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Post by savannahbadger on Sept 27, 2022 7:51:53 GMT -5
that .356% that Minnesota hit last night says something a little more different about Wisconsin "outpassing them by a mile" meanwhile you had landfair hitting near .400 and Wucherer at .333 You can outpass them while they can hit some crazy isht from the 10' line time and time again that they might not be able to sustainably do if we played 10 matches against them. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive. Shaff was off the net a good bit of the match, where we wanted her to be to ideally have success against their hitters. It just wasn't our night. Wookie was probably super amped up to show that she should have been playing at Wisconsin, and played like she had a chip on her shoulder over not getting offered. I'm not sure where she'd fit on this team as a freshman if she was offered, other than maybe Franklin doesn't come in and/or they don't offer Wrobel (or Jardine the year before), so there's that. |
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Post by ndodge on Sept 27, 2022 9:07:55 GMT -5
that .356% that Minnesota hit last night says something a little more different about Wisconsin "outpassing them by a mile" meanwhile you had landfair hitting near .400 and Wucherer at .333 You can outpass them while they can hit some crazy isht from the 10' line time and time again that they might not be able to sustainably do if we played 10 matches against them. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive. Shaff was off the net a good bit of the match, where we wanted her to be to ideally have success against their hitters. It just wasn't our night. Wookie was probably super amped up to show that she should have been playing at Wisconsin, and played like she had a chip on her shoulder over not getting offered. I'm not sure where she'd fit on this team as a freshman if she was offered, other than maybe Franklin doesn't come in and/or they don't offer Wrobel (or Jardine the year before), so there's that. Sheffield should have offered in seventh grade to beat the eighth grade offer ?  Hugh bet right on that one |
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Post by badgersinsix on Sept 27, 2022 9:08:33 GMT -5
- Shaffmaster played the best I've ever seen her play (my partner asked me who I would name MVP of the match, and my first response was Shaffmaster followed closely by Landfair).
- Our free ball offense was unacceptable, and it seemed the primary reason was setting decisions and placement. When CC sailed the thirty-one long, she had no block in front of her, basically had her head above the net and could see all the open court she had, but the placement of the set looked off. It seems to be a consistent issue with setting the middles and maybe the setters aren't confident going there and that's why we're not seeing as many sets to the middles as we should.
- Along the same vein, there was a point late in the third set where Izzy set Franklin maybe 6 times in a row and I involuntarily yelled "set someone else!" right before Franklin did end up barely getting a kill on a tip.
- Passing killed us. I trust that will get better, both because I trust our coaching staff and players to develop and improve in that area and because of Bramschreiber becoming eligible soon.
- Blocking killed us. We'll have some bad blocking matches. We've shown we're a very good blocking team so not too concerned there.
- Serving errors. Yes, of course. MJ honestly tried to lollipop her last serve in... and missed wide. When we could have gone up 22-17. That, along with other missed serves, hurt.
- The entire bench screaming at Kelly to challenge and him finally doing so at the last second was hilarious to watch/hear in person and almost ended up winning us the third set. It seemed like a huge momentum and morale boost to win that challenge.
- It felt like we were pretty well in command at the tv timeout in the first set. We let up a run right out of that timeout and then another one in the 20s. Save those runs, we win that set. We end do that and/or pull out that third set, it's a different match. Maybe not a different result, but definitely a different feel.
- Credit to Minnesota. They played incredibly well and earned the win. They also have a great facility and put on a good event that I'm glad to have experienced for the first time.
- I look forward to being there when we host the Gophers and hope we turn the tables.
- I'm excited to see how this team develops, how well we do in the B1G, and how far we make it in the tournament.
