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Post by robtearle on Aug 29, 2022 16:12:08 GMT -5
People are undervaluing Demps and overvaluing Franklin as it relates to the back row IMO. Agree. Demps is faster. Franklin is stronger. In the back row, I value defense more. With our OOS problem is largely solved by a healthy Ozol and Franklin, back row attack is significantly less important now. Furthermore, resting Franklin helps offense too.Don't get me wrong, I love Franklin as much as the next guy, but I vote for Demps in the back. EDIT: And the Demps' serves, they might look weak but the balls float and make aces..........and next to zero errors. If you are going to sub for Franklin, and Boyer is available (and prior to Bramschreiber becoming available), then Boyer is the choice. Her passing would be better, and her service ace to error ratio was MUCH better than Demps last season. Boyer had 22 aces and 22 errors; Demps was 7 aces and 23 errors. To be fair, Sheffiled says in Punzel's book that when she started serving, Demps was "awful" (IIRC the exact description) and clearly got better. So those stats may be misleading for what they would be now. But Boyer is at least as good a serve, and better floor defense and passing.
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Post by pull3 on Aug 29, 2022 17:08:00 GMT -5
Agree. Demps is faster. Franklin is stronger. In the back row, I value defense more. With our OOS problem is largely solved by a healthy Ozol and Franklin, back row attack is significantly less important now. Furthermore, resting Franklin helps offense too.Don't get me wrong, I love Franklin as much as the next guy, but I vote for Demps in the back. EDIT: And the Demps' serves, they might look weak but the balls float and make aces..........and next to zero errors. If you are going to sub for Franklin, and Boyer is available (and prior to Bramschreiber becoming available), then Boyer is the choice. Her passing would be better, and her service ace to error ratio was MUCH better than Demps last season. Boyer had 22 aces and 22 errors; Demps was 7 aces and 23 errors. To be fair, Sheffiled says in Punzel's book that when she started serving, Demps was "awful" (IIRC the exact description) and clearly got better. So those stats may be misleading for what they would be now. But Boyer is at least as good a serve, and better floor defense and passing. yeah I remember Demps was aweful. Everytime she served I would say to myself, "come on". But towards the end of the season, her serves couldn't impress me more. I would still pick Demps over Boyer because of the offense though. I haven't seen Shanel yet, but the starting libero for Baylor, can't be overlooked. She would get the nod to play over Demps from me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2022 17:18:06 GMT -5
If they stay in a 6-2 I don’t see them staying in the top 10.
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Post by pull3 on Aug 29, 2022 18:02:33 GMT -5
Sheffield Press Conference released. Basically he is happy with the 6-2............ And Loberg will be commentating on Big Ten Network. @_@
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Post by slxpress on Aug 29, 2022 18:18:04 GMT -5
This is one of those decisions that is judged wholly retrospectively. If he sticks with it and Wisconsin wins the B1G/makes the Final Four he’s a genius visionary that saw what the fans couldn’t see yet.
If the team struggles and he keeps with it, falling to 4th or worse in conference and exiting in the Sweet Sixteen or earlier it’ll be more, “well, we just won a national conference and he made the program into one of the most consistent winners in the country. Maybe the 6-2 wasn’t the best answer for this year. Or maybe we didn’t have the horses regardless of the system.”
Either way he’s a GREAT coach. I tip my hat off to him. If you’re going to be successful with the 6-2, you can’t change tack at the first sign of struggle. I thought he was giving lip service to it to keep his two setters engaged, but badger fans knew better and tried to tell me so. When Sheffield says something, he means it. Which is a credit to him.
My bet is still on a reversion to a 5-1 at some point, but I’m sure as heck less married to it, and even then there’s some eating of my words already even if he does revert later in the season.
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Post by tablealgebra on Aug 29, 2022 19:00:40 GMT -5
People seem convinced that a 6-2 is a completely different system. It's not.
Basically, in a 5-1, you run different formations and patterns for all six serve receive rotations (serving is easy, basically the front and back players all run to their position while the ball goes over the net). Rotation 1 is setter serving, then 2 is L1, 3 is M2 (or libero), 4 is Opposite serving, etc...
In a 6-2, you run the formations for rotations 1 through 3. Then you sub out your setter and opposites (or, if you have a hybrid who does both, they switch roles) and run the same formations for rotations 1 through 3 again during rotations 4-6.
Therefore, to switch from a 6-2 to a 5-1, you need only learn three more rotations. Which would be problematic IF we didn't have the key components for succeeding in rotations 4-6: MB's who can run the slide effectively (in particular, Hart, but Robinson also did a decent job at it last year). Not to mention, the other two things that can help you in those rotations are people who can hit out of the back, and a dominant OH. Feels like we have those as well.
Clearly, the setter learning those rotations could be an issue, but look at it this way - they are learning rotations 1 through 3 of the 5-1 really well while running the 6-2, so if we switch back they only have to learn half the offense and can concentrate on doing that the back half of the season.
