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Post by robtearle on Aug 22, 2022 10:58:59 GMT -5
Dancing next to Demps and Gregorski. No matter what Sheffield ends up deciding, some really good players are not going to get much playing time. Demps will not be relegated to the sidelines. Book it! Then either Hart or Crawford is dancing with Wrobel and Gregorski.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 11:09:06 GMT -5
Demps will not be relegated to the sidelines. Book it! Then either Hart or Crawford is dancing with Wrobel and Gregorski. I edited my previous message but we don't have to relegate key talents to the spirit squad. Orzol and Wrobel can timeshare 75/25. Same with Hart and C.C. These players want to win and aren't gonna pout if their playing time gets reduced. Lauren Barnes was sidelined for Civita at one point.
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Post by robtearle on Aug 22, 2022 11:51:32 GMT -5
Then either Hart or Crawford is dancing with Wrobel and Gregorski. Lauren Barnes was sidelined for Civita at one point. One match - Northern Illinois, IIRC - Civita was libero and Barnes was DS. Barnes was not "sidelined"; she played three rotations instead of 5 1/2 rotations. Last year, Wisconsin used 14 different starting lineups over the course of 28 regular season matches. I fully expect there to be lots of variations and experimentation this year. But you have three quality left sides, and when NCAA time comes, only two are going to be on the court. You have three quality middles, and when NCAA time comes, only two are going to be on the court. Expanding that a bit, you have five quality middles and opposites, and comes NCAA time, only four at most will be on the court. I'm glad I don't have to make the decisions.
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Post by savannahbadger on Aug 22, 2022 11:56:54 GMT -5
Orzol and Wrobel can timeshare 75/25. Same with Hart and C.C. If I understand rotations correctly, couldn’t JO, SF, and EW rotate all at the OH position? Franklin has played 2 seasons as a 6-rotation player, while Orzol has only done it once so far, but had those injuries in doing so. It seems like they could at least give Julia a few breaks to keep her healthy. Wrobel is pretty big and strong, so keeping her on the sideline a lot seems like a bad move. Does Demps come in to serve and/or play in the backrow at all for the MB’s, or does the libero always sub in for the MB that rotates to the backrow? These players want to win and aren't gonna pout if their playing time gets reduced. Lauren Barnes was sidelined for Civita at one point. I was at that match, and was a bit surprised by it. It was an odd match, as it was the first match after Hart’s injury, and Grace was apparently benched at the time (or so my cousin thought, and was pretty pissed off at that, as the NIU match was pretty much her backyard, and Loberg’s parents were there along with a bunch area club teams were there to watch). That was the start of a lot of tinkering with the lineups, to see what was going to stick. EDIT: as rob noted, Barnes did play as the DS in that match.
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Post by robtearle on Aug 22, 2022 12:16:20 GMT -5
Orzol and Wrobel can timeshare 75/25. Same with Hart and C.C. If I understand rotations correctly, couldn’t JO, SF, and EW rotate all at the OH position? Franklin has played 2 seasons as a 6-rotation player, while Orzol has only done it once so far, but had those injuries in doing so. It seems like they could at least give Julia a few breaks to keep her healthy. Wrobel is pretty big and strong, so keeping her on the sideline a lot seems like a bad move. Does Demps come in to serve and/or play in the backrow at all for the MB’s, or does the libero always sub in for the MB that rotates to the backrow? These players want to win and aren't gonna pout if their playing time gets reduced. Lauren Barnes was sidelined for Civita at one point. I was at that match, and was a bit surprised by it. It was an odd match, as it was the first match after Hart’s injury, and Grace was apparently benched at the time (or so my cousin thought, and was pretty pissed off at that, as the NIU match was pretty much her backyard, and Loberg’s parents were there along with a bunch area club teams were there to watch). That was the start of a lot of tinkering with the lineups, to see what was going to stick. EDIT: as rob noted, Barnes did play as the DS in that match. Yes, you could rotate the three of them at left side. You could change which two play a given set, such that each plays two sets in a three-set match. Or you could rotate all three within a set. But that would mean each would be playing the L1 position one time through, and then the L2 the next time. Meaning next to a different middle from one rotation to the next. Others can say how big a deal that would be, but I would think it would be 'disrupting'. Even playing two sets each means at least one of them would have to be the L1 one set and the L2 in their other set. (One early match last year, they did that with the middles; Rettke-Hart one set, Rettke-Smrek another, and Hart-Smrek the third set. You can do that kind of thing vs UW-Green Bay or Rhode Island - no offense to them - but you don't do that vs Baylor or Kentucky) ---------- One of the two middles must serve for herself (or be subbed out for a serving sub); the other's serving turn can be taken by the libero. No, Demps never served for a middle; when Demps served, she was a backrow sub at 'opposite/right-side', subbing in for Smrek.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2022 12:23:06 GMT -5
Lauren Barnes was sidelined for Civita at one point. One match - Northern Illinois, IIRC - Civita was libero and Barnes was DS. Barnes was not "sidelined"; she played three rotations instead of 5 1/2 rotations. Last year, Wisconsin used 14 different starting lineups over the course of 28 regular season matches. I fully expect there to be lots of variations and experimentation this year. But you have three quality left sides, and when NCAA time comes, only two are going to be on the court. You have three quality middles, and when NCAA time comes, only two are going to be on the court. Expanding that a bit, you have five quality middles and opposites, and comes NCAA time, only four at most will be on the court. I'm glad I don't have to make the decisions. Come NCAA time yes, throughout a good chunk of the regular season no. Yeh ultimately a very talented middle and pin hitter will see sparse court time. If we go a 5-1 I think we'll still see a fair amount of CC even after Hart is full bore and Ella will I believe still get periodic floor time through early to mid November. Barnes was not physically on the sidelines she temporarily stepped aside from the libero position. The main point was roles change, playing time changes and Barnes handling of the matter was aces. This team is about winning and not letting egos get in the way.
