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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 8, 2022 22:20:50 GMT -5
I think UofA got snubbed just a bit. Yes I’m a little biased, but I don’t see how they are behind Utah, CU and ASU. Az has 6 starters returning and if they click at the same time, they can can cause trouble for a lot of teams. I've been following NCAA WVB for a loooonnngg time (after playing through high school myself (boys)). Since joining VT, I see this same argument every preseason: "we have nearly everybody returning...on any good night, if our team 'clicks', we can beat anyone". Well.... Yeah. But if your team's history is as desultory as Rubio's has been for a number of years, why would the same players do much better if they all return after a 17-16; 8-12 season? Now with your 2024 recruit, Carlie Cisneros, you have real hope! ETA: I looked up Coach Dave and the UA program's season records....2021: 17-16, 8-12; 2020: 10-11, 10-11; 2019: 15-17, 5-15; 2018: 22-11, 11-9; 2017: 11-18, 5-15; 2016: 20-15, 10-10; 2015: 19-14, 9-11. Sooooo, out of seven total campaigns, there is *one* season with a winning conference record; four with a winning overall record (OOC + Pac-12). Those teams had many groups of players return, too. |
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Post by rainbowsets on Aug 8, 2022 23:31:22 GMT -5
I find it difficult to believe Washington will win the conference. They don’t have Dreschel to bail them out. Hoffman was their leading scorer, and led in kps and hitting percentage. with a libero that has a year under her belt, a senior class that has played every match together, a euro trip this summer, three returning AA, it's not that hard to imagine a threepeat. stanford starters have yet to win against washington, though there have been close calls. what's making it a weird season is we are not sure what a pukis-nuneviller nor a tuaniga-fields connection is going to look like. those might be some scary connections. |
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Post by westcoastbestcoast on Aug 8, 2022 23:53:34 GMT -5
I hope WSU is looking for a high impact transfer OH/MB. I think with another strong piece they could also be in the conversation for the Pac-12 title. Maybe not the favorite, but a potential dark horse? Jehlarova, Timmer, and Ryan is a pretty good trio of hitters for Ung to work with. Wouldn’t call them a dark horse as the only PAC team to finish in the top five consistently for the last 4 years. They have solid transfers this year and experience in the gym. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Aug 9, 2022 0:26:20 GMT -5
I find it difficult to believe Washington will win the conference. They don’t have Dreschel to bail them out. Last year option 1 was Dreschel, option 2 Hoffman. This year option 1 Hoffman, option 2 by committee (Endsley, Bush, Crenshaw and Wilmes) or one asserts herself and becomes #2 and UW excels again. Otherwise Washington finishes at #3. 1. Hoffman 405k/964ta .306 (4) 2. Drechsel 404k/933ta .304 (5) 3. Grote 249k/480ta .414 (2) 4. Bush 166k/495ta .147 5. Endsley 149k/390ta .195 6. Sanders 95k/237ta .228 7. Powell 66k/177ta .271 8. Summers 56k/94ta .489 (1) 9. Crenshaw 46k/110ta .309 (3) |
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 9, 2022 0:27:30 GMT -5
I hope WSU is looking for a high impact transfer OH/MB. I think with another strong piece they could also be in the conversation for the Pac-12 title. Maybe not the favorite, but a potential dark horse? Jehlarova, Timmer, and Ryan is a pretty good trio of hitters for Ung to work with. Wouldn’t call them a dark horse as the only PAC team to finish in the top five consistently for the last 4 years. They have solid transfers this year and experience in the gym. LOL that seemed oddly specific, so I checked. Washington has been either #1 or #2 every year since 2013 *except* 2018 when they were 6th (in a tie). So it kind of seems like a bit of a cherry-pick to specify "the only team in the top-5" for the last four years. Perhaps interestingly, Washington has been in the top 5 of the conference every year since 2002 except that one time when they were sixth in 2018. Of course, Stanford has been in the top 4 (and usually in the top 2) every year since 1986 except for that one COVID season. WSU has a while to go before they establish themselves as a consistent power in the conference, although yes, they have been strong in the past four years. Highest conference finish: 1: Stanford(19), UCLA(7), Washington(7), USC(5), Arizona(1), Cal(1) 2: Oregon(3), WSU(2), ASU(1) 3: Utah(3), OSU(1) 4: Colorado(1) |