My other thought on a mid-season system switch and playing for player development, if it comes to that: we probably are a 5-16 seed. The difference between a 5 seed and a 16 seed this season would seem to completely depend on whether you get drawn in with Texas or not, which is probably just dumb luck; otherwise, I don't think that a 15 seed has a significantly harder road to the final four than a 6 seed. So take the time to develop your players. A 6-2 gets more of the players who need playing time out on the court.
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Post by tablealgebra on Aug 29, 2022 19:05:50 GMT -5
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 29, 2022 19:10:59 GMT -5
They could still run that, they are choosing not too so far. Could be they are trying to get Smrek used to hitting on the pin, or maybe with the new setters they are getting the basics down before adding wrinkles. I hope Sheff can figure things out soon. Or I can see us losing the homecourt come tourney time. You're right, that loss to Maryland last year was devastating. And losing twice to a ranked Purdue. Just the worst.
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Post by nikkigsmith on Aug 29, 2022 19:15:50 GMT -5
Just based on what I’ve seen, it makes perfect sense why Sheffield opted for the 6-2 to start. If anything, Ashburn looks a little more comfortable, but not by a lot. The data from this last match against a good blocking team supports that, and maybe makes an even stronger case. But would she be a liability on the block relative to the bigger Hammill? Is the difference in setting big enough to offset any such liability were it there? In addition, neither setter is that comfortable using the middles yet. I don’t remember seeing too many slide sets. I can’t tell which I would use, and I’m not sure either of them is good enough to run a 5-1 well yet. It’s better in that scenario to keep as many hitting options on the floor while your setters develop - ie learn to read the block, develop deception and use the middle. The downside to huge 6-2 as a device for setter development is that they don’t block and can’t attack. I have a feeling they may ultimately shift to a 5-1. But I would like to see how the 6-2 develops. We are still early in the season. The passing is the problem. It might make sense to use a DS to stabilize it, since the BR attack threat isn’t being used much yet. But both Boyer and Shanel are out. I agree this is not the time to panic. It is best now to see what needs improving than later. I am sure if he does go 5-1 the setter will be or get comfortable. Give it time, the talent is there.
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Post by wisky547 on Aug 29, 2022 19:42:54 GMT -5
Who needs a setter anyways Yes. In my strange dreams Orzol is a setter/libero combo plus occasional OH if thats possible, ha. Basically a multi position playing volleyball savant. Then if that was real thing it would get Wrobel on the court with Franklin. I want volleyball to be like the NBA is now where you just put out your five best and go. I know its not practical but It just bugs me that Wrobel isnt going to play for this team until her senior year. Shes too good. Yes, I agree that I’d like to see more of Wrobel and was impressed with the limited play we saw from her against Baylor. With the current personnel, what is the plan to keep a seasoned, top recruit like her engaged? The positions she would be targeted for are occupied, barring unforeseen injuries/transfers, by teammates only one year ahead of her, so is she relegated to the bench until senior year? Would be a waste if so. 🤔
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Post by robtearle on Aug 29, 2022 20:41:32 GMT -5
Sheffield Press Conference released. Basically he is happy with the 6-2............ And Loberg will be commentating on Big Ten Network. @_@ - The number of people there asking questions was interesting; sometimes last year it was Sheffield and Punzel and that's about it. - If he's upset about the loss, it isn't showing. Joking, effectively. - Hart new PR on block touch height this morning. - Also, hints at UW-Marquette at AmFam Field next year. Sure, he didn't say that, but that's what he meant.
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Post by ndodge on Aug 29, 2022 20:46:42 GMT -5
Sheffield Press Conference released. Basically he is happy with the 6-2............ And Loberg will be commentating on Big Ten Network. @_@ - The number of people there asking questions was interesting; sometimes last year it was Sheffield and Punzel and that's about it. - If he's upset about the loss, it isn't showing. Joking, effectively. - Hart new PR on block touch height this morning. - Also, hints at UW-Marquette at AmFam Field next year. Sure, he didn't say that, but that's what he meant. Maybe he read my replies to his / uw-vb Kohl center tweet. Maybe. (about Am Fam field).
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Post by skinny on Aug 29, 2022 20:59:58 GMT -5
Smrek in the middle. Wrobel and Franklin as OH. Devyn in back. Orzol and GG just out there wherever, lol. This is the ideal lineup for winning the title again in the next couple years in my opinion. Orzol is my new setter in this attack. I am not well i know, lol. I will get crazy with a volleyball lineup, do not tempt me. This is why i cant coach. Kelly would be like, you serious Clark?
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Post by ndodge on Aug 29, 2022 21:45:34 GMT -5
Smrek in the middle. Wrobel and Franklin as OH. Devyn in back. Orzol and GG just out there wherever, lol. This is the ideal lineup for winning the title again in the next couple years in my opinion. Orzol is my new setter in this attack. I am not well i know, lol. I will get crazy with a volleyball lineup, do not tempt me. This is why i cant coach. Kelly would be like, you serious Clark? Orzol has good hands but CC was tasked to take second ball as backup setter after serving even though Orzol was back row, which was interesting. She got 3 assists, one less than GG. Re Orzol never setting - Watching Baylor libero dig a bomb from Orzol was almost worth my trip.
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Post by mad1 on Aug 30, 2022 11:34:34 GMT -5
Sheffield press conference
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