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Post by vollectator on Apr 8, 2022 16:38:45 GMT -5
So who are the 10? Just curious I’d like to know too. i'd argue that, at the very least, every member of the all-american first and second teams is AT the level of those three, given that the 2nd team was what Kipp and Baird had achieved. that's of course an oversimplied way to address your question. i'm reluctant to get into that discussion, however, because (1) it's very subjective and (2) it's not at all my intention to argue against those three's talent or their many achievements (nor for that matter coach Hambly's). again, it's how or where you draw the line for being exceptional. it may be the top5, top 10 or top 30 players in every season, but i was talking about players like Plummer, Tom and Walsh. there was a context within which i drew the line that high, and you guys might have taken it the wrong way. |
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Post by ay2013 on Apr 8, 2022 17:58:06 GMT -5
i'd argue that, at the very least, every member of the all-american first and second teams is AT the level of those three, given that the 2nd team was what Kipp and Baird had achieved. that's of course an oversimplied way to address your question. i'm reluctant to get into that discussion, however, because (1) it's very subjective and (2) it's not at all my intention to argue against those three's talent or their many achievements (nor for that matter coach Hambly's). again, it's how or where you draw the line for being exceptional. it may be the top5, top 10 or top 30 players in every season, but i was talking about players like Plummer, Tom and Walsh. there was a context within which i drew the line that high, and you guys might have taken it the wrong way. Well last year, excluding Baird and Kipp, 13 of the 1st and 2nd team players were pin hitters. Of those 13, only 4 are returning next year, so that still leaves at least 6 pins to identify as better than Kipp and Baird. |
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Post by Disc808 on Apr 8, 2022 18:02:29 GMT -5
i'd argue that, at the very least, every member of the all-american first and second teams is AT the level of those three, given that the 2nd team was what Kipp and Baird had achieved. that's of course an oversimplied way to address your question. i'm reluctant to get into that discussion, however, because (1) it's very subjective and (2) it's not at all my intention to argue against those three's talent or their many achievements (nor for that matter coach Hambly's). again, it's how or where you draw the line for being exceptional. it may be the top5, top 10 or top 30 players in every season, but i was talking about players like Plummer, Tom and Walsh. there was a context within which i drew the line that high, and you guys might have taken it the wrong way. Comparing them to talents like that is definitely a high standard... but which other teams have those types of players next year? Baird, Kipp, and Miner are elite. |
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Post by vbfamily on May 15, 2022 8:30:22 GMT -5
Someone in the UCLA thread posted the LA schools only play the Washingtons once.
NorCal schools also play the Oregons once, so that means the Arizonas only play the Mountains once this year.
This could have big implications on the PAC-12 title.
TBD…
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Post by USC✌🏼 on Jun 15, 2022 23:30:18 GMT -5
Does anyone know when the Pac-12 will release their schedule ?
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Post by JJVb on Jun 16, 2022 2:56:26 GMT -5
Does anyone know when the Pac-12 will release their schedule ? Last year it was 6/30 |
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Post by JJVb on Jun 16, 2022 19:40:46 GMT -5
PAC 12 schedules starting to roll in for Stanford, Ducks, CAL, WSU, USC, ASU, and COL so far.