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 9, 2022 0:58:19 GMT -5
ps. One might also name "the last four years" as "the Pukis years" at WSU. With no Pukis, how will they do? I'll be interested to find out.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Aug 9, 2022 1:23:37 GMT -5
I find it difficult to believe Washington will win the conference. They don’t have Dreschel to bail them out. Uhhh, past eight seasons in the PAC and NCAAs...2014: Stanford 19-1 (1st)/ Final Four; Washington 18-2 (2nd)/ 3rd Round L 2015: SU 16-4 (3rd)/ 2nd R. L; UW 18-2 (T-1st)/ 4th R. L 2016: SU 15-5 (T-2nd)/ National champs; UW 16-4 (1st)/ 4th R. L 2017: SU 19-1 (1st)/ Final Four; UW 14-6 (T-2nd)/ 2nd R. L 2018: SU 20-0 (1st)/ National champs; UW 10-10 (T-6th)/ 3rd R. L 2019: SU 18-2 (1st)/ National champs; UW 15-5 (2nd)/ 4th R. L 2020* (Covid-19 disaster): SU 2-8 (*11th); UW 17-3 (*1st)/ *Final Four2021: SU 13-7 (T-4th)/ 2nd R. L; UW 17-3 (1st)/ 3rd R. L Okay...including the *2020 "season" (in which Stanford could not even practice except on outdoor tennis courts), here is the sum total SU v. UDub; Stanford: 3 national titles, 4 Pac12 titles, 2 other FFs, two 2nd round losses, no Covid tourney. Washington: one Final Four, 3 outright P-12 titles/1 shared, three 4th round defeats, three 3rd round losses, one 2nd round loss. Obviously the two best programs But aside from the 2020 Covid fiasco and its immediate aftermath...this past season...SU trumps UW. So when one beats one's chest re: somebody never beating someone else? History proves otherwise! |
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 9, 2022 1:39:37 GMT -5
stanford starters have yet to win against washington Uhhh, past eight seasons in the PAC and NCAAs...2014: Stanford 19-1 (1st)/ Final Four; Washington 18-2 (2nd)/ 3rd Round L 2015: SU 16-4 (3rd)/ 2nd R. L; UW 18-2 (T-1st)/ 4th R. L 2016: SU 15-5 (T-2nd)/ National champs; UW 16-4 (1st)/ 4th R. L 2017: SU 19-1 (1st)/ Final Four; UW 14-6 (T-2nd)/ 2nd R. L 2018: SU 20-0 (1st)/ National champs; UW 10-10 (T-6th)/ 3rd R. L 2019: SU 18-2 (1st)/ National champs; UW 15-5 (2nd)/ 4th R. L 2020* (Covid-19 disaster): SU 2-8 (*11th); UW 17-3 (*1st)/ *Final Four2021: SU 13-7 (T-4th)/ 2nd R. L; UW 17-3 (1st)/ 3rd R. L Okay...including the *2020 "season" (in which Stanford could not even practice except on outdoor tennis courts), here is the sum total SU v. UDub; Stanford: 3 national titles, 4 Pac12 titles, 2 other FFs, two 2nd round losses, no Covid tourney. Washington: one Final Four, 3 outright P-12 titles/1 shared, three 4th round defeats, three 3rd round losses, one 2nd round loss. Obviously the two best programs But aside from the 2020 Covid fiasco and its immediate aftermath...this past season...SU trumps UW. So when one beats one's chest re: somebody never beating someone else? History proves otherwise! I am pretty sure the point was that the CURRENT Stanford starters have not experienced a win against Washington. The last time Stanford beat Washington was Nov 18, 2018. Washington was 1-0 v. Stanford in 2019, 2-0 in 2020, and 2-0 in 2021. And yes, before you freak out, of course I know that Plummer was playing with an injury in 2019, 2020 Stanford was hobbled by COVID, and 2021 ... well, OK, in 2021 there wasn't much of a way to handwave the results. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 9, 2022 1:56:20 GMT -5
I am pretty sure the point was that the CURRENT Stanford starters have not experienced a win against Washington. The last time Stanford beat Washington was Nov 18, 2018. Washington was 1-0 v. Stanford in 2019, 2-0 in 2020, and 2-0 in 2021. And yes, before you freak out, of course I know that Plummer was playing with an injury in 2019, 2020 Stanford was hobbled by COVID, and 2021 ... well, OK, in 2021 there wasn't much of a way to handwave the results. (Wrong) Kipp says "hi"! Yeah, OK. I didn't make the original claim. I was just explaining what it seemed like the other poster was referring to. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 9, 2022 2:07:26 GMT -5
Yeah, OK. I didn't make the original claim. I was just explaining what it seemed like the other poster was referring to. It's not even wrong. Kipp was class of 2019. |
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 9, 2022 2:38:56 GMT -5
what are you guys even arguing about.