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Post by robtearle on Aug 22, 2022 12:25:41 GMT -5
One match - Northern Illinois, IIRC - Civita was libero and Barnes was DS. Barnes was not "sidelined"; she played three rotations instead of 5 1/2 rotations. Last year, Wisconsin used 14 different starting lineups over the course of 28 regular season matches. I fully expect there to be lots of variations and experimentation this year. But you have three quality left sides, and when NCAA time comes, only two are going to be on the court. You have three quality middles, and when NCAA time comes, only two are going to be on the court. Expanding that a bit, you have five quality middles and opposites, and comes NCAA time, only four at most will be on the court. I'm glad I don't have to make the decisions. Come NCAA time yes, throughout a good chunk of the regular season no. Yeh ultimately a very talented middle and pin hitter will see sparse court time. If we go a 5-1 I think we'll still see a fair amount of CC even after Hart is full bore and Ella will I believe still get periodic floor time through early to mid November. Barnes was not physically on the sidelines she temporarily stepped aside from the libero position. The main point was roles change, playing time changes and Barnes handling of the matter was aces. This team is about winning and not letting egos get in the way. No one has said *anything* about "egos" or "pouting". No one.
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Post by savannahbadger on Aug 22, 2022 12:26:09 GMT -5
Gotcha. I think I’m still a bit fuzzy on this, even for 5-1 substitutions, but I’m getting there. Assuming the OH’s play all 6 rotations, the only subbing in a 6-2 is the S/OH subs and then one withe MB/L? The MB/L sub is a “free” one, right?
CC seemed to have the best serve of the middles. Hart did OK at it last year, but I’m going to guess he’s going to limit her jumping as much as possible, so no serving for her.
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Post by savannahbadger on Aug 22, 2022 12:32:22 GMT -5
No one has said *anything* about "egos" or "pouting". No one. No, but it appears as if Jardine transferred to get more playing time. It didn’t appear as if she was going to get very much of it here. She handled it pretty well publicly, so that’s a big positive. Boyer handled her role well last year, going from getting regular time to being demoted to allow Demps to play in the backrow. To stick around for this season, knowing it might not look like she’s going to see the court much says a lot about her too. Looking at their IG’s, on and off the court, they seem to be very tight and spend a lot of time together, so that really bodes well for keeping chemistry issues to a minimum. Let’s hope there’s no issues this season.
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Post by robtearle on Aug 22, 2022 12:33:37 GMT -5
Gotcha. I think I’m still a bit fuzzy on this, even for 5-1 substitutions, but I’m getting there. Assuming the OH’s play all 6 rotations, the only subbing in a 6-2 is the S/OH subs and then one withe MB/L? The MB/L sub is a “free” one, right? Correct. But if Orzol and Franklin both play 6-rotation, then whichever of Bramschrieber or Guctekin isn't libero, the non-libero never gets on the court. So don't expect both to play 6-rotation. Orzol had slightly better serve-receive numbers in term of attempts and errors than Franklin (though with a better team around her), and Sheffield has talked about how highly she graded out on her passing, so my guess is Ozrol mostly plays 6-rotation and Franklin does not, being subbed out for GG or Bramschreiber. But that's a guess. --------- Adding, that might be the 'work-around' for GG's serve while she practices it. Bramschreiber gets libero, Franklin stays in to serve, but then subs out for GG when her serve turn is over.
