bit with a few 2024 recruits. It will be a challenge for the staff to maintain a culture with so little turnover. Possibly could be a lot of turnover after this season as well. Hart and Shanel for sure. Izzy most likely. Also Boyer, Macdonald, and Gregorski all can graduate this coming school year correct? Also i wasnt on here for it, so i missed the discussion if there was any. But can somebody tell me what happened with the Greek MB chick that was suppose to be a part of this 2022 class? Did that decision have to be made last summer? She just didnt want to go to college?
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Post by skinny on Aug 5, 2022 11:10:34 GMT -5
Taylor Trammell's favorite player of all time is Molly Haggerty. Thats very sweet. Molly was my favorite too. Kind of a funny girl. Love her singing voice.
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Post by BadgerAce42 on Aug 5, 2022 11:19:08 GMT -5
A lot depends on players taking their extra COVID year, and I don't know if it's a good assumption that they all will. If they do, there will be a wholesale turnover in 2025 the likes we have never seen at UW - probably larger than 2017. It would be nice to ease into that a bit with a few 2024 recruits. It will be a challenge for the staff to maintain a culture with so little turnover. Possibly could be a lot of turnover after this season as well. Hart and Shanel for sure. Izzy most likely. Also Boyer, Macdonald, and Gregorski all can graduate this coming school year correct? Also i wasnt on here for it, so i missed the discussion if there was any. But can somebody tell me what happened with the Greek MB chick that was suppose to be a part of this 2022 class? Did that decision have to be made last summer? She just didnt want to go to college? Anthouli decided to go pro, I believe.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Aug 5, 2022 11:53:33 GMT -5
A lot depends on players taking their extra COVID year, and I don't know if it's a good assumption that they all will. If they do, there will be a wholesale turnover in 2025 the likes we have never seen at UW - probably larger than 2017. It would be nice to ease into that a bit with a few 2024 recruits. It will be a challenge for the staff to maintain a culture with so little turnover. Possibly could be a lot of turnover after this season as well. Hart and Shanel for sure. Izzy most likely. Also Boyer, Macdonald, and Gregorski all can graduate this coming school year correct? Yes. Here's the list of players grouped by last year of athletic eligibility (barring injury/redshirt), with their 2022 academic year in parenthesis. 2022Bramschreiber (Gr) Hart* (Gr) 2023Ashburn (Sr) McCaa (Sr) MacDonald (Sr) Boyer (Sr) 2024Gregorski (Sr) Hammill (Jr) Demps (Jr) Robinson (Jr) Crawford (Jr) Reed (Jr) Franklin (Jr) Orzoł (So) Smrek (So) 2025Wrobel (Fr) Güçtekin (Fr) *This is Hart's 4th season playing. She redshirted for development her true freshman year, so last season would've been her 4th season of playing, but she tore her ACL. Since she was here during the COVID year of 2020-21, she could play for 5 years. So it's technically possible she & the staff could decide to petition the NCAA for a 7th year / 5th season of playing time, like what happened for Caffey. However, I do not see that being likely, as Hart was planning to be done after last season until she tore her ACL.
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Post by tablealgebra on Aug 5, 2022 13:39:23 GMT -5
Possibly could be a lot of turnover after this season as well. Hart and Shanel for sure. Izzy most likely. Also Boyer, Macdonald, and Gregorski all can graduate this coming school year correct? Yes. Here's the list of players grouped by last year of athletic eligibility (barring injury/redshirt), with their 2022 academic year in parenthesis. 2022Bramschreiber (Gr) Hart* (Gr) 2023Ashburn (Sr) McCaa (Sr) MacDonald (Sr) Boyer (Sr) 2024Gregorski (Sr) Hammill (Jr) Demps (Jr) Robinson (Jr) Crawford (Jr) Reed (Jr) Franklin (Jr) Orzoł (So) Smrek (So) 2025Wrobel (Fr) Güçtekin (Fr) *This is Hart's 4th season playing. She redshirted for development her true freshman year, so last season would've been her 4th season of playing, but she tore her ACL. Since she was here during the COVID year of 2020-21, she could play for 5 years. So it's technically possible she & the staff could decide to petition the NCAA for a 7th year / 5th season of playing time, like what happened for Caffey. However, I do not see that being likely, as Hart was planning to be done after last season until she tore her ACL. It's crazy that potentially the best team we could throw out there would be built completely from players who will still be eligible in 2024 (though I'm sure that Hart, Ashburn and at least one L/DS would like to disagree with that). Also, this and other situations regarding COVID year eligibility makes me think that being a HS junior or senior aspiring to be a D1 volleyball player must suck right now. Lots of teams who don't know how many schollies they can allocate and lots of players who will be coming back creating extra competition.