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 9, 2022 3:29:14 GMT -5
Yeah, OK. I didn't make the original claim. I was just explaining what it seemed like the other poster was referring to. It's not even wrong. Kipp was class of 2019. Ok, even better. There was no way I was invested enough in this to look up Stanford's current roster. I just knew a bunch of stuff about 2014 or whatever was completely irrelevant to the post in question. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 9, 2022 3:30:36 GMT -5
what are you guys even arguing about. The usual. Somebody says something that somebody else takes as a dis on their favorite school and yada yada. |
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Post by blue-footedbooby on Aug 9, 2022 7:19:44 GMT -5
Last year option 1 was Dreschel, option 2 Hoffman. This year option 1 Hoffman, option 2 by committee (Endsley, Bush, Crenshaw and Wilmes) or one asserts herself and becomes #2 and UW excels again. Otherwise Washington finishes at #3. 1. Hoffman 405k/964ta .306 (4) 2. Drechsel 404k/933ta .304 (5) 3. Grote 249k/480ta .414 (2) 4. Bush 166k/495ta .147 5. Endsley 149k/390ta .195 6. Sanders 95k/237ta .228 7. Powell 66k/177ta .271 8. Summers 56k/94ta .489 (1) 9. Crenshaw 46k/110ta .309 (3) I'm not sure why you posted this. Last years #1 was Hoffman by a hair but does it matter; Hoffman will still most likely be option #1 this year. Also, I was focusing on pins and rotational replacement for Drechsel. Not to say I haven't pondered Grote becoming the #2 option but a Rettke she is not. I suppose she could, to a degree, soak up some of Drechsels 404 kills in addition to her own 249 from prior year. I'm guessing UW will still need 300+ kills soaked up by the "committee" or an individual pin in order for the UW to win pac. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. (Of course numbers are based on last years sets played and yester years defenses and etc, and only looking at kill production) |
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Post by rightsideonly on Aug 9, 2022 7:53:41 GMT -5
SAN FRANCISCO – Defending Pac-12 champion Washington has been voted by the Conference’s women’s volleyball head coaches as the league’s preseason favorite for the upcoming 2022 campaign.
The Huskies, which have claimed the Pac-12 title in back-to-back seasons, garnered eight first-place votes and tallied 117 points to take the top spot in the annual coaches poll. Stanford finished second with 107 points and two first-place votes, followed by UCLA (98 points) and Oregon (93 points), which both picked up one first-place vote.
It’s the fifth time that Washington has led the Conference’s preseason rankings. The Huskies were previously voted to the top spot in 2021, 2017, 2009 and 2005. The preseason favorite has gone on to win the league title 21 times in the 36 years of Pac-12 women’s volleyball, including UW last season and in the Huskies' national championship season of 2005.
USC totaled 87 points and Washington State reeled in 68 points to round out the top half of the rankings. Utah finished seventh (50 points), Arizona State eighth (49 points), Colorado ninth (46), Arizona 10th (45 points), Oregon State 11th (20 points) and California 12th (12 points).
In addition to the annual coaches poll, the Pac-12 revealed the results of the Preseason All-Conference Team, which was also voted on by the league’s coaches.
Returning second-team AVCA All-Americans Caitie Baird (Stanford), Marin Grote (Washington), Kendall Kipp (Stanford) and Brooke Nuneviller (Oregon) headline the 15-player list.
Four AVCA All-America third teamers from a season ago are also on the preseason all-conference team for 2022 in USC's incoming transfer Skylar Fields, Washington’s Claire Hoffman and Ella May Powell, and Washington State's Magda Jehlarova. Powell is the two-time defending Pac-12 Setter of the Year.
Also on the list is Stanford's Kami Miner, the 2021 Pac-12 Freshman of the Year.
Stanford and Washington each have three players on the team, which is tied for the most in the league.
The regular season begins on Friday, Aug. 26, with all 12 Conference teams in action. The league's teams will be featured 106 times this season across Pac-12 Networks and Pac-12 Insider, which is available on Pac-12.com and the Pac-12 Now app, as well as eight partner platforms, including Local Now, Redbox, Samsung TV Plus, Sling, Sportstribal, The Roku Channel, Vizio and Xumo.
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