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Post by robtearle on Sept 2, 2022 11:58:21 GMT -5
Look back at the whole 'conversation'. Saw the whole conversation. Still disagree with qualifying a statement and then drawing comparisons on a false, qualified equivalency. Disagreement noted.
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Post by ndodge on Sept 2, 2022 11:59:45 GMT -5
I like how uwbadgers.com now has already featured volleyball match day as it's intro / splash screen multiple times. This used to only happen for (maybe) tournament games.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 2, 2022 12:02:46 GMT -5
You said it. 5-1 yield quicker return. And as good when everyone is back. Re the first claim: Sheffield's job isn't about the quick return. It's about the return at the end of the year. The 6-2 has a better chance of beating teams like Texas etc. Re The second claim: I said the 6-2 had a higher ceiling than the 5-1, and the 5-1 this year won't be as good as last year. Maybe sometime next year it would be, but that is a longer timeline.
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Post by ndodge on Sept 2, 2022 12:08:58 GMT -5
I know we're talking a lot about 6-2, but since we only have 2 setters on the roster (vs 3 or 4 like a lot of teams), who do we think the emergency setter would be if God forbid there was some kind of injury/illness combination to both of our setters? A crazy stupid idea would be, to stay in the 6-2 and have two DS's set if they were as good as any other option and thus improve back right D all the way around. I know that'd be kind of chaotic and unlikely unless they were actually decent setters. But anyway, who do we think would be the third choice? I thought it notable that CC took second ball (i.e., backup setter when she was in the back after serving) and had a few assists. I don't think she'd be the choice, just thought it was interesting because Orzol was back there.
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Post by pull3 on Sept 2, 2022 12:09:18 GMT -5
Ummm, not apples to apples. Franklin took ALL THE SWINGS for MSU; Loberg did not for UW. Take a look at Franklin playing a role more similar to Loberg's this year. I started this whole line of posts with "Yes, they were playing under different circumstances with different teammates around them, obviously..." Again, I think Franklin is likely a better left side hitter than Loberg was. But there was a post made with a distinct "trashing Loberg' element to it that I object to. I don't think the difference is as "big" as that post wanted to make it out to be. umm, I didn't trash Loberg. I read my post again, if it was that "and I don't want to talk about how much an upgrade Franklin is" that made you feel like it, I apologize. English is my 2nd language. And then I explicitly said I don't hate Loberg in the next post.
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Post by pull3 on Sept 2, 2022 12:15:59 GMT -5
This speaks my mind.
I look at the other way though. Shanel was a 2 years starter of a highly ranked Baylor teams. She should have the same skill set Barnes has. Not Barnes, but close. Gulce is way faster than Civita(Civita was hurt couldn't cover a large area), Civita has way better touch. Gulce can be a lot better by the end of the season.
Either way, I look at it as we are very close to having last year backcourt strength.
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Post by greatlakesvballer on Sept 2, 2022 12:21:22 GMT -5
I like how uwbadgers.com now has already featured volleyball match day as it's intro / splash screen multiple times. This used to only happen for (maybe) tournament games. It's true. They're getting more play from the athletic department. Stepped up coverage from Punzel and the State Journal, too. I don't know how he's going to keep pace with the amount of stories he's been turning out.
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Post by robtearle on Sept 2, 2022 12:27:05 GMT -5
I know we're talking a lot about 6-2, but since we only have 2 setters on the roster (vs 3 or 4 like a lot of teams), who do we think the emergency setter would be if God forbid there was some kind of injury/illness combination to both of our setters? A crazy stupid idea would be, to stay in the 6-2 and have two DS's set if they were as good as any other option and thus improve back right D all the way around. I know that'd be kind of chaotic and unlikely unless they were actually decent setters. But anyway, who do we think would be the third choice? I thought it notable that CC took second ball (i.e., backup setter when she was in the back after serving) and had a few assists. I don't think she'd be the choice, just thought it was interesting because Orzol was back there. I'd have to think it would be another version of a 6-2 with a couple of the DS players taking on the task: AnnaMac, Bramschreiber, Boyer, Reed, etc. Bramschreiber and Boyer somewhat used to taking second balls as libero, etc.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 2, 2022 12:55:20 GMT -5
Your thought of We won't be as good as last year is a mystery to me. We've 2 superb backcourts replacing Barnes and Civita. We've got Hart back. MJ is a junior who has been living under the shadow of Hilley. She was a national ranked 20ish recruit iirc. Everyone else got another year of experience, Smrek, Robinson, Demps, and Ozol. And Ozol is healthy again. And I don't want to talk about how much Franklin is an upgrade of Loberg. In shorts, 1) Our backcourt is as good as last year 2) Hart replacing Rettke, MJ replacing Hilley are a minus 3) Franklin replacing Loberg is a big plus 4) everyone else an extra year, a plus. The sum of this year is as good as if not better than last year. IMHO. But the longer we engage with the 6-2 I don't think they can revert to 5-1 four to six weeks from now and still make it that far. I don't see why not. Pittsburgh last year could shift in and out of the 6-2. The only real issue is the slide. They are going to mix in combo and crossing plays eventually into the 6-2 though. Remember, last year they incorporated Demps into the BR only in the match at Minnesota, which was pretty late. Smrek wasn't a fixture on the RS and an option attacking out of the middle until really the match in Lincoln.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 13:29:23 GMT -5
But the longer we engage with the 6-2 I don't think they can revert to 5-1 four to six weeks from now and still make it that far.[/quote]I don't see why not. Pittsburgh last year could shift in and out of the 6-2. The only real issue is the slide. They are going to mix in combo and crossing plays eventually into the 6-2 though.