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Post by ay2013 on Jun 26, 2022 17:34:24 GMT -5
Non-Conference Record Predictions:
Arizona:
ASU: 9-3
Cal: 8-2
Colorado: 7-3
Oregon: 7-1
OSU:
Stanford: 6-2
UCLA:
USC:
Utah: 6-5
Washington: 10-0
WSU
So far, the only real “issue” with overall non-conference win/loss is that Utah has scheduled too strong given their returning personnel. Per usual, Washington could have done better to give the conference a boost in the opponent-opponent record, but whatever.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 26, 2022 17:38:27 GMT -5
Non-Conference Record Predictions: Arizona: ASU: 9-3 Cal: 8-2 Colorado: 7-3 Oregon: 7-1 OSU: Stanford: 6-2 UCLA: USC: Utah: 6-5 Washington: 10-0 WSU So far, the only real “issue” with overall non-conference win/loss is that Utah has scheduled too strong given their returning personnel. Per usual, Washington could have done better to give the conference a boost in the opponent-opponent record, but whatever. Is Oregon St. gonna screw everyone else over again? CU will probably over perform that. Their record against CSU and Illinois (the toughest teams on the schedule) is pretty good historically. |
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Post by ay2013 on Jun 26, 2022 17:40:10 GMT -5
Non-Conference Record Predictions: Arizona: ASU: 9-3 Cal: 8-2 Colorado: 7-3 Oregon: 7-1 OSU: Stanford: 6-2 UCLA: USC: Utah: 6-5 Washington: 10-0 WSU So far, the only real “issue” with overall non-conference win/loss is that Utah has scheduled too strong given their returning personnel. Per usual, Washington could have done better to give the conference a boost in the opponent-opponent record, but whatever. Is Oregon St. gonna screw everyone else over again? CU will probably over perform that. Their record against CSU and Illinois (the toughest teams on the schedule) is pretty good historically. Ugh, right. Please god let OSU schedule very weak. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jun 26, 2022 17:47:01 GMT -5
Non-Conference Record Predictions: Arizona: ASU: 9-3 Cal: 8-2 Colorado: 7-3 Oregon: 7-1 OSU: Stanford: 6-2 UCLA: USC: Utah: 6-5 Washington: 10-0 WSU So far, the only real “issue” with overall non-conference win/loss is that Utah has scheduled too strong given their returning personnel. Per usual, Washington could have done better to give the conference a boost in the opponent-opponent record, but whatever. Is Oregon St. gonna screw everyone else over again? They have Long Beach, Portland St, Alabama, Houston, C Arkansas, Utah St, North Texas, Portland, LSU, Tulane more or at least as many winnable matches as last year (2)? |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 26, 2022 17:50:26 GMT -5
Is Oregon St. gonna screw everyone else over again? They have Long Beach, Portland St, Alabama, Houston, C Arkansas, Utah St, North Texas, Portland, LSU, Tulane more or at least as many winnable matches as last year (2)? I could see 7-3 / 8-2 on that. Good enough. A bunch of programs with new coaches so maybe hard to predict. |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jun 26, 2022 17:59:04 GMT -5
They have Long Beach, Portland St, Alabama, Houston, C Arkansas, Utah St, North Texas, Portland, LSU, Tulane more or at least as many winnable matches as last year (2)? I could see 7-3 / 8-2 on that. Good enough. A bunch of programs with new coaches so maybe hard to predict. I think its fair to say the only "for sure" loss should be Houston. Portland St and Utah St were decent last year, but they're losing a couple key players. Central Arkansas and Portland should be wins. Maybe Bama too? I dont remember who they have/lost. Tulane lost a few players to Iowa... I dont remember who they hired. The rest are gonna be messy/unpredictable. |
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jun 26, 2022 18:03:59 GMT -5
I could see 7-3 / 8-2 on that. Good enough. A bunch of programs with new coaches so maybe hard to predict. I think its fair to say the only "for sure" loss should be Houston. Portland St and Utah St were decent last year, but they're losing a couple key players. Central Arkansas and Portland should be wins. Maybe Bama too? I dont remember who they have/lost. Tulane lost a few players to Iowa... I dont remember who they hired. The rest are gonna be messy/unpredictable. OSU made a HUGE upgrade at setter and has a couple more foreigners coming in - it's always a bit of a wild card how good those will be IMO. Gives them a pretty big range, but their floor should be higher with stability on the second contact. Should more than make up for the loss of Massey. |
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Post by bbg95 on Jun 26, 2022 18:58:24 GMT -5
Non-Conference Record Predictions: Arizona: ASU: 9-3 Cal: 8-2 Colorado: 7-3 Oregon: 7-1 OSU: Stanford: 6-2 UCLA: USC: Utah: 6-5 Washington: 10-0 WSU So far, the only real “issue” with overall non-conference win/loss is that Utah has scheduled too strong given their returning personnel. Per usual, Washington could have done better to give the conference a boost in the opponent-opponent record, but whatever. I hadn't seen Utah's schedule yet. Honestly, it doesn't look that imposing. Some good teams for sure, but it's not exactly the schedule that Ohio State lined up. LMU, Kansas, UVU, Milwaukee, Purdue, Bradley, SMU, Connecticut, San Diego, BYU, Utah State. Obviously, Utah lost Drews and some other players, but I think if their goal is to challenge their current team without damaging their confidence by losing a ton of matches, this seems fine. |
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