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Post by taxidea on Aug 5, 2022 14:02:41 GMT -5
Adding an additional hitter in Rotations 4 through 6 (by subbing in a second setter into the back row and a new RS into the front row) is not going to make the OH see better blocks. Exactly the opposite, in fact. Besides, nothing stops you from running the slide with three front-row attackers - the Badgers certainly did it last year. It's just no longer necessary. The only thing in a 6-2 that would make the OH see better blocks is if you became so much worse defensively that you were reduced to setting high balls to the OH in transition. Freezing a MB with a moving MH is different than having a relatively stationary MH. It's particularly true when you have a fast slide. While some teams set fast to the RS, it's not going to likely be what happens on most college teams. I see your point and agree but also think there is a reason slides are so prevalent in the women's game...the movement and speed tend to take MB out of the play or create a very porous left side block. And it's not only the movement. It's WHERE The extra hitter is coming from. While Demps bic was fast, that didn't open up the OH. The fact that we had great middles in front of Demps moving gave her few if any blockers. If we'd set that same ball to the outside, there'd be a better formed block. So while having a 4th hitter has it's advantages, not running a slide causes other challenges, in my opinion. In my opinion, decision on offense comes down to which setter has the hands, smarts and placement to put however many hitters we have in the best position possible, or whether both are fully capable. Great post! Still trying to get a good grasp of the 6-2, or 5-2 for that matter. Grateful for the discussion here. Really a big help help. Still think (predict) we go predominantly with 5-1, and sub 6-2 to take advantage of situations and matchups. Kelly will get the team trained up and ready to roll with it for sure. Letz go!!
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Post by SportyBucky on Aug 5, 2022 14:16:59 GMT -5
Freezing a MB with a moving MH is different than having a relatively stationary MH. It's particularly true when you have a fast slide. While some teams set fast to the RS, it's not going to likely be what happens on most college teams. I see your point and agree but also think there is a reason slides are so prevalent in the women's game...the movement and speed tend to take MB out of the play or create a very porous left side block. And it's not only the movement. It's WHERE The extra hitter is coming from. While Demps bic was fast, that didn't open up the OH. The fact that we had great middles in front of Demps moving gave her few if any blockers. If we'd set that same ball to the outside, there'd be a better formed block. So while having a 4th hitter has it's advantages, not running a slide causes other challenges, in my opinion. In my opinion, decision on offense comes down to which setter has the hands, smarts and placement to put however many hitters we have in the best position possible, or whether both are fully capable. Great post! Still trying to get a good grasp of the 6-2, or 5-2 for that matter. Grateful for the discussion here. Really a big help help. Still think (predict) we go predominantly with 5-1, and sub 6-2 to take advantage of situations and matchups. Kelly will get the team trained up and ready to roll with it for sure. Letz go!! Happy to pass on what I got! I liked someone's post earlier around recruiting. You really need to recruit differently to run a 6-2. Circumstances may force it, but it rarely isn't contemplated. Really excited for the season!
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Post by ndodge on Aug 5, 2022 14:17:05 GMT -5
Wisconsin voilaballers Wisconsin 23-5 wcd2001 Wisconsin - 23-5 ndodge Wisconsin 21-7 taxidea Wisconsin 25-3 JT Wisconsin 25-3 greatlakesvballer Wisconsin 25-3 Sharky Wisconsin 24-4 SportyBucky Wisconsin 24-4 wiscvball Wisconsin 25-3 rainbowbadger - Wisconsin - 23-5 overdanet80. Wisconsin 25-3 buckyupbuttercup Wisconsin 24-4
Last year I was right in my UW prediction. This year I hope not to be. I guess I was being pessimistic and I also just did a really really quick scan down their schedule -- thought that they might slip here and there getting in sync and then slip here and there in tough conference road matches. But I think 7 was too many, I'd probably say 5 losses if I had to do it again. Actually, I think I will go change my vote.