Remember, last year they incorporated Demps into the BR only in the match at Minnesota, which was pretty late. Smrek wasn't a fixture on the RS and an option attacking out of the middle until really the match in Lincoln.[/quote]
Well those changes were under the umbrella of the same system, a 5-1.
Also the fact our team has a lot of youth is a big factor in my mind especially compared to 2021. Especially switching back to a 5-1 after spending significant time on the 6-2.
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Post by tablealgebra on Sept 2, 2022 15:55:28 GMT -5
But the longer we engage with the 6-2 I don't think they can revert to 5-1 four to six weeks from now and still make it that far. I don't see why not. Pittsburgh last year could shift in and out of the 6-2. The only real issue is the slide. They are going to mix in combo and crossing plays eventually into the 6-2 though. Remember, last year they incorporated Demps into the BR only in the match at Minnesota, which was pretty late. Smrek wasn't a fixture on the RS and an option attacking out of the middle until really the match in Lincoln. When was Pitt ever out of the 6-2? That being said, I think the switch from 6-2 to 5-1 is not that bad. Half the time you're in a 5-1, you're running basically the same stuff as a 6-2. The other three rotations with only two hitters up front have a few challenges, but the biggest is the slide. Our setters won't be starting from scratch, but will need repetitions; however, on the other end of things you have Hart who is an ace on the slide and DRob who is just fine. I'd go the other direction and say if one of the setters is playing clearly better four to six weeks from now, they will make it farther by switching to a 5-1 with that setter.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 2, 2022 16:17:52 GMT -5
I don't see why not. Pittsburgh last year could shift in and out of the 6-2. The only real issue is the slide. They are going to mix in combo and crossing plays eventually into the 6-2 though. Remember, last year they incorporated Demps into the BR only in the match at Minnesota, which was pretty late. Smrek wasn't a fixture on the RS and an option attacking out of the middle until really the match in Lincoln. When was Pitt ever out of the 6-2? That being said, I think the switch from 6-2 to 5-1 is not that bad. Half the time you're in a 5-1, you're running basically the same stuff as a 6-2. The other three rotations with only two hitters up front have a few challenges, but the biggest is the slide. Our setters won't be starting from scratch, but will need repetitions; however, on the other end of things you have Hart who is an ace on the slide and DRob who is just fine. I'd go the other direction and say if one of the setters is playing clearly better four to six weeks from now, they will make it farther by switching to a 5-1 with that setter. Several times I saw them switch during matches, when things weren't going well. One of the setters had a problem perhaps? and I think there was one where they stayed in the 5-1 for the whole match. I'll have to go find it.
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Post by badgerbreath on Sept 2, 2022 16:23:52 GMT -5
I don't see why not. Pittsburgh last year could shift in and out of the 6-2. The only real issue is the slide. They are going to mix in combo and crossing plays eventually into the 6-2 though. Remember, last year they incorporated Demps into the BR only in the match at Minnesota, which was pretty late. Smrek wasn't a fixture on the RS and an option attacking out of the middle until really the match in Lincoln. I'd go the other direction and say if one of the setters is playing clearly better four to six weeks from now, they will make it farther by switching to a 5-1 with that setter. I think that if Hammill really starts excelling over Ashburn, that they might shift to a 5-1. So far, Ashburn has looked cleaner, but given the size she gives up on the block, I'm guessing it will be hard for her to take over in the 5-1. Could be wrong. I think connection on the slide is a real issue. We've seen periods during which Hilley's connections with slide hitters haven't been great. I'm interested to see what they try tonight.
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Post by skinny on Sept 2, 2022 18:20:40 GMT -5
Anybody watching Jardine playing on the Big Ten Network? Shes gonna be a big star at Utah.
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Post by nuclearbdgr on Sept 2, 2022 18:53:30 GMT -5
I just wish there was a way where WI could get Franklin, Orzol, Wrobel, Smrek, Devyn and either GG or Shanel when she comes back, out on the court at the same time. The 6-0 offense?
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