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Post by jackolantern on Sept 27, 2022 10:53:55 GMT -5
Every time Smrek makes a good play, Sheffield takes her out of the game. She can never develop a rhythm. We all saw last season that she has the ability to dominate. Does anyone know why she's not getting the minutes this season? Well, if "makes a good play" means it ended the point and UW was in serve-receive, there's a one in three chance that Smrek comes out as part of the normal rotation-substitution pattern, and it would have nothing to do with the 'good' or 'bad' of the point. Sheffield has also on occasion - when it's late in sets and he has enough subs on the sub count limit - made Demps-for-Smrek substitutions for an 'offense/defense' advantage. I can't imagine there has been a straight-up 'Smrek gets the kill' and is immediately replaced without it having to do with the rotation, but if you can point to one, I'd be interested in digging up the video and having a look. You're right, it's undoubtedly part of the normal rotation-substitution pattern, but that's my real point. The normal pattern involves Smrek standing on the sidelines too much so she's never able to get a rhythm going. |
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Post by robtearle on Sept 27, 2022 10:59:17 GMT -5
Well, if "makes a good play" means it ended the point and UW was in serve-receive, there's a one in three chance that Smrek comes out as part of the normal rotation-substitution pattern, and it would have nothing to do with the 'good' or 'bad' of the point. Sheffield has also on occasion - when it's late in sets and he has enough subs on the sub count limit - made Demps-for-Smrek substitutions for an 'offense/defense' advantage. I can't imagine there has been a straight-up 'Smrek gets the kill' and is immediately replaced without it having to do with the rotation, but if you can point to one, I'd be interested in digging up the video and having a look. You're right, it's undoubtedly part of the normal rotation-substitution pattern, but that's my real point. The normal pattern involves Smrek standing on the sidelines too much so she's never able to get a rhythm going. So, do you want Smrek playing backrow? Or would you like the basic rules of volleyball changed for her? SMH... |
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Post by ndodge on Sept 27, 2022 14:58:06 GMT -5
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Post by tablealgebra on Sept 27, 2022 15:26:58 GMT -5
You're right, it's undoubtedly part of the normal rotation-substitution pattern, but that's my real point. The normal pattern involves Smrek standing on the sidelines too much so she's never able to get a rhythm going. So, do you want Smrek playing backrow? Or would you like the basic rules of volleyball changed for her? SMH... I don't think Smrek will ever play backrow for this team. So she's always going to be in three rotations, out three rotations. Perhaps a bigger issue is that (and I'm kind of extrapolating some things here) she is not as comfortable in rotation 1 (or 4, those being the two rotations she'd come in on). I'd say in general that for this Badger team, many of the players look like there are specific hitting routes that they aren't comfortable running. Smrek only really looks comfortable hitting quicks, Orzol only looks comfortable on the left pin, CC doesn't look comfortable running slides. On the other hand, Franklin looks comfortable on either pin (and hits from the right on the serve receive rotation where she starts front right), Jade looks comfortable on either pin and of course on that C ball from the back row, and both Devyn and Danielle looks comfortable running both slides and quicks (though Hart looks better on the slide I think). But the point is, in rotation 1 (or 4) when Smrek is front left, if she's not comfortable hitting on the left, they are going to have struggles, because that puts you in a situation where your middle and right are stacked on the left side and they have to come across the setter and hit a quick (middle) and slide, and unless you get a good pass neither of those are happening and you're going left pin, meaning she never gets kills in that rotation. (for that matter I've never seen Devyn hit from the left pin either, that would be a nice tool for her if she stays at opposite) Couple that with the fact that we almost never set middle in trans and that's the only route Smrek looks good on right now, and you have a situation where her only kills are going to be in serve receive in rotations 2 and 3, which is not an awful lot of action ... not to mention, that after rotation 3 in serve receive, she's going to be rotating out explaining OP's observation. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2022 16:37:18 GMT -5
- Shaffmaster played the best I've ever seen her play (my partner asked me who I would name MVP of the match, and my first response was Shaffmaster followed closely by Landfair). - Our free ball offense was unacceptable, and it seemed the primary reason was setting decisions and placement. When CC sailed the thirty-one long, she had no block in front of her, basically had her head above the net and could see all the open court she had, but the placement of the set looked off. It seems to be a consistent issue with setting the middles and maybe the setters aren't confident going there and that's why we're not seeing as many sets to the middles as we should. - Along the same vein, there was a point late in the third set where Izzy set Franklin maybe 6 times in a row and I involuntarily yelled "set someone else!" right before Franklin did end up barely getting a kill on a tip. - Passing killed us. I trust that will get better, both because I trust our coaching staff and players to develop and improve in that area and because of Bramschreiber becoming eligible soon. - Blocking killed us. We'll have some bad blocking matches. We've shown we're a very good blocking team so not too concerned there. - Serving errors. Yes, of course. MJ honestly tried to lollipop her last serve in... and missed wide. When we could have gone up 22-17. That, along with other missed serves, hurt. - The entire bench screaming at Kelly to challenge and him finally doing so at the last second was hilarious to watch/hear in person and almost ended up winning us the third set. It seemed like a huge momentum and morale boost to win that challenge. - It felt like we were pretty well in command at the tv timeout in the first set. We let up a run right out of that timeout and then another one in the 20s. Save those runs, we win that set. We end do that and/or pull out that third set, it's a different match. Maybe not a different result, but definitely a different feel. - Credit to Minnesota. They played incredibly well and earned the win. They also have a great facility and put on a good event that I'm glad to have experienced for the first time. - I look forward to being there when we host the Gophers and hope we turn the tables. - I'm excited to see how this team develops, how well we do in the B1G, and how far we make it in the tournament. I am hopeful but not enthusiastic about the development of this years squad. I just don't think this setting duo has the chops to play Big Ten championship caliber play. I too will be in the stands for the Minnesota match. Hoping for sweet revenge. |
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Post by Wiswell on Sept 27, 2022 19:19:09 GMT -5
Here's a question:
Badgers are 7-3. Have they beaten anybody good? Kentucky isn't looking like much.