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Post by tedheise on Aug 5, 2022 16:07:02 GMT -5
I’m really enjoying the discussion of how two-setter systems work, and learning a lot. Thanks! That said, it’s not at all clear to me what a half rotation would be. Any hints for me? And if it’s information that’s pretty available, a simple STFW is fine too. 😊 A team is in a particular rotational position for a serving turn and a serve-receiver turn, until they win the serve back. So a half-rotation refers to either the serving half or the receiving half of that particular rotational position. Eg. Wisconsin wins the serve, Orzol rotates back to be the server, and then stsys there for serve-receive, until Wisconsin wins back the serve, when she rotates to middle-back. Her serve and then her serve-receive are the two halfs of that rotation. Thanks, both. I guess I kinda knew that, but maybe wasn’t appreciating that players could sub in/out both halves?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2022 16:50:59 GMT -5
Wisconsin voilaballers Wisconsin 23-5 wcd2001 Wisconsin - 23-5 ndodge Wisconsin 21-7 taxidea Wisconsin 25-3 JT Wisconsin 25-3 greatlakesvballer Wisconsin 25-3 Sharky Wisconsin 24-4 SportyBucky Wisconsin 24-4 wiscvball Wisconsin 25-3 rainbowbadger - Wisconsin - 23-5 overdanet80. Wisconsin 25-3 buckyupbuttercup Wisconsin 24-4 Last year I was right in my UW prediction. This year I hope not to be. I guess I was being pessimistic and I also just did a really really quick scan down their schedule -- thought that they might slip here and there getting in sync and then slip here and there in tough conference road matches. But I think 7 was too many, I'd probably say 5 losses if I had to do it again. Actually, I think I will go change my vote. Seven losses would mean our setting situation has had a rough go of it. Assuming we run a 5-1 and Hammill wins the job I feel the following. Hammill arrived early so she had offseason spring 2020 with Hilley, practice in Aug 2020, and 1 and 3/4 seasons in 2021.
Hilley had a few months with Carlini in Spring Semester of 2017. Hammill could very well be significantly ahead of where Hilley was as a freshman.
A 2022 Hammill that is at 2/3 to 3/4 of the 2021-FALL Hilley edition is gonna help do some major damage especially with all the weapons at her disposal.
Remember in the last two offseasons we added FOUR liberos/defensive specialists and ZERO setters to our current squad.
I think Coach Sheffield feels very confident in the immediate and near term futures in regards to the setter position.
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Post by robtearle on Aug 5, 2022 17:02:28 GMT -5
A team is in a particular rotational position for a serving turn and a serve-receiver turn, until they win the serve back. So a half-rotation refers to either the serving half or the receiving half of that particular rotational position. Eg. Wisconsin wins the serve, Orzol rotates back to be the server, and then stsys there for serve-receive, until Wisconsin wins back the serve, when she rotates to middle-back. Her serve and then her serve-receive are the two halfs of that rotation. Thanks, both. I guess I kinda knew that, but maybe wasn’t appreciating that players could sub in/out both halves? The most obvious half-rotation sub situation is when the libero comes out while the "serving middle" serves; one middle must serve, while the other middle's spot in the overall rotation can be served by the libero. So for example, last season when Barnes was serving she was (usually) subbed in at Robinson's spot, while Barnes could not serve while in Rettke's spot. Most of the time Izzy would sub in to serve for Rettke, and the Barnes would go back in for the rest of "Rettke's" turn across the back row. (Occasionally Rettke would serve herself, before Barnes came back in.) Either way, Izzy or Rettke was back right for the serving half-rotation before Barnes came in for the serve-receive half-rotation. By rule, the most a libero can be on the court in five and a half of the six rotations, with the serving middle in for the other half-rotation.
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