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Post by stanfordvb on Aug 22, 2022 13:14:07 GMT -5
Gotcha. I think I’m still a bit fuzzy on this, even for 5-1 substitutions, but I’m getting there. Assuming the OH’s play all 6 rotations, the only subbing in a 6-2 is the S/OH subs and then one withe MB/L? The MB/L sub is a “free” one, right? Correct. But if Orzol and Franklin both play 6-rotation, then whichever of Bramschrieber or Guctekin isn't libero, the non-libero never gets on the court. So don't expect both to play 6-rotation. Orzol had slightly better serve-receive numbers in term of attempts and errors than Franklin (though with a better team around her), and Sheffield has talked about how highly she graded out on her passing, so my guess is Ozrol mostly plays 6-rotation and Franklin does not, being subbed out for GG or Bramschreiber. But that's a guess. --------- Adding, that might be the 'work-around' for GG's serve while she practices it. Bramschreiber gets libero, Franklin stays in to serve, but then subs out for GG when her serve turn is over. I know its been debated, but I think GG should be the lib. I just see more upside and think she plays more like a libero than bramshcreiber (who I think is perfect to be a middle back ds. GG has experience playing against teams far better than any team NCAA and I think once she settles in that she will be very special
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Post by greatlakesvballer on Aug 22, 2022 13:31:12 GMT -5
Gotcha. I think I’m still a bit fuzzy on this, even for 5-1 substitutions, but I’m getting there. Assuming the OH’s play all 6 rotations, the only subbing in a 6-2 is the S/OH subs and then one withe MB/L? The MB/L sub is a “free” one, right? CC seemed to have the best serve of the middles. Hart did OK at it last year, but I’m going to guess he’s going to limit her jumping as much as possible, so no serving for her. It's a pity McCaa is injured. She has a very good serve, if the few Boston College matches I watched are any indication.
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Post by robtearle on Aug 22, 2022 13:51:24 GMT -5
Correct. But if Orzol and Franklin both play 6-rotation, then whichever of Bramschrieber or Guctekin isn't libero, the non-libero never gets on the court. So don't expect both to play 6-rotation. Orzol had slightly better serve-receive numbers in term of attempts and errors than Franklin (though with a better team around her), and Sheffield has talked about how highly she graded out on her passing, so my guess is Ozrol mostly plays 6-rotation and Franklin does not, being subbed out for GG or Bramschreiber. But that's a guess. --------- Adding, that might be the 'work-around' for GG's serve while she practices it. Bramschreiber gets libero, Franklin stays in to serve, but then subs out for GG when her serve turn is over. I know its been debated, but I think GG should be the lib. I just see more upside and think she plays more like a libero than bramshcreiber (who I think is perfect to be a middle back ds. GG has experience playing against teams far better than any team NCAA and I think once she settles in that she will be very special The issue is, or I guess might be, that liberos playing internationally don't serve. In the NCAA, the libero can serve in place of one of the two middles; internationally, both middles must serve for themselves. So while GG has a great deal of experience at libero, she has little serving. If she and Bramschreiber are 'close' in other aspects, GG's lack of serving experience could be the deciding factor. Maybe Bramschrieber starts the year as libero, and then they switch down the road?
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Post by stanfordvb on Aug 22, 2022 15:06:42 GMT -5
I know its been debated, but I think GG should be the lib. I just see more upside and think she plays more like a libero than bramshcreiber (who I think is perfect to be a middle back ds. GG has experience playing against teams far better than any team NCAA and I think once she settles in that she will be very special The issue is, or I guess might be, that liberos playing internationally don't serve. In the NCAA, the libero can serve in place of one of the two middles; internationally, both middles must serve for themselves. So while GG has a great deal of experience at libero, she has little serving. If she and Bramschreiber are 'close' in other aspects, GG's lack of serving experience could be the deciding factor. Maybe Bramschrieber starts the year as libero, and then they switch down the road? there could always be a serve sub used and luckily there's much more difficult things to improve than a serve. Out of the libero bigger responsibilities, their serve isn't even top 3. they would have to be just about dead even as players for a serve to be the deciding factor of who gets the spot
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Post by volleyparent on Aug 22, 2022 15:12:55 GMT -5
The issue is, or I guess might be, that liberos playing internationally don't serve. In the NCAA, the libero can serve in place of one of the two middles; internationally, both middles must serve for themselves. So while GG has a great deal of experience at libero, she has little serving. If she and Bramschreiber are 'close' in other aspects, GG's lack of serving experience could be the deciding factor. Maybe Bramschrieber starts the year as libero, and then they switch down the road? there could always be a serve sub used and luckily there's much more difficult things to improve than a serve. Out of the libero bigger responsibilities, their serve isn't even top 3. they would have to be just about dead even as players for a serve to be the deciding factor of who gets the spot It's also possible to allow both Middle blockers to serve. The disadvantage is perhaps the defense on those half of rotations.
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