Pretty sure the answer is no.
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Post by tudbud on Sept 27, 2022 19:42:37 GMT -5
Here's a question: Badgers are 7-3. Have they beaten anybody good? Kentucky isn't looking like much. Pretty sure the answer is no. Who in the country has been perfect tho? Besides undefeated Texas. 😕 |
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Post by Del Bocavista on Sept 27, 2022 19:44:37 GMT -5
They are what they are right now, 12-20 probably. Look at it another way, despite all their problems, if they make just a few more plays, they win both 5 set losses, and if they make a few more plays, they are up 2-1 at Minnesota. There's a heck of a lot of room for improvement, but ultimately if they can play cleaner volleyball at the end of close sets they'll be fine. If they don't get better....well lets just say this is a huge weekend coming. Two home wins they need which will not be easy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2022 19:55:58 GMT -5
They are what they are right now, 12-20 probably. Look at it another way, despite all their problems, if they make just a few more plays, they win both 5 set losses, and if they make a few more plays, they are up 2-1 at Minnesota. There's a heck of a lot of room for improvement, but ultimately if they can play cleaner volleyball at the end of close sets they'll be fine. If they don't get better....well lets just say this is a huge weekend coming. Two home wins they need which will not be easy. Minnesota played poorly in that first set and the Badgers never felt like they were stable enough to take command. There also is the tendency to fade at end of tight sets against top competition. |
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Post by spicycheesebread on Sept 27, 2022 21:14:06 GMT -5
Three things have stood out as concerning patterns in September:
* teams are exploiting the back row gap between Franklin/GG, and poor first ball contact seems to occur most often here. I am not confident there's a quick solution here, as Jade's back row passing has also been suspect (look no further than the Florida match). Just counting the matches until Bram is eligible.
* service pressure has dropped considerably since the Kentucky match. Izzy in particular has really slumped (3 aces, 13 errors) since Kentucky.
* 10 matches into the season, and Izzy/MJ still don't look like they have the timing with their mids. Quick middle attacks are seldom. Feels like Izzy/MJ are more trusting of their pins and elite defenses are picking up on their honesty.
It feels like 2017 all over again for Wisc. That year, the Badgers looked good early vs non-conference opponents, then lost 7 out of 9 matches to ranked B1G teams. That 2017 squad just could not close out matches (a lot of 5-set losses) and lacked the toughness/experience to ride the storm when opponents went on scoring runs. Service errors at ill-timed moments near the end of sets. Building that toughness and fortitude takes longer than a season. Like 2017, I'm going to consider an Elite 8 appearance and a .550 record a success. Hoping the tides change when October rolls around, but the conference parity is fierce this year and that road schedule to end the regular season just looks nasty.
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Post by spicycheesebread on Sept 27, 2022 21:39:47 GMT -5
They are what they are right now, 12-20 probably. Look at it another way, despite all their problems, if they make just a few more plays, they win both 5 set losses, and if they make a few more plays, they are up 2-1 at Minnesota. There's a heck of a lot of room for improvement, but ultimately if they can play cleaner volleyball at the end of close sets they'll be fine. If they don't get better....well lets just say this is a huge weekend coming. Two home wins they need which will not be easy. The service game has surprisingly been the Achilles Heel this month. Watching the Badgers squander a 21-17 3rd set lead vs Minnie, all initiated by one of the worst serves I've seen all season, was very painful to watch. Izzy has all but disappeared behind the service line in the month of September. A big weekend coming indeed. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2022 21:54:50 GMT -5
They are what they are right now, 12-20 probably. Look at it another way, despite all their problems, if they make just a few more plays, they win both 5 set losses, and if they make a few more plays, they are up 2-1 at Minnesota. There's a heck of a lot of room for improvement, but ultimately if they can play cleaner volleyball at the end of close sets they'll be fine. If they don't get better....well lets just say this is a huge weekend coming. Two home wins they need which will not be easy. The service game has surprisingly been the Achilles Heel this month. Watching the Badgers squander a 21-17 3rd set lead vs Minnie, all initiated by one of the worst serves I've seen all season, was very painful to watch. Izzy has all but disappeared behind the service line in the month of September. A big weekend coming indeed. Disagree about Izzy. She is still for the most part getting in well placed serves which put pressure on defense. She's not getting the aces like she used to and maybe hit a few long but 'all but disappeared'? I don't see that. |
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Hugh bet right on